On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> I have no idea what might be going on in your head, but from where I
> sit, it seems like you might be overreacting just a _bit_ to a
> tongue-in-cheek e-mail post script. Have some green tea.
What is/was going on in my head is expressed "grace
Hi Greg,
I'm afraid that you have totally mistranslated my message and I have
no idea why.
I'm not trying to pick a fight.
I'm trying to be reasonable.
I don't perceive your reaction as positive.
I'm not going to continue this discussion until you have something
concrete to discuss. I vo
On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:37 -0600, Eric Evans wrote:
> The Cassandra community voted on and approved the release of Apache
> Cassandra 0.4.2. We would now like to request the approval of the
> Incubator PMC for this release.
>
> Cassandra is a massively scalable, eventually consistent, distributed
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16, Leo Simons wrote:
>>...
>> Not merit, just "binding vote". I agree that it sucks, but it is not
>> something where the incubator has "gone awry", it has _always_ been
>> messed up like this.
>>
>> Here's what I unde
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:08, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>...
> It seems though that all you're going to do here in the incubator is
> go through the IP clearance and ask for waivers on all the other usual
> steps that a new project goes through. Whats the point of that?
> Whether its a bad precedent
Igor Burilo wrote:
>> We have a number of *user-configurable* dependencies which are not
>> compatible with the AL:
>> - Neon, a HTTP client library, used by libsvn_ra_neon, is LGPL.
>> (An alternative HTTP client library, libsvn_ra_serf uses the Serf
>>library under ALv2.)
>
> Neon is curre
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:27, Martijn Dashorst
> wrote:
>> Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
>> done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
>> to our policies which you and others have
> We have a number of *user-configurable* dependencies which are not
>compatible with the AL:
> - Neon, a HTTP client library, used by libsvn_ra_neon, is LGPL.
> (An alternative HTTP client library, libsvn_ra_serf uses the Serf
>library under ALv2.)
Neon is currently Subversion's default RA
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16, Leo Simons wrote:
>...
> Not merit, just "binding vote". I agree that it sucks, but it is not
> something where the incubator has "gone awry", it has _always_ been
> messed up like this.
>
> Here's what I understand:
>
> 1) Apache rule: all apache releases must be mad
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:15, Martijn Dashorst
wrote:
>...
> I actually like the way you ask for waivers for stuff that is required
> by the Incubator. But this should be open to any podling, regardless
Never said it was specific to Subversion. You're just jumping up and
down about procedures wit
- Original Message
> From: Justin Erenkrantz
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 7:56:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:
> [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> w
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> Also, to be clear, as an IPMC member I spend quite a bit of time with
>> projects where I am not a mentor, casting (binding) votes on things
>> like their releases. I will continue to d
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> We certainly have no intent to bring Bad Code into the ASF!
I am sure you do. However that is not the issue I'm going against:
when Good Code is brought into the ASF in a Bad Way or in a Good Way
with Bad Reasoning.
I actually like the way you
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:53, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> I mean, really... how many other projects that are 9.5 years old(*) do
>> we expect to see arriving here? And of those, how many *started* with
>> the ideas and precepts of the Apache Software F
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> OTOH, podlings that don't have 3 active mentors can't get 3 binding
> votes internally, so IPMC members have to jump in sometimes. Thanks to
> those of us who do!
I view the proposal accepting the projects with the listed mentors as
del
On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I mean, really... how many other projects that are 9.5 years old(*) do
we expect to see arriving here? And of those, how many *started* with
the ideas and precepts of the Apache Software Foundation? I suspect it
will be zero, so wasting a lot of tim
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> ...I'm mildly uncomfortable with mentors who aren't actually involved in
> the project telling a community what to do - but I accept that as a
> necessity of the Incubation process. However, I'm much more
> uncomfortable when folks who ha
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> This is where I think the Incubator has gone awry: the claim that you
> are an IPMC member implies that you have merit on a project (in the
> form of a binding vote) is false.
Not sure if I am looking at the same incubator as you are. I a
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> Also, to be clear, as an IPMC member I spend quite a bit of time with
> projects where I am not a mentor, casting (binding) votes on things
> like their releases. I will continue to do that, inline with procedure
> and policy and common sense. I'
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:11, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
> I am not on either side of the debate here, but Martijn is correct in
> pointing that the formal standard was applied to *all* podlings to date.
I understand, and will simply ask "was that the right thing to do?"
I'm not looking
The vote for releasing Wink 1.0 passes with 3 binding +1s and 0 +0/-1
votes. Binding votes were cast by:
Kevan Miller
Leo Simmons
Ant Elder
Thanks for the input and help in getting us to 1.0!
