Am Mittwoch, den 27.05.2009, 20:55 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford:
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> On 2009.05.27 13:46, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:57 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > > This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd &
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On 2009.05.28 20:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:30 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > I don't see any objective measurements of performace in GLEP 55
> > either. perhaps you coul
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:56:46 +0200
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> So, basically, we can't do anything, because the universe might
> spontaneously decide to cease to exist. Quite scary, that.
No. What we do is don't design a fragile solution. We design a solution
that can handle users doing what we reaso
On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:52:49 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > > And just how do you plan to enforce that? What measures will you
> > > take to ensure that there's no way for developers or users to
> > > modify the repository?
> >
> > I ca
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:42:30 +0100
Roy Bamford wrote:
> I don't see any objective measurements of performace in GLEP 55
> either. perhaps you could point me to a version and pargraph in GLEP
> that details these benchmarks ?
It's not a question of be
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:46:48 +0200
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > And just how do you plan to enforce that? What measures will you
> > take to ensure that there's no way for developers or users to
> > modify the repository?
> I can think of many simple methods. Like a tarball with a checksum.
...which
On Thursday 28 May 2009 21:26:43 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because
> > it removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or
> > two little pieces ...
>
> Bec
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:42:02 -0700
Josh Saddler wrote:
> GLEP55 has not effectively shown that there *is* a problem, otherwise
> we wouldn't have had months of discussion on that topic.
Uh. Did you miss the part where we need global scope changes in ebuilds?
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On 2009.05.28 20:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> > I think I have pointed you a few times at objective statements
> > disagreeing with your subjective opinion. I hate repeating myself.
>
> And yet you keep ignoring the part where GLEP 55 demonstr
On Thu, 28 May 2009 21:19:35 +0200
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because
> it removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or
> two little pieces ...
Because you know fine well I'm right, but want to carry on trying to
derai
You know, usually snipping away everything else is a bit evil because it
removes context, but in this case I just want to point out one or two little
pieces ...
I almost feel bad for writing so many emails to this list.
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:48:45 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > For example a r
On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:30:44 +0200
Patrick Lauer wrote:
> > Interactive time is important. If it were adding those extra
> > seconds to the build, no-one would care. But it's not. It's adding
> > them to when the user's sitting at the screen waiting for results.
>
> So how about we improve the st
On Thursday 28 May 2009 20:04:18 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:00 +0100
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> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > As I understand this, it may add six seconds to an emerge world while
> > the dep tree is calculated. Lets say it takes an hour to do emerge
> > world, the time has increased fro
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On Thu, 28 May 2009 18:56:00 +0100
Roy Bamford wrote:
> As I understand this, it may add six seconds to an emerge world while
> the dep tree is calculated. Lets say it takes an hour to do emerge
> world, the time has increased from 3600 seconds to 3
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On 2009.05.28 06:46, Tiziano Müller wrote:
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> I did some analysis on that. The result is that the the performance
> penalty of not having the EAPI not in the filename depends on various
> factors. But it is for sure that there is a performance pe
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 12:46 +, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:57 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 4th
> > Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
> >
>
Am Donnerstag, den 28.05.2009, 09:23 +0200 schrieb Patrick Lauer:
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 07:46:36 Tiziano Müller wrote:
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> > And here is why (I'm only looking at the non-degenerated case with valid
> > metadata, ignoring overlays which some consider a corner case (I don't
> > understand that a
On Thursday 28 May 2009 07:46:36 Tiziano Müller wrote:
> And here is why (I'm only looking at the non-degenerated case with valid
> metadata, ignoring overlays which some consider a corner case (I don't
> understand that argument, but that's another thing)):
overlays tend to come without metadata
On Thursday 28 May 2009 01:10:50 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
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> >> How is it one-way exactly? You can do pretty much anything you want in
> >> a new EAPI (that's the point).
> >
> > You cannot undo it.
> >
> > In other words, you'll have to allow stupid filenames until the end of
> > times even i
Am Mittwoch, den 27.05.2009, 22:43 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford:
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> On 2009.05.27 21:06, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> > On Wed, 27 May 2009 20:55:33 +0100
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> > > That means
2009/5/28 Patrick Lauer :
> On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:12:56 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
>> 2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer :
>> > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
>> >> > Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
>> >> > remember, VHS was the better marketed b
On Thursday 28 May 2009 00:12:56 Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
> 2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer :
> > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
> >> > Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
> >> > remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
>
2009/5/27 Patrick Lauer :
> On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
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>> > Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
>> > remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
>> > that won the standards war for domestic Video recorders.
>>
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 22:57:25 Joe Peterson wrote:
> > Gentoo should not repeat the VHS vs Betamax war. For those who do not
> > remember, VHS was the better marketed but inferior technical solution
> > that won the standards war for domestic Video recorders.
> >
> :) Yep. And bad design deci
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:43:21 +0100
Roy Bamford wrote:
> You chose to ignore "Adding metadata to the filename is not required
> and is bad system design practice."
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> I assume you agree with that as you chose to snip it, not to refute
> it with a te
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On 2009.05.27 21:06, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
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> On Wed, 27 May 2009 20:55:33 +0100
> Roy Bamford wrote:
> > That means the EAPI needs to be extracted before the ebuild is
> > sourced, which from the f
Roy Bamford wrote:
> GLEP 55 still confuses the problem and the solution.
> Adding metadata to the filename is not required and is bad system
> design practice. Its also the first step on the slippery slope to
> adding more metadata in the future.
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> Changing the .ebuild extension, to blind e
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On Wed, 27 May 2009 20:55:33 +0100
Roy Bamford wrote:
> That means the EAPI needs to be extracted before the ebuild is
> sourced, which from the figures bandied about on the list may take
> marginaly longer but its a price worth paying for a sound sys
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On 2009.05.27 13:46, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:57 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd &
> 4th
> > Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-
> cou
> On Wed, 27 May 2009, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> I note that the .eapi-${EAPI} part could well be optional, in which
> case GLEP54 falls naturally into the new scheme as something like
> ${PN}-${PVR}-scm.eb
Sorry, but this is not what GLEP 54 proposes.
GLEP 54 proposes to make "-scm" part of
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 20:57 +0200, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
>
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vot
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