RE: PR issues (was: several messages)

2004-07-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Cliff Schmidt wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I think we should have a policy that any marketing materials > that refer to an incubating project at Apache must prominently > mention its incubating status, whether the marketing material > is a press release or a t-shirt. Right. :-) The approach

RE: PR issues (was: several messages)

2004-07-23 Thread Cliff Schmidt
Noel J. Bergman wrote on Friday, July 23, 2004 12:54 PM: > Without wanting to mention names, I agree with Brian about the > problem, but also observe that this has happened with the source > having been visible prior to Incubation. So that's why I separate > those two issues, and concur with a go

PR issues (was: several messages)

2004-07-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Steven Noels wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > One is an older one that is not from a big company, and is > > seemingly and finally starting to get squared away. The > > other one is a recent submission that more closely fits > > your description, and concerns have been raised to the > > contrib

Re: several messages

2004-07-23 Thread Steven Noels
On 14 Jul 2004, at 16:58, Noel J. Bergman wrote: One is an older one that is not from a big company, and is seemingly and finally starting to get squared away. The other one is a recent submission that more closely fits your description, and concerns have been raised to the contributor about it.

RE: Review under NDA (was RE: several messages)

2004-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Can we wait to really hash this out until someone does? Was just responding to a request to clarify my earlier reply to you and Ken. I've nothing more to add. :-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Review under NDA (was RE: several messages)

2004-07-14 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'm told my earlier message was unclear. Unless our legal counsel changes my understanding, which I consider rather unlikely, since I've already pursued the question, I am absolutely opposed to reviewing code under an NDA (unless it is something unusual,

Review under NDA (was RE: several messages)

2004-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'm told my earlier message was unclear. Unless our legal counsel changes my understanding, which I consider rather unlikely, since I've already pursued the question, I am absolutely opposed to reviewing code under an NDA (unless it is something unusual, like it expires without prejudice in two we

Consensus! (was Re: several messages)

2004-07-14 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: Anyways, I'll desist on this if it doesn't seem like there's convergence towards something. Like many conversations in the ASF these days the responses strike me more as "here's where you're wrong" rather than a constructiv

RE: several messages

2004-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > i don't like ndas on principle, and hope they can be avoided. however, > if the incubator pmc thinks that's the way to go for a particular > proposal, i think it's their call. (although i don't promise not to > lobby against it. ;-) I do, unless our legal counsel

Re: several messages

2004-07-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > Anyways, I'll desist on this if it doesn't seem like there's convergence > towards something. Like many conversations in the ASF these days the > responses strike me more as "here's where you're wrong" rather than a > constructive dis

RE: several messages

2004-07-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian Behlendorf wrote: >>> On the other hand, I don't want corporations to view Apache as a "channel" >>> for broader adoption of a new standard they've invented, a way to get a PR >>> bang to help the stock price, etc. >> >> i do not think that is going to happen. > > It's happened already, Ken.

Re: several messages

2004-07-14 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: What if a company considers to introduce an open source strategy, but the decision depends on whether the code is accepted as an Apache project or not? I think they will avoid showing the code before the project is accepted

Re: several messages

2004-07-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Brian Behlendorf wrote: > >> What if a company considers to introduce an open source strategy, >> but the decision depends on whether the code is accepted as an >> Apache project or not? I think they will avoid showing the code >> before the project is accepted o

Re: several messages

2004-07-12 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: for another thing, the asf *does* have a higher standard: we require transfer of ownership and ip. it makes perfect sense to me that a company may be willing to transfer those to the asf, but *not* be willing to throw them into the open -- which i

Re: several messages

2004-07-09 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Andreas Hartmann wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: In walking through the incubation documents (helping a couple of groups who have asked me about how to do this) it struck me that there was no requirement that the proposal provide a link to download and evaluate the code around