Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

Beaut, Joe just fixed the overall issue via INFA-3667 Thanks. -David Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Subscribing to changes of a specific page, such as > > seem to work just fine, however. > Possible stop-gap for this particular activity? > > =

RE: Vote plans for OOo proposal

Subscribing to changes of a specific page, such as seem to work just fine, however. Possible stop-gap for this particular activity? = Dennis -Original Message- From: David Crossley [mailto:cross...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, June 0

Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

Greg Stein wrote: > wrote: > > > > Presumably the wiki locks, if not physically, then at least by convention, > > when the call for a vote has been made? > > Yeah. Yes. However we have lost our ability to oversee the Wiki. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3668 Moin Wiki change notifi

Re: Sun/Oracle Contributor Agreements and Apache Project

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:40, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Like most volunteers at OpenOffice.org I signed a contributor agreement > years ago. Actually, many of the committers listed in the proposal > signed one of: > http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/jca.pdf Joint Copyright Assignment > http://www.

Sun/Oracle Contributor Agreements and Apache Project

Like most volunteers at OpenOffice.org I signed a contributor agreement years ago. Actually, many of the committers listed in the proposal signed one of: http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/jca.pdf Joint Copyright Assignment http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/sca.pdf Sun Contributor Agreement http:/

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Indeed! Hat's off to Germany, the place of OpenOffice.org birth... Onward! "Manfred A. Reiter" wrote on 06/09/2011 03:47:05 PM: > From: "Manfred A. Reiter" > To: general@incubator.apache.org, j...@gmx.de > Date: 06/09/2011 03:47 PM > Subject: Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Nóirín Plunkett wrote: Andy, Fáilte! Sounds like you get the "Apache Way" just great :-) "I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome things you've already done.]" Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a refreshing change :-) Noirin Thanks

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Andy, Fáilte! Sounds like you get the "Apache Way" just great :-) "I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome things you've already done.]" Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a refreshing change :-) Noirin On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:43 PM,

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Hi Christoph, 2011/6/9 Christoph Jopp : > Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: >> upps forgot ... >> >> reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) >> ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) > > I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Hi All. After reading the messages by others I feel very out of place. I do not have any formal background to speak of that would relate to this or any other project. The only thing that I feel I can bring is an open mind and willingness to work and learn. I first used StarOffice back in 1

Re: Remediation ...

On 09/06/2011 19:53, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: ... This is what I want to avoid; I would like to winkle this information out, publicly, to ensure that LibreOffice (and others: gnumeric, KOffice etc.) can take advantage of it. Is th

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:42 PM, wrote: > > I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done > so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your > interest in this project.   Think of this as an opportunity to introduce > yourself to your future co

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> > Ultimately with a suite of 8+ million lines, packed with obscure features, >> > and thousands of lines of change a day it is fairly easy to slip things in, >> > to the potential

RE: Remediation ...

Michael, I agree that the ethical thing to do is to inform partners of such matters, although I still don't know how to guarantee it. And generally speaking, you might want to treat the specifics of such matters in similarly sensitive manner as to how you would carefully handle any potential s

RE: Remediation ...

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:27 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Ultimately with a suite of 8+ million lines, packed with obscure features, > > and thousands of lines of change a day it is fairly easy to slip things in, > > to the potential detriment of other users of the code. > > Wait. How is an

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Since IBM has already implemented their workarounds and it is existing code > shouldn't it all be contributed via a Software Grant from IBM and go through > the same IP remediation as the Oracle grant only at a much smaller level of > effor

Re: Remediation ...

On Jun 9, 2011 11:16 AM, "Michael Meeks" wrote: >... >It still leaves something you can't answer though: whether it is Rob's > understanding of IBM's intention to camouflage such changes or to flag > them all openly and clearly. Ultimately with a suite of 8+ million > lines, packed with ob

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Sam, > > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: >> The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial >> public aspect to this entire discussion.  Yes, I will probably have >> some private discussions with ASF la

Re: Remediation ...

On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Sam, > > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: >> The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial >> public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have >> some private discussions with ASF law

RE: Remediation ...

Michael Meeks wrote: > It still leaves something you can't answer though: whether it is Rob's > understanding of IBM's intention to camouflage such changes or to flag > them all openly and clearly. Separating the above from what seems to be the underlying concern. > Ultimately with a suite of 8+

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter: > upps forgot ... > > reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) > ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) I hope it will not take 40 years ;-) > > 2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter : > [...] > >>

Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

On Jun 9, 2011 9:29 AM, wrote: > > sa3r...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 12:00:22 PM: > > > > > If any of this is unclear or if I got anything wrong, please speak up. > > > > Presumably the wiki locks, if not physically, then at least by convention, > when the call for a vote has been made? Yeah.