-Nick
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
nlgal...@us.ibm.com
Phone: 512-
Hi Greg,
I am not on either side of the debate here, but Martijn is correct in
pointing that the formal standard was applied to *all* podlings to
date. There's more than a few projects in the ASF that were originally
developed in the open, with strong communities. And in those cases
that
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
> necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole. The IPMC as a
> whole has only two roles: approving a proposal and recommending
> graduation
Also, to be clear, as an
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
> done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
> to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
> to ensure they have the correct licensing headers, notices
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Martijn Dashorst
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz
> wrote:
>> To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
>> necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole.
>
> Nope... The whole IPMC has been tasked with oversig
Yep, I agree with what Kevan just said, so you're good to go now.
...ant
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
> Thanks Ant. Do you have any input on the question below?
>
> > Is that vote [mentor/IPMC member] transportable here?
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas Gallardo
> WebSphere -
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
>
> Thanks Leo, your input is much appreciated.
>
> In addition to this +1, we received a +1 from Kevan Miller in the Wink
> community vote. Is that vote transportable here? If so, then we just need one
> more +1 to release as the vote h
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:27, Martijn Dashorst
wrote:
> Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
> done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
> to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
> to ensure they have the cor
Thanks Ant. Do you have any input on the question below?
> Is that vote [mentor/IPMC member] transportable here?
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere - REST & WebServices Development
nlgal...@us.ibm.com
Phone: 512-286-6258
Building: 903 / 5G-016
On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:23 AM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
Thanks Leo, your input is much appreciated.
In addition to this +1, we received a +1 from Kevan Miller in the
Wink community vote. Is that vote transportable here? If so, then we
just need one more +1 to release as the vote has already
Looks good to me +1
...ant
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Nicholas L Gallardo wrote:
> Thanks Leo, your input is much appreciated.
>
> In addition to this +1, we received a +1 from Kevan Miller in the Wink
> community vote. Is that vote transportable here? If so, then we just need
> one more
Yes, *AND* ensuring legal dots are put on the i's and j's. This is
done through checking the release and ensuring that it is in adherence
to our policies which you and others have crafted. *All* podlings have
to ensure they have the correct licensing headers, notices and other
bits in place before
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and
> necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole.
Nope... The whole IPMC has been tasked with oversight. The mentors are
proxies for the whole IPMC.
> The IPMC as a
>
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 09:14, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
>> how to work here at Apache.
>
> So what are you teaching with e-mails like this, Greg?
>
> When you disagree with someon
Thanks Leo, your input is much appreciated.
In addition to this +1, we received a +1 from Kevan Miller in the Wink
community vote. Is that vote transportable here? If so, then we just need
one more +1 to release as the vote has already been open for 72 hours.
Nicholas Gallardo
WebSphere -
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
> how to work here at Apache.
...
> The Incubator PMC is here to TEACH podlings. Stop and think before
> attempting to apply "rules and procedures".
+1.
The Incubation proce
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> The Apache Incubator is about EDUCATION. It is about TEACHING podlings
> how to work here at Apache.
So what are you teaching with e-mails like this, Greg?
When you disagree with someone, SHOUT a bit and write a long rant?
Or perhaps that usin
Leo Simons wrote:
> I have no idea what might be going on in your head, but from where I
> sit, it seems like you might be overreacting just a _bit_ to a
> tongue-in-cheek e-mail post script. Have some green tea.
>
There were also some suggestions about us making a release for the sake
of makin
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
>> PS: +1 to start incubation obviously. The record is 2 weeks set for
>> MerlinDeveloper back in 2003...you have 9 days left to try and beat it
Hey, you snipped the smiley! I'm going to stu
+1 from me!
cheers,
Leo
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Nicholas Gallardo
wrote:
> The Wink community has voted on and approved the release
> of Wink 1.0 (RC-5). We would now like to request the
> approval of the Incubator PMC for this release.
>
> Details of the Wink community vote can be fou
+1, nice work folks!
cheers,
Leo
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Eric Evans wrote:
>
> The Cassandra community voted on and approved the release of Apache
> Cassandra 0.4.2. We would now like to request the approval of the
> Incubator PMC for this release.
>
> Cassandra is a massively scalable,
Just as a point of interest, I just completed a test meeting using
OpenMeetings across three sites using the demo server.
I was suitably impressed by the project. It has a few annoying
limitations, but as an online meeting tool it is very good. to the
extent that I will almost certainly be install
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