On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Alan, > > Thanks for the pointer. > > I'm -1 on this graduation for the following reasons: > > 1. It looks eerily similar to the creation of umbrella projects. I would > expect the ASF board to not be happy with the graduation of a podling as > effectively a sub project of an established TLP, with the sub project > status maintained through a rather lengthy set of bylaws that after trying > to read through for about 5 mins I decided to stop. TL;DR
Our goal is not to repeat the umbrella project situation that happened with Hadoop. The goal is to give the Hive community time to get to know the HCatalog committers and time for the HCatalog community to learn about Hive beyond the metadata portions they have been working with. To avoid the umbrella project status the by laws specifically prohibit creating new committers with access only to HCatalog. Also, it has been agreed that each HCatalog committer will be provided with a mentor from the Hive community to help him/her learn the rest of Hive, with the goal of becoming a committer on Hive within six months. The submodule state is transitionary, not an end point. > > 2. If the two communities can't be merged by simply merging the PPMC into > the PMC, then why not simply graduate HCatalog as its own TLP? Because we believe it makes sense, from both a community and code perspective, that these projects are together. HCatalog opens up Hive's metadata for use by other tools on Hadoop and for external systems. It doesn't make sense to any of us that this is separated from Hive with a different PMC, different release cycle, etc. > > 3. I get a little nervous every time I see bylaws used to draw artificial > lines and to create new roles that don't exist at Apache. "sub module > committer"? How is this comparable across projects? It's not really. > Projects don't have to be strictly comparable, but realize that you report > to the Board with common criteria, and so thus at some level projects are > comparable. > > I'd like to understand the answers to my above questions and I'd urge > other PMC members to take a look at this. It seems to be a recipe for > later issues, based on past experience with Hadoop, Lucene, and other > umbrellas that were dismantled. > > Chris > > > On 2/8/13 4:33 PM, "Alan Gates" <ga...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > >> No. See the thread of the Hive vote at >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201301.mbox/%3cCACf6Rrzk >> tBYD0suZxn3Pfv8XkR=vgwszrzyb_2qvesuj2vh...@mail.gmail.com%3e for a >> discussion of how the teams will be merged. >> >> Alan. >> >> On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >> >>> Dear Alan, >>> >>> Just a quick question: does this mean that the Hive PMC += (Apache >>> HCatalog Incubating PPMC)? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> >>> On 2/8/13 11:38 AM, "Alan Gates" <ga...@hortonworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Apache HCatalog entered incubation in March of 2011. In the process it >>>> has added five new committers and two new PPMC members and made 3 >>>> successful releases. >>>> >>>> The Hive PMC has voted to accept HCatalog as a part of Hive. The vote >>>> thread for this is at >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201301.mbox/%3cCACf6Rr >>>> zk >>>> tBYD0suZxn3Pfv8XkR=vgwszrzyb_2qvesuj2vh...@mail.gmail.com%3e >>>> >>>> The HCatalog PPMC has voted to accept this invitation. The vote thread >>>> for that is at: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-hcatalog-dev/201302.m >>>> bo >>>> x/%3cd6cc6c77-9e4f-48f6-b49f-a7e378889...@hortonworks.com%3e >>>> >>>> additional votes for this can be found at: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201302.mbox/% >>>> 3c >>>> 3f7d9868-7d0d-4c08-831a-ff4735394...@hortonworks.com%3e >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201302.mbox/%3c3F7D986 >>>> 8- >>>> 7d0d-4c08-831a-ff4735394...@hortonworks.com%3e >>>> >>>> (these are threads I forwarded to dev@hive and general@incubator as an >>>> FYI but people got confused and voted on the wrong thread). >>>> >>>> We have already received +1s from the following IPMC members on the >>>> previous threads: >>>> >>>> Arun Murthy >>>> Owen O'Malley >>>> Alex Karasulu >>>> Jakob Homan >>>> Alan Gates >>>> >>>> Please cast your vote. 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