On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <jus...@erenkrantz.com> wrote: > This is where I think the Incubator has gone awry: the claim that you > are an IPMC member implies that you have merit on a project (in the > form of a binding vote) is false.
Not sure if I am looking at the same incubator as you are. I am fully aware that I don't have any technical merit with a project and refrain from voting on technical issues. As part of the IPMC I *do* have a binding vote, per Apache policy, on any issue (technical, legal and communitywise). If a podling thinks they are ready to graduate, but the mentors are not, should they still graduate? If a podling thinks they are ready to graduate, and the mentors are, but they still aren't diverse? Should they still graduate? If a podling votes +1 for a release but doesn't have NOTICE, DISCLAIMER and LICENSE in the right places, should we still vote +1 to release the artifacts? Is being on the IPMC the same as being vote cattle? > Merit should be earned and should be local - and, in that, I think > there are some re-adjustments in order as to how the Incubator > operates. > I'm mildly uncomfortable with mentors who aren't actually involved in > the project telling a community what to do - but I accept that as a > necessity of the Incubation process. However, I'm much more > uncomfortable when folks who have *zero* affiliation (except for being > on some distant "PMC") telling a podling what to do because *they* > personally believe it is right even when others disagree. There will always be opinions and disagreements. AFAIK only commits are subject to VETOs, and I can't remember when an IPMC member vetoed a commit on a podling (being mentor or not). The only real problematic votes are release votes and graduation votes. The latter are usually voted -1 because of diversity issues or the lack of adding new committers to the project. The former are usually voted -1 because of wrong contents for NOTICE files, or missing headers and/or LICENSE, DISCLAIMER and NOTICE files. If you have anything specific then please point it out. Martijn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
