Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-24 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Let's leave the discussion open for at least a few weeks before > conducting the election later this month. Seems like we have one great nominee in Benson and emerging consensus on electing him as the next IPMC chair. Unless anything n

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> ...Let's see if we have more than one candidate. >> So far we have none... > > Let's fix this: I nominate Benson Margulies as Incubator PMC chair. With Benson saying "Yes" a

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Benson, Thank you for the kind nomination. I'm not sure I have the time or energy for these duties anymore, plus my goal would still be to retire the Incubator :) and I think the folks around here actually want to see it continue on. If it does continue you, and you're at the helm, I am confid

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Alexei Fedotov
+1 (non-binding) for Benson for being a nice and practical guy On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > > I prefer simple. I'd rather see nominations and votes done via-email > with > > IPMC votes noted as (binding).

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 for nominating Benson. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > I prefer simple. I'd rather see nominations and votes done via-email with > IPMC votes noted as (binding). > > My +1 for nominating Benson. > > On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:07 AM, sebb wrote: > > > Indeed, but that might

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I prefer simple. I'd rather see nominations and votes done via-email with IPMC votes noted as (binding). My +1 for nominating Benson. On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:07 AM, sebb wrote: > Indeed, but that might be better done if/when Steve is enhanced to > support private (as opposed to secret) votes,

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
Briefly ... The process that produced Jukka was not a pretty one, and I was rather ashamed of myself by the end of it. So, if any other qualified candidate is available, my inclination is to defer to them. However, it's not for me to tell the community what to do. If the community prefers to run a

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-04 Thread Mark Struberg
+1 Benson is really good candidate! LieGrue, strub - Original Message - > From: Dan Haywood > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair) > > On

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-03 Thread Benson Margulies
I nominate Chris Mattmann. He's been a positive presence in the incubator for years. It seems to me that the IPMC char has to both guide the work of the group and also channel the Foundation's policies and the board's wants and needs, and he is well-position to do all these things. On Wed, Oct 3,

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-03 Thread Dan Haywood
On 3 October 2012 07:47, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > Let's fix this: I nominate Benson Margulies as Incubator PMC chair. > > Benson's been actively involved in the Incubator for quite a while, > has mentored several projects, and (despite longish emails sometimes > IIRC ;-) has shown great abi

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > ...Let's see if we have more than one candidate. > So far we have none... Let's fix this: I nominate Benson Margulies as Incubator PMC chair. Benson's been actively involved in the Incubator for quite a while, has mentored several project

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-02 Thread sebb
On 2 October 2012 10:20, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: >> Volunteers for what? To use Steve you'll need > > To start with a volunteer to list the requirements you just listed. > Thanks! :-) From your points it looks like we'd also need a few

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-02 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Volunteers for what? To use Steve you'll need To start with a volunteer to list the requirements you just listed. Thanks! :-) From your points it looks like we'd also need a few vote counters/monitors and the rest is something I should

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-02 Thread sebb
On 2 October 2012 00:00, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: >> Jukka Zitting wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 00:06:38 +0200: >>> PPS. It would be nice if we could use Apache Steve for the election. >>> Volunteers? > > > Seems a bit premature. Let's see i

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Jukka Zitting wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 00:06:38 +0200: >> PPS. It would be nice if we could use Apache Steve for the election. >> Volunteers? Seems a bit premature. Let's see if we have more than one candidate. So far we have none. >

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-01 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Jukka Zitting wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 00:06:38 +0200: > PPS. It would be nice if we could use Apache Steve for the election. > Volunteers? Volunteers for what? To use Steve you'll need a) root@ to start the webapp b) volunteer vote counters (monitors) c) list of email addresses of the e

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-01 Thread Karl Wright
Congratulations, Jukka! You've done a fantastic job! Karl On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting > wrote: >> Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve >> for at most two years before calling for a

New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-01 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve > for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly > much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as > well as it should. As alre

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-12 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 binding With Noel's email, this vote makes sense now. Next time please do not piggyback a vote off of an existing thread. Thanks! Regards, Alan On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-11 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 Noel, thanks for your service for the past many years. Craig On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: +1 --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional comma

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-11 Thread Matt Benson
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zit

