On 9/13/23, Dale wrote:
> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>
>> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out
>> where I'm wrong.
>> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users.
>> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us,
>> choice
Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> While my posts may be a little bit inflammatory, no one pointed out
> where I'm wrong.
> I don't hate gentoo, but I don't want choice to be taken away from users.
> If we(the users) only respond to issues that individually impact us,
> choice will be taken away from everyone
Fabian Groffen writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> On 12-09-2023 20:32:19 +0100, Alexey Sokolov wrote:
>> Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167
>> Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730
>>
>> Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to
>> bui
To be clear, I don't say that devs shouldn't get paid. They should just be
honest about who pays them to make changes.
On 12-09-2023 20:32:19 +0100, Alexey Sokolov wrote:
> Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167
> Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730
>
> Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to
> build on Darwin. I'll also need this USE-flag for
> sys-devel/clang-
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>> Is it such a burden to make a coup
On 9/13/23 1:03 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
wrote:
> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
On 9/13/23, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>>> wrote:
Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>>
>>> I see no commits from your email address in gento
On 9/13/23 12:35 AM, Alexe Stefan wrote:
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
>> wrote:
>>> Is it such a burden to make a couple of commits once in a while?
>>
>> I see no commits from your email address in gentoo.git, so that might
>> be a question for
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means
>> >> that
>> >> everyone else is then f
Eli Schwartz writes:
> On 9/12/23 10:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> +
On 9/12/23 3:47 PM, Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
> Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
It provides libudev.
On 9/12/23 10:26 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>>>
+ mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
+ local -
On Tue, 2023-09-12 at 22:07 -0400, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > > + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> > > + local -x
> > > DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG="${BUILD_DI
On 9/12/23 3:56 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
>
>> +mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
>> +local -x
>> DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG="${BUILD_DIR}/extra-setup.cfg"
>> +cat > "${DIST_EXT
On Wed, 13 Sept 2023 at 02:23, Alex Boag-Munroe wrote:
>
> >Matt Turner wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>>
>> Because it's already h
Alexe Stefan:
...
> I use a static /dev. That won't just stop work ing after an update,
> regardless of how much money changes hands.
Nice to se a fellow static /dev user.
> What does eudev need to do and doesn't do? From discussion in various
> places, I understand that it must set permissions f
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to
>> and it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already happened!
>
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:45 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
> On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> >> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> >> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to a
On 9/13/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
>> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
>> it will inconvenience everyone?
>
> Because it's already
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:23 PM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Why would you think that by having an alternative in tree it means that
> everyone else is then forced into doing work that they don't want to and
> it will inconvenience everyone?
Because it's already happened!
commit 6404b064d63d182da4a8a1
Andrew Ammerlaan wrote:
>
> On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>
>>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>>
>> Why does it have to? It is
Eli Schwartz wrote:
> On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
>> Matt Turner wrote:
>>> Conspiracy alert!
>>>
>>> It's been more than 2 years since
>>> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
>>>
>>>
>>> People have had plenty of ti
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 4:25 PM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
> Matt Turner wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > > Sam James wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 12
On 12 September 2023 21:47:31 CEST, Eddie Chapman wrote:
>Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> The eudev experiment has failed.
>> * It was false labeling from the start.[*]
>> * It's barely alive and not keeping up with udev upstream.
>
>Why does it have to? It is advertised as a fork after all.
>
>>
On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
Conspiracy alert!
It's been more than 2 years since
https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html
People have had plenty of time. More chances than were fair have been
given. No
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> + mkdir -p "${BUILD_DIR}" || die
> + local -x
> DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG="${BUILD_DIR}/extra-setup.cfg"
> + cat > "${DIST_EXTRA_CONFIG}" <<-EOF
> +
Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
something. I just find it puzzling.