RE: Remediation ...

Michael Meeks wrote: > I rest my case about FUD. It seems hard for me to reconcile your > statement with the emphasis around things happening transparently Then let me be equally clear. I've learned not to discuss *potential* legal issues on public lists before first consulting counsel. Akin t

Re: Remediation ...

On 09/06/2011 18:59, Michael Meeks wrote: and/or can others comment on ASF policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ? This question was intended to mean: "What is ASF's normal modus operandi here ?, how does this type of issue get addressed ? are th

Re: Remediation ...

Hi Sam, On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: > The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial > public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have > some private discussions with ASF lawyers over time over this matter, > but I can't see any way th

RE: Remediation ...

Hi Noel, On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:13 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I heard about this, myself, in some specific detail very recently. > I will leave disclosure to the relevant parties, but while it may > or may not be an issue for you ... I rest my case about FUD. It seems hard for me t

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote.  The ASF doesn't require >> entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a >> patent license. > > We do, however, have the patent clause t

Re: Remediation ...

Am 09.06.2011 19:13, schrieb Noel J. Bergman: > Please stop using the meme that software patents make Americans happy. + 1 from Germany Cheers, Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For add

RE: Remediation ...

Joe Schaefer wrote: > I don't see how this has any bearing on the vote. The ASF doesn't require > entities to disclose whether or not any particular contribution includes a > patent license. We do, however, have the patent clause to ensure that contributed code comes with license for any necessa

Re: Remediation ...

Michael Meeks wrote on 06/09/2011 12:27:56 PM: > In the deluge of drivel I lost this gem in your response to > my scepticism about how quickly you could provide a binary release: > > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:31 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: > > But one thing not to lose track of

RE: Remediation ...

Michael Meeks wrote: > Robert Weir wrote: > > But I know with certainty that we've fixed things that LO has missed. > > (I'm talking patents, not the MPL/LGPL dependency issues). > You seem to assert that you have patent remediation patches for > problems that others are unaware of, that you can

Re: Remediation ...

What we can say for certain is that Oracle won't be turning around and suing ASF or any downstream user of the Apache-licensed codebase for infringement. Same goes for IBM once they start contributing to it. The patent provisions in the license only kick in on entities who contribute to us, so it

Re: Remediation ...

Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 9 Jun 2011, at 17:27, Michael Meeks wrote: >Can you comment on your plans, and/or can others comment on ASF > policies in this regard ? how are such issues worked through ? I can't comment on the details if Robs remediation comments

Re: Remediation ...

Considering the code was owned by Oracle, would Oracle and IBM have slugged out any IP issues between them before now? On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > - Original Message >> From: Simon Phipps >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46

Re: Remediation ...

- Original Message > From: Simon Phipps > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 12:46:41 PM > Subject: Re: Remediation ... > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks > > wrote: > > > > > >IM

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks >> wrote: >> > >> >        IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL) >> > filled room that issues edicts to remove feat

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks > wrote: > > > >IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL) > > filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches > > without a clear public rational on a

Re: Remediation ...

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > >        IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL) > filled room that issues edicts to remove features and veto patches > without a clear public rational on a public list (cf. the above). All work at the ASF that involv

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

upps forgot ... reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-) ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) ) 2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter : [...] > Interested in helping: > Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation, > community for

Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

sa3r...@gmail.com wrote on 06/09/2011 12:00:22 PM: > > If any of this is unclear or if I got anything wrong, please speak up. > Presumably the wiki locks, if not physically, then at least by convention, when the call for a vote has been made? -Rob ---

Re: Remediation ...

Hi Rob, In the deluge of drivel I lost this gem in your response to my scepticism about how quickly you could provide a binary release: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:31 -0400, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote: > But one thing not to lose track of is that Symphony has done IP > remediation at many

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011/6/7 > > By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed > committers for the Apache OpenOffice project.   I think this is a > respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong > commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the proj

Re: [VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

Welcome Nick! I've added you to the list of initial committers. We've chatted in the past and its great to have you on board. Could you add your affiliation (company) to the wiki page? http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlumeProposal Thanks, Jon. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:11 AM, NerdyNick wrote

Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

Lets go for it. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > First some current stats: > > 73 committers. > 18 currently have iclas on file. > 29 have openoffice.org email addresses. > 8 have ibm email addresses. > 8 mentors > > Overall, it looks to me like discussion is slowing, and general

[VOTE] Flume to join the Incubator.

