Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread David Crossley
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Gang, > I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. > Both are still listed as Incubating Projects on projects/index.html, > as well as part of the Incubator project navigation. > Buildr is not listed in projects on www.apache.org, Abdera is list

list of mentors and current projects

2009-02-20 Thread David Crossley
Clutch now maintains a list of all mentors and the projects that they are helping to care for. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#mentors (when the web site syncs). We have 66 mentors assisting. Thanks. -David - To uns

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Thilo Goetz
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin > wrote: > >> We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA >> before the project's enthusiasm is sapped. > > That sounds like a healthy observation. My Q for the community is; Do > you have a he

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote: > My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is > this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no > problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an > overwhelming need to publish and build up a reput

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Thilo Goetz
Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote: > > > >> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is >> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no >> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an >> overwhelming ne

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA > before the project's enthusiasm is sapped. +1 I may be mistaken, but from the what I can tell UIMA has had to manage with barely any mentor support for the p

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Janne Jalkanen
> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is > this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no > problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an > overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So > they like to publish their source code on t

Mentor responsibilities (Was ... Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > [...] I am also dismayed by many Mentors are quick to jump into becoming > a Mentor, but not able to follow up on their responsibilities. It seems > that many thinks that 'hanging around' and have an opinion every now > and then is enou

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/20/09, Thilo Goetz wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Thilo Goetz wrote: >> >> >> >>> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is >>> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no >>> problems with open source, to the contrar

Re: Mentor responsibilities (Was ... Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread Martijn Dashorst
However, if that means actively committing, fixing bugs, then that is not what I've signed up for. I don't have a vested interest in the actual code of most if not all podlings. Guiding discussions, ensuring that the right things are done on the correct lists, reports get submitted on time, accoun

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/20/09, Janne Jalkanen wrote: >> My pet hypothesis (or maybe I'm just looking for excuses) is >> this: UIMA is heavily used in academia. Now academics have no >> problems with open source, to the contrary. But they have an >> overwhelming need to publish and build up a reputation. So >> the

Re: Incubation and the @attic.apache.org

2009-02-20 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 2/20/09, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > >>> Perhaps a better solution is an incubator sandbox for code >> >> Or just a directory called "dormant" into which to do an svn move. > > +1 - Simple Solution. The name is not important but the reason

Re: Mentor responsibilities (Was ... Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > However, if that means actively committing, fixing bugs, then that is > not what I've signed up for. I don't have a vested interest in the > actual code of most if not all podlings. Agree. > Guiding discussions, ensuring that the right t

Re: Mentor responsibilities (Was ... Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > However, if that means actively committing, fixing bugs, then that is > not what I've signed up for. I don't have a vested interest in the > actual code of most if not all podlings. Agreed, I didn't want to suggest otherwise. There

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Gang, > I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. > Both are still listed as Incubating Projects on projects/index.html, > as well as part of the Incubator project navigation. > Buildr is not listed in projects

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Gang, > I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. > Both are still listed as Incubating Projects on projects/index.html, > as well as part of the Incubator project navigation. > Buildr is not listed in projects

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Yoav Shapira
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Garrett Rooney wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> Gang, >> I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. >> Both are still listed as Incubating Projects on projects/index.html, >> as well as part of the In

Re: Incubation and the @attic.apache.org

2009-02-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Perhaps a better solution is an incubator sandbox for code Or just a directory called "dormant" into which to do an svn move. +1 - Simple Solution. +1; create a category on the Incubating projects list called D

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: I know that we usually try to strongly encourage companies not to use apache as dumping ground but I wonder sometimes whether it might be useful to accept more contributions of proof-of-concept code especially from academia. It's often easier to start from some proof

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 16:18, Yoav Shapira wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Garrett Rooney > wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >>> Gang, >>> I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. >>> Both are still listed as Incubating P

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Garrett Rooney
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: > Wow, this reminds me of the moments when I ask my children to clean up > the mess they created when happily playing. > And I get very grumpy when _I_ am the one who cleans up in the end, > because I some other stuff to do, too. But hey -

RE: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney wrote: > For what it's worth, I fixed the damn site, that wasn't what I was > pissed about. What I'm pissed about is that apparently the "right" > way to deal with a task that hasn't been done is to post a rant to a > widely read mailing list saying that the mentors of the project

Graduation process (was RE: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Garrett Rooney wrote: > I've spent more time than I actually have right now updating > the 9 million little things that have to get done when Abdera > graduated > The entire process of going through incubation with Abdera has been a > giant pain in my ass > Have fun with your overly complex rule

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Otis Gospodnetic
Perhaps GSOC is something to consider. I see UIMA didn't have anything in 2008: http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2008 Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch - Original Message > From: Thilo Goetz > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Frida

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread J Aaron Farr
On Fri 20 Feb 2009 17:23, Thilo Goetz wrote: >> Can you perhaps contact these individuals one-by-one and get their >> view on how they see it. Perhaps ask them to publish their work in >> parallel, and perhaps the 'OSS bug' will bite a couple of them?? > > I have talked to quite a few of them, a

Re: UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]

2009-02-20 Thread Otis Gospodnetic
+1. We have this attitude over at Lucene and I think it works well. We also have HowToContribute pages for both Lucene and Solr and regularly point people to it. We also encourage contribution via "Perhaps you can open a JIRA issue and contribute your patch" type of suggestions on the ML. We g

Re: Graduation process (was RE: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant)

2009-02-20 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Garrett Rooney wrote: > > > > I've spent more time than I actually have right now updating > > the 9 million little things that have to get done when Abdera > > graduated > > > The entire process of going through incubation with Abdera has been a > > giant pain in my ass >

Re: The graduation of Buildr and Abdera... + Rant

2009-02-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Garrett Rooney wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> Gang, >> I think that the Graduation of these two projects have not been 'clean'. >> Both are still listed as Incubating Projects on projects/index.html, >> as well as part of the I

Re: remember when each project report is due

2009-02-20 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > Craig L Russell wrote: > > > > What I was thinking is to have email lists generated for each podling, > > so email could be sent out to the people who care. > > > > For example, in http://incubator.apache.org/report_due_1.txt I'd like > > to see > > > > imperius-...@in