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-11 Thread Andreas Lehmkuehler
+1 (non-binding) BR Andreas Lehmkühler Am 09.02.2012 16:16, schrieb Mattmann, Chris A (388J): Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the follow

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-11 Thread Antonio Sanso
+1 (non-binding) Antonio On Feb 11, 2012, at 12:29 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> [X] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Alex Karasulu
> > > > [X] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. > > +1

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
With all three other candidates having checked it, sure looks like we found consensus! > [X] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additio

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Leo Simons
+1 - Leo On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE > on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open > for at least the next 72 hours: > > [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zittin

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Niall Pemberton
-1 to the poor way this vote was conducted and your response to peoples concerns. +1 for Jukka as the new chair. Niall On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Richard Frovarp
On 02/09/2012 09:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... +1 binding -

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Karl Pauls
+1 regards, Karl On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> ...I >> have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent >> and active successor.  I was exceedingly pleased to see his message th

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Luciano Resende
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zit

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Raymond Feng
+1. Raymond Feng Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligne

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Daniel Kulp
+1 Dan On Thursday, February 09, 2012 7:16:25 AM Mattmann, Chris A wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running have aligned beyond the following nominee

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Suresh Marru
+ 1 (non-binding) Suresh > On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC >> chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the >> running >> have aligned beyo

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Jim Jagielski
With that explanation, I vote: +1 On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies >>> wrote: +1 (binding) >>> >>> +1 (bi

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Marcel Offermans
+1 And thanks a lot Noel! Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

RE: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
+1 >-Original Message- >From: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) [mailto:chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov] >Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 10:16 AM >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Subject: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for >Incubator PMC Chair)

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Tim Williams
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zi

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 for Jukka and +1000 thanks to Noel. Martijn On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > +1 > >        --- Noel > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > ...I > have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent > and active successor.  I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he > had reconsidered... Thanks Noel for the clarification. +1 for Jukka then! -B

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Guillaume Nodet
+1 (binding) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 16:16, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nomine

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-10 Thread Emmanuel Lécharny
[X] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. (binding) Go Jukka !!! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ate Douma
Thanks many times Noel! This also makes (for me) voting for Jukka again a proper process. I'm therefore reconfirming my earlier retracted vote for Jukka, +1 Ate On 02/10/2012 03:31 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining f

Re:[VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (in

RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Thank you Noel. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 10, 2012 2:32 AM, "Noel J. Bergman" wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > > > I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining folks > > (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the >

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Andrus Adamchik
With Noel's email, this vote makes sense now. +1 to Jukka (binding) Cheers, Andrus On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including m

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Edward J. Yoon
+1 to Jukka Zitting! (non-binding) On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > +1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> Ross Gardler wrote: >> >>> I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it look

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Davanum Srinivas
+1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: > >> I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining folks >> (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the >> follow

RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ross Gardler wrote: > I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining folks > (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the > following nominee:" Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer > standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was trave

RE: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
+1 --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Tim Williams
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >>> +1 (binding) >> >> +1 (binding) >> >>> From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above >> effectively turned thi

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >>> +1 (binding) >> >> +1 (binding) >> >>> From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above >> effectively turned thi

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 9, 2012 7:27 PM, "Doug Cutting" wrote: > > On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: > > In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I > > think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. > > I do

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> +1 (binding) > > +1 (binding) > >> From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above > effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time > for Noah to be

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Doug Cutting
On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: > In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I > think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. I don't see how it is invalid. Chris might have added more choices or invited more discussion first, but he can call a vote.

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Doug Cutting
+1 Doug On 02/09/2012 07:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Mark Struberg
eneral@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for > Incubator PMC Chair) > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> +1 (binding) > > +1 (bin

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > +1 (binding) +1 (binding) >From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individ

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/9/2012 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs > on a public ML? Just to clarify this single issue; by rights, adding committers and committee members is a personal issue about those individuals. But choosing a represent

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Dave Fisher
I have observations (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs on a public ML? (2) Why is there such a hurry to call a [VOTE] without a prior [DISCUSS]? (3) Why can't Chris start new threads by using New Message rather than a reply to a prior thread with a sub

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/9/2012 10:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > >> >> Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates >> and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. >> > > Agreed. > > I suggest that this VO

