Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I agree with you howard. It just doesn't matter that I agree. The trouble is the wording doesn't make it clear in Java althought I agree the intent of the license is what you say. I asked Sam Ruby about this and he said something to the effect of without clarification would you want to leave

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: See, that's the part I don't get. I know this is tedious if you've been through this, but I don't see how the LGPL is viral (the GPL is definitely viral, by design). Some pointers: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgNo=1606 is what should be chan

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
> Endre Stølsvik wrote: > > | Actually, this is present Apache policy. You can't link > to them at > > | all. Sorry. > > > > Why on earth can't Apache link to LGPL libraries? What's with you > > guys? Have you heard about something called "the open source > > community"? It's about reusing

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Endre Stølsvik wrote: > | Actually, this is present Apache policy. You can't link to them at > | all. Sorry. > > Why on earth can't Apache link to LGPL libraries? What's with you guys? > Have you heard about something called "the open source community"? It's > about reusing code n'allthat... ha

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-13 Thread Endre Stølsvik
| Actually, this is present Apache policy. You can't link to them at | all. Sorry. Why on earth can't Apache link to LGPL libraries? What's with you guys? Have you heard about something called "the open source community"? It's about reusing code n'allthat... Endre. ---

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-12 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 03:05 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Once both of those are resolved I'll change that to a +1 not before. While I agree that the incubator in its current form has been a wasteful excercise. The incubation period itself proved useful in that it exposed issues that I

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm quite wi

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread dion
; From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:00 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta > > > > > > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > >> > > >> I'm quite wil

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
- > From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta > > > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >> > >> I'm quite willing to help flush out a full projec

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Stephen McConnell
Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You can integrate with Gump regardless of Maven. Its just configuring gump is a royal pain in the butt. Pppbbbttt. Apparently creating the following is beyond Andy's abilities: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcv

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Votes should not take place on the pmc list. Tapestry has a vibrant community, that has already suffered too much from our incubation "experiment", and that is well taken care of by Dion, Andy, and all the other Jakarta friends. I thereby bropose that we "release" Tapestry so that it becomes o

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm quite willing to help flush out a full project definition once I get past the roadblocks. The question is: what should be done about the apparent jboss prereq? Theoretically it no longer exists (howard's answer to my previous issue with the licensing issues) ;-) Here

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'm quite willing to help flush out a full project definition once I get past the roadblocks. The question is: what should be done about the apparent jboss prereq? Theoretically it no longer exists (howard's answer to my previous issue with the licensing issues) ;-) But as mark pilgram said.

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread dion
Sam, from what I've found, there's no real dependency on jboss for the framework jar. Servlet api, xml-apis etc, but not necessarily jboss. -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You can integrate with Gump regardless of Maven. Its just configuring gump is a royal pain in the butt. Pppbbbttt. Apparently creating the following is beyond Andy's abilities: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakar

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Cool. Thanks Dion. You rock. -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/03/2003 10:33:25 AM: Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: All audit issues have been taken care of, per the schedule I posted on the Audit. What about jfreechart a

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You can integrate with Gump regardless of Maven. Its just configuring gump is a royal pain in the butt. Pppbbbttt. Apparently creating the following is beyond Andy's abilities: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakarta-gump/project/jakar

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread dion
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 12/03/2003 10:33:25 AM: > Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > > >All audit issues have been taken care of, per the schedule I posted on the > >Audit. > > > > What about jfreechart and jcommon? > > I also don't buy that JAXP is ASL. Its that funky sun

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: You can integrate with Gump regardless of Maven. Its just configuring gump is a royal pain in the butt. Pppbbbttt. Apparently creating the following is beyond Andy's abilities: http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakarta-gump/project/jakarta-tapestry.xml?rev=

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Andy -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/proposals/tapestry -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tapestry development Subject

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Conor MacNeill
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:17 am, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: > All audit issues have been taken care of, per the schedule I posted on the > Audit. > > The GPL module and all code that imports it no longer exists (we could > remove the ,v file from the repository I suppose). > The LPGL modules used in

RE: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Howard M. Lewis Ship
s/tapestry > -Original Message- > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tapestry development > Subject: Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta > > > -1 until a

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
-1 until all audit issues are resolved: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TapestryAudits/Feb2003 - Its my duty as a member of the foundation and as a sponsoring member of tapestry to sit watch over this and I take it seriously. and until Tapestry builds under Gump. (not an official

[VOTE:PMC] Release Tapestry to Jakarta

2003-03-11 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Conor MacNeill wrote, On 11/03/2003 8.26: With respect to Tapestry, I agree. I think the incubator PMC should perhaps vote to promote it into Jakarta. The current limbo is not fair to the people involved. ACK. Tapestry has a vibrant community, that has already suffered too much from our incuba