>>>
>>> I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
>>> happens b
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:06:32 +0100
"Eddie Chapman" wrote:
> orbea wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> > Alexe Stefan wrote:
> >
> >> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this
> >> shitshow. Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be
> >> without a ma
Bug: https://bugs.gentoo.org/758167
Full PR is at https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/32730
Several LLVM packages require this early return, otherwise they fail to
build on Darwin. I'll also need this USE-flag for
sys-devel/clang-common, to distinguish between stage2 and stage3 of
bootstrap-
> >> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
> >> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
> >> something. I just find it puzzling.
> >
> > I'm not puzzled by what is going on, or by your email, because it
> > happens basically anytime a high-pro
If the current directory masks packages that would be installed and
contains different contents, it can cause testing issues that otherwise
go unnoticed. This warning can stop being experimental and opt-in
Suggested-by: Michał Górny
Signed-off-by: Eli Schwartz
---
eclass/python-utils-r1.eclass
Previously, setup.py was handled by:
- manually passing makejobs, with a heuristic to guess whether it was a
time saver to do so.
- rm -rf'ing the build directory in between python versions to prevent
cross-version contamination
This is because in PEP 517 mode, it doesn't accept build options
orbea wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
> Alexe Stefan wrote:
>
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks. All
>> th
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400
Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> > Sam James wrote:
> >
> > > Rich Freeman writes:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> in Gen
On 9/12/23, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan
> wrote:
>> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
>> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
>> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo fo
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 1:24 PM Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like intentional
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:35 AM orbea wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > Rich Freeman writes:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > > wrote:
> > >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> > >> (anywhere) that they are
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 11:04 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> Yes I regularly do this if there is a piece of software not in the tree, I
> have a local repo full of stuff. But this argument doesn't hold as much
> weight when it comes to a package like this which is integrated in the
> core of the system
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:23:49 +0300
Alexe Stefan wrote:
> All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
> Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
> maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
> All this seems like intentio
All this makes me wonder, what really is the reason for this shitshow.
Something tells me systemd and it's shims will never be without a
maintainer, regardless of how "popular" they are among gentoo folks.
All this seems like intentional crippling of systemd alternatives. I
don't use eudev, but I d
On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:17:00 +0100
Sam James wrote:
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman
> > wrote:
> >> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
> >> (anywhere) that they are not interested in being maintainers
> >> anymore (which is fin
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> martin-kokos wrote:
>> --- Original Message ---
>> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
"Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintai
Sam James wrote:
>
> Rich Freeman writes:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is
>>> fine if that is the case)? We're not talking
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Rich Freeman wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>>
>>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>>> if that is the case)? We're not tal
martin-kokos wrote:
> --- Original Message ---
> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
> wrote:
>
>> Sam James wrote:
>>
>>> "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
>>>
>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers?
>> Have
>> they disappear
Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere)
>> that they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine
>> if that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer o
--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
wrote:
> Sam James wrote:
>
> > "Eddie Chapman" ed...@ehuk.net writes:
> >
> > > > > So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> > > > > they disappeared? I often see on here pa
Rich Freeman writes:
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
>> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
>> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
>> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintaine
On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 9:36 AM Eddie Chapman wrote:
> in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said (anywhere) that
> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of some
> peripheral package
"Eddie Chapman" writes:
> Sam James wrote:
>>
>> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
> they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
> grabs. Why
> hasn't there been a call to give others the opportun
Sam James wrote:
>
> "Eddie Chapman" writes:
So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have
they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for
grabs. Why
hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunteer
as maintainers
On Tue 12 Sep 2023 05:18:51 GMT, Rich Freeman wrote:
> Sorry for this being a bit of a ramble. I do feel for your situation,
> but I don't want to see you fighting the wrong battle. Disclaimer:
> this is just my outside observation having seen many a treecleaning
> frustration in the past. I don
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:34 PM orbea wrote:
>
> Regardless the disappointment is a valid concern when Gentoo is willing
> to pull the rug up from under users feet under erroneous claims of the
> project being dead.
>
As a complete outsider, I think this conversation is focusing on the
wrong iss
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