Thanks again Alan.
The fact that there appears to be no members of the Hive PMC active in the
incubator would seem to be the root cause of the need for further
mentoring/incubation post graduation.
Ross
On 23 Feb 2013 17:07, "Alan Gates" wrote:
>
> I think that's a question for the Hive PMC. I
FYI, at this point based on Benson and Roy's feedback I have been considering
this vote closed and passed. We're moving forward with the details of merging
the two, which will include winding down the incubator project. Mail has been
sent to dev@hive and hcatalog-dev to propose the details of
I think that's a question for the Hive PMC. I have some guesses, but it seemd
more appropriate to let them speak for themselves. For some history you can
take a look at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201211.mbox/%3CC648B9DE-2088-465E-8FA1-590D5E192093%40hortonworks.com%3E
w
Thanks Alan,
I'm still wondering why the Hive PMC feel mentoring inside the PMC is
appropriate but not the IPMC.
Please understand I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm
trying to understand it so that I can form an opinion as an IPMC member.
Ross
Sent from a mobile device, please
The project was named Howl when it was proposed, so the proposal is at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal
Alan.
On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here is as
> an IPMC member. My comment on the board repor
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here is as
> an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, it is
> "I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make a
> clear recommendatio
I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here is as
an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, it is
"I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make a
clear recommendation to the board in this and similar cases. The IPMC
discussion
Thanks for the clarification, Roy.
Cheers,
Chris
P.S. Almost want them to change to lazy consensus, bc you laying smack
down is full of win.
On 2/14/13 11:38 AM, "Roy T. Fielding" wrote:
>It is a majority decision. In theory, the PMC could decide to
>create special bylaws that would change th
It is a majority decision. In theory, the PMC could decide to
create special bylaws that would change that to a lazy consensus
decision, but then I would have to lay the smack down about why
it is that the US government sucks because supermajorities are
designed to deny proper governance.
In the
Hey Alan,
Great point -- thanks for highlighting the concern, and yes, Benson, I'd
like the Incubator PMC to request this clarification from the board. BTW,
not frustrated with you guys at all and wish you the best. Just trying to
help (even if it didn't seem like it) based on my existing experien
I'd like second and extend Benson's point about clarifying how these things
should work. In addition to clarifying what it means to graduate into a
subproject now that that is frowned upon, clarifying how these votes work would
help. I think Chris felt that we ignored his vote and pushed ahead
I'm not so much opinionated as confused here, perhaps because I have a
very linear view of governance.
I like to know how a vote fits into a governance structure or process,
and I've felt for some time that this case (podling goes to existing
TLP) is not well-explained by our structure.
Back in t
Hi Benson,
I saw your later email(s) and Incubator board report. It's fine and I
think the message of my objection comes across.
So thanks for that.
One thing I wanted to comment on:
On 2/13/13 4:10 AM, "Benson Margulies" wrote:
>Chris,
>
>The obvious compromise is to ask them to report the vo
I added a summary, please correct as needed, since I should button the
report up tomorrow.
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Chris,
>
> The obvious compromise is to ask them to report the vote result as it
> happened, it seems to me, -1's and all. But where do you think t
Chris,
The obvious compromise is to ask them to report the vote result as it
happened, it seems to me, -1's and all. But where do you think that
they are reporting anything? There's nothing happening here at the
board level. There's no board resolution needed for a Hive committer
to type 'svn cp'
Classifying this as a procedural vote gives the easy out of majority rule.
It is the IPMC's recommendation to the board that the board then evaluates
to become a TLP or not. Based on Benson's later email he is shucking all
of that to the board. Benson, I would hope you consider -1s to be VETO in
t
It has always seemed to me that graduation votes are just
recommendations from the incubator to the board. Only the board can
establish a TLP.
In this case, the vote is even less important. The HCatalog gang
proposed to merge into Hive. Hive proposes to give them a less than
warm welcome by some s
So I'm not clear what the next step is here. The 72 hours have passed, we have
5 +1 votes, 2 -1 votes, and a -0.
Based on this page http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html this appears to
be a procedural vote so it just requires a majority.
Are we done or is it traditional to allow more
On Feb 12, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I wonder: would the Hive community be willing to take an active role
> in supervising the work of the hcatalog people with an eye toward
> reaching the conclusion that they could be accepted as committers en
> bloc?
How are you proposing thi
I wonder: would the Hive community be willing to take an active role
in supervising the work of the hcatalog people with an eye toward
reaching the conclusion that they could be accepted as committers en
bloc?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:49
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> wrote:
> > ...I'm -1 on this graduation...
>
> -1 from me as well, I agree with Chris' points.
>
>
Yes these were good points however I don't think the HCatalog commun
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
wrote:
> ...I'm -1 on this graduation...
-1 from me as well, I agree with Chris' points.
This looks either like an umbrella project (which we don't want
anymore) or a PMC not trusting its committers.
IMO the options are either gradua
-0 on graduation into Hive.
>From the [DISCUSS] thread: http://s.apache.org/as9 , this sounds like
a compromise with members of the Hive PMC who see HCatalog as "a set
of wrapper APIs that make Hive's metastore and serdes accessible to
Pig and MR", so they question whether members of that communit
Hi Alan,
On 2/11/13 10:20 AM, "Alan Gates" wrote:
>
>On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Thanks for the pointer.
>>
>> I'm -1 on this graduation for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. It looks eerily similar to the creation of umbrella projects. I woul
On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks for the pointer.
>
> I'm -1 on this graduation for the following reasons:
>
> 1. It looks eerily similar to the creation of umbrella projects. I would
> expect the ASF board to not be happy with the graduation of
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the pointer.
I'm -1 on this graduation for the following reasons:
1. It looks eerily similar to the creation of umbrella projects. I would
expect the ASF board to not be happy with the graduation of a podling as
effectively a sub project of an established TLP, with the sub pr
No. See the thread of the Hive vote at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201301.mbox/%3cCACf6RrzktBYD0suZxn3Pfv8XkR=vgwszrzyb_2qvesuj2vh...@mail.gmail.com%3e
for a discussion of how the teams will be merged.
Alan.
On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> D
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