Hi, I know you guys have already started the voting process for Flume becoming an Incubator project. However I'd like to through my hat in to become a contributor on the project. Thanks, Nick -- Nick Verbeck - NerdyNick NerdyNick.com Coloco.u

RE: Vote plans for OOo proposal

Sam Ruby wrote: > Unless I see pushback that merits waiting further, I plan to call for > a vote approximately 24 hours from now (noon EDT). Please count my +1 vote. I will be traveling, and I don't know what my Internet access will be during the voting timeframe. There are a lot of issues to

Re: Vote plans for OOo proposal

On 6/9/2011 11:00 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: > > If any of this is unclear or if I got anything wrong, please speak up. You might just want to clearly mark on ballot *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] ---

Vote plans for OOo proposal

First some current stats: 73 committers. 18 currently have iclas on file. 29 have openoffice.org email addresses. 8 have ibm email addresses. 8 mentors Overall, it looks to me like discussion is slowing, and generally tending towards people supporting starting a vote at this time. There are plen

OOo community organzations (was: OOo Monetary Donations)

Does someone have a high-level org chart - so to speak - of the OpenOffice.org community? To be more specific, a chart or description of all the recognizable groups (associations, corporations, memberships, etc.) that are either directly in charge of some part of the OOo project as a whole, or

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, wrote: > > This is great information. But can I make a suggestion? I don't think > this is a discussion that we can really make any progress with now, in > reviewing an incubation proposal. I'm not even sure this is something > that will be within the ambit of t

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hi, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote on 2011-06-09 15.21: together. The only influence Apache has is indirect, via its eventual control of the OOo trademark, logo and website. Since fundraising is a just a quick note to that - it doesn't affect the German association very much, but: Once grante

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Volker Merschmann wrote on 06/09/2011 02:33:09 AM: > > as most of the discussion happened when I slept, I will give a > summarizinig answer from the top. (With unusally top-posting against > the netiquette) > > There are two associations (german: "eingetragener Verein" abbrev. e.V.) > > - Team

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Kazunari Hirano wrote on 06/09/2011 08:46:05 AM: > Let us open up new markets and allow all the people on the earth to > use our great Office Suite in their native languages! > We are all sure that OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/StarSuite benefit them. > Thanks > > It is very exciting to work with va

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

El 07/06/11 14:12, robert_w...@us.ibm.com escribió: > I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done > so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your > interest in this project. Hi people. I'm a community member of OpenOffice.org since 2002. My

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Sorry! I inserted a odd sentence, "I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the parents who have helped enact this important change by expressing concerns to both the school and council" Please ignore :) Thanks, khirano -

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

Hi Rob and all, I am Kazunari Hirano (khir...@openoffice.org). http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Khirano I am one of adminstrators for OpenOffice.org Comunity Forum Japanese. http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/ I am OpenOffice.org Marketing Contact (MarCon) Japan. http://ma

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03) >> >> On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote: >>> >>> Moin Moin [1], >>> >>> my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since >>> 1998 >>> [..] >> >> I just wanted to say that th

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

+1 Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM, arv...@cloudera.com wrote: > As there are no active discussions on the [PROPOSAL] thread for a few > days now, I will like to initiate the vote to accept Sqoop as an > Apache Incubator project. The proposal discu

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hi, Martin Hollmichel wrote on 2011-06-09 11.20: Team OOo donation are not tax-deductible, as not want have all spendings as especially meritorious. Of course Team OOo is a non-profit organization and more flexible in spendings. My understanding is that the especially meritorious term also limi

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hi, On 06/09/2011 10:32 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: [...] > Maybe two things to add (and Martin, feel free to correct me): > > TeamOOo: donations are not tax-deductible, as not approved as > not-for-profit, but thus more flexible in handling money spending > outside of Germany. > > FrODeV: dona

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-06-09 10.28: - TeamOOo e.V: Association of the Hamburg engineers (primarily) ---> OOo - FroDe.V, formerly OOoDe.V: users/community association in Germany channelling funds under two separate accounts for LibreOffice and OpenOffice, and also acting as the inte

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hello everyone, 2011/6/9 Florian Effenberger > Hi, > > Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42: > > It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were >> accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects >> donations for LibreOffice, >> http://www.documentfounda

Re: OOo Monetary Donations

Hi, Andy Brown wrote on 2011-06-09 01.42: It would be interesting to find out if all funds received for OOo were accounted for since the fork. The e.V changed names and collects donations for LibreOffice, http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ . as a German approved, charitable/non-p