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread sebb
On 9 February 2012 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > >> On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > >>

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: >>> Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/09/2012 05:54 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > >> >> Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates >> and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. >> > > Agreed. > > I suggest tha

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, > with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS. -Bertrand -

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > > Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and > see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. > Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates b

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread sebb
On 9 February 2012 16:32, Marcel Offermans wrote: > On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > >> On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: >> >>> Hi Ross, >>> >>> Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. >>> If this VOTE isn't successful, then

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Marcel Offermans
On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > >> Hi Ross, >> >> Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. >> If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If >> you want to explicitly cal

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ramirez, Paul M (388J)
+1 (binding) Thanks, Paul On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the fo

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Ross, > > Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. > If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If > you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but > this is the VOTE I am int

Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Ro

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Greg Reddin
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. +1 Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Karl Wright
+1 (binding) Karl Wright On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael McCandless wrote: > +1 (binding) > > Mike McCandless > > http://blog.mikemccandless.com > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time

[DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee:" Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? Ross On 9 February 2012 15:39, Ate Douma wrote: > +1 (bin

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Michael McCandless
+1 (binding) Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ate Douma
+1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zi

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 binding. Thanks for putting up this vote Chris On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running >

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the foll

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Tommaso Teofili
+1 (binding) Tommaso 2012/2/9 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in > the running > have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Su

Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Folks, > > OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC > chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the > running > have aligned beyond the following nom

[VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-09 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of mo

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-02-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am > delighted

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-02-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've

Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair

2012-02-08 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-05 Thread Ross Gardler
Jim, I think you have expressed my concerns perfectly. Mentors care for the podlings. Someone has to care for the mentors. Not all mentors need help, not all podlings need help. We should provide *support* all the way down for when it is needed. We should not confuse interference with support. G

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Feb 3, 2012, at 11:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Jim, > > On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> [...snip...] >>> >>> So that's 7 of 9 board members that are on the Incubator PMC, and >>> a good chance they are here now, and reading this. >>> >>> What do Board me

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-04 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 4, 2012 5:50 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote: > > On 2/3/2012 8:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Lets not forget that the model referred to *included* the IPMC. The > > IPMC once had a useful function, it was a safety net for fled

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/3/2012 8:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Lets not forget that the model referred to *included* the IPMC. The > IPMC once had a useful function, it was a safety net for fledgling > communities. The IPMC never served that purpose. Projects were scuttled even in its first year. The IPMC served to

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 4 February 2012 01:47, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < >> chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >>> ... > if you'll recall Jim's message > to the members in the past 2 years about "intern

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Ross, On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. > On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Ralph Goers
On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > The incubator had demonstrated that relying on mentors is not always > sufficient. The incubator has failed in it's guidance rule. It has turned > to oversight and interference. Your proposal, in it's current form, will > remove the interferenc

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 3, 2012 4:27 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > > wrote: > >> ...

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Doug Cutting
On 02/02/2012 09:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > What do Board members think? IPMC hats on? Great. Board > hats on? Great too. Would be great to get opinions now > rather than have to wait. I like the simplicity of erasing the layer of management that is the Incubator. The board is a

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
On Feb 3, 2012, at 10:24 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 2/3/2012 8:07 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> >>> [...snippage...] >>> >>> I just don't think it is realistic to imagine that in 60 days from >>> some near-term board meeting, we can set up this new plan, debug it, >>> and transition the exist

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/3/2012 8:07 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> It seems to me that the proposed new scheme will take quite a bit of >> setting up. There is some writing to do. More to the point, if I were >> the board, I would want to pilot the new scheme for

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Sam, On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) > wrote: >> On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >> >> >>> What I care most about is >>> addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to >>> which feedback

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Sam Ruby
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > >> What I care most about is >> addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to >> which feedback can be directed for each report. > > Sure, I get that now. I'm +1 t

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jim, On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> [...snip...] >> >> So that's 7 of 9 board members that are on the Incubator PMC, and >> a good chance they are here now, and reading this. >> >> What do Board members think? IPMC hats on? Great. Board >> hats on? Great too. Would be gr

Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-02-03 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Sam, On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) >> wrote: >>> ... >>> And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think >>> that there should be an Incubation VP, are yo

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