Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
28.2.2006, 19:39:15, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> ewarn "This ebuild overrides the default SLOT behaviour for >> webapps" ewarn "If this package installs files into the htdocs dir, this >> is" ewarn "probably a bug in the ebuild." >> >> Sigh... what kind of QA issue is that? > which part dont you

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:27:01 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Once again, don't invent problems, please. Just because you don't see a problem doesn't mean it's not there. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jakub Moc schrieb: | 28.2.2006, 18:38:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | No, I won't claim that... I'd rather love to know why didn't you point out | to an obvious eclass flaw about 30 emails and many hours ago, saving us from | all the eclass formating, s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Stephen P. Becker
>> which part dont you understand ? the user sets a variable and then is told >> that the package probably contains a bug ... seems pretty confusing to me >> -mike > > rl03 already replied to that. I don't see any QA issues there, and if > someone from QA team does, then he probably has too much

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:51, Renat Lumpau wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:11:57PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > And it sticks out a nasty ewarn and says that the ebuild is probably > > broken. > > Which it _probably_ is. See, this is a numbers game. In most cases, if you > use the web

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
28.2.2006, 20:59:42, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:51, Renat Lumpau wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:11:57PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> > And it sticks out a nasty ewarn and says that the ebuild is probably >> > broken. >> >> Which it _probably_ is. See, this is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:09:02 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | 28.2.2006, 18:38:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > Sheesh, you'll probably claim that this isn't broken next too: | | > if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; then | > einfo "Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}" | | >

Re: [gentoo-dev] enable UTF8 per default?

2006-02-28 Thread solar
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 20:18 +0100, Kevin F. Quinn (Gentoo) wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:47:33 -0500 > solar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I forget where I read it but I thought that unicode lead to overflows > > and was considered a general security risk. I wish I knew where I read > > that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:10, Jakub Moc wrote: > 28.2.2006, 20:59:42, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:51, Renat Lumpau wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 05:11:57PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> > And it sticks out a nasty ewarn and says that the ebuild is probab

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote: > whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then > they should be able to without having an invalid warning issued on the > subject > considering the nature of the warning, it should be trivial to make it into a > proper QA chec

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > 28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then > > they should be able to without having an invalid warning issued on the > > subject > > > > considering the nature of the w

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user > files a report at bugs.gentoo.org I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to figure out which QA issues are important and which are l

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Dan Meltzer
On 2/28/06, Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user > > files a report at bugs.gentoo.org > > I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:50:40 + Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: | > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when | > a user files a report at bugs.gentoo.org | | I don't think that's the lesson. It o

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Alec Warner
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > >>28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>>whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then >>>they should be able to without having an invalid warning issued on the >>>subject >>> >>>consi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:55:52PM -0500, Dan Meltzer wrote: > eh, see, from what I can tell you are just deciding to make it complicated. How is having a process for resolving disagreements complicating things? I should be able to escalate a conflict (differing opinions on whether something is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:57:05PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:50:40 + Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > | > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when > | > a user fil

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Grant Goodyear
Renat Lumpau wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user >> files a report at bugs.gentoo.org > > I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to figure out > which QA issues

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:14:33PM -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote: > I think > it's fair to say that these QA checks will find problems ranging from > not-awful-but-annoying to could-break-your-system, but they are all bugs > that ought to be fixed eventually. Now, if you're currently working on > fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:14 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote: > So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA > team essentially formulating QA policy? Should new QA policies instead > follow the same rules as new global USE flags or eclasses--an e-mail to > -dev asking for comm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:42:34 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | ("We'll file bugs on Saturday if there are no objections to removal | of mkdir in global scope") Eek no. Have you any idea what happens when someone shoves an mkdir in global scope? That one is most definitely on the lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:58, Alec Warner wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > >>28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote: > >>>whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then > >>>they should be able to without havin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick Lauer
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 22:50 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:42:34 +0100 Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | ("We'll file bugs on Saturday if there are no objections to removal > | of mkdir in global scope") > > Eek no. Have you any idea what happens when someone s

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Loeser
Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission): > > Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval. I am just not going to > get involved in every single dev->dev disagreement, and certainly not when I > do not have all of the facts. I w

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Loeser
Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 16:14 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote: > > So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA > > team essentially formulating QA policy? Should new QA policies instead > > follow the same rules as new global USE flags

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Renat Lumpau
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:34:32PM -0500, Mark Loeser wrote: > Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Yes. Here's a quote from Halcy0n (with his permission): > > > > Don't mistake me not getting involved for approval. I am just not going > > to > > get involved in every single dev->dev d

Re: [gentoo-dev] enable UTF8 per default?

2006-02-28 Thread Bjarke Istrup Pedersen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Lauer skrev: > Hi all, > > at FOSDEM we had a nice discussion about languages, translations etc. > Having people from the US (wolf31o2) who never have problems and people > from Japan (usata) who always have problems with encodings / > charset

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mark Loeser
Renat Lumpau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So you're saying it's ok to have one team member who steps out of line and > cannot be managed? Are all teams allowed that exception? Did you read what I said? I talked to him and told him what I expect. I'm telling you to not expect him to change, not th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Lance Albertson
Mark Loeser wrote: > I don't think you will find one person that is going to say they are > capable of changing how Ciaran interacts with people. This is an > entirely different issue though, and I have talked to Ciaran about it. > What I was saying above is that I am not going to go and get invo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have | problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please | comment on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). | Its better if you say it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have > | problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please > | comment on bug #114944. (th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Lance Albertson
Lance Albertson wrote: > I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have > problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitude/actions, please comment > on bug #114944. (this bug is only open to Gentoo developers). Its better > if you say it yourself in this bug rather than letting other people

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
1.3.2006, 1:40:53, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:28, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:13:57 -0600 Lance Albertson >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> | I should note that if are a Gentoo Developer and have >> | problems/concerns/issues with Ciaran's attitu

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
28.2.2006, 16:31:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:20 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | >> Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA violation. | >> Getting a complete list is something

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-28 Thread Jakub Moc
28.2.2006, 16:29:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:08:05 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | 28.2.2006, 15:39:40, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | >> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:49:13 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | >> wrote: | >> | No, that's not a policy document, ebuild p

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