Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote: > What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this > proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP > process and the apache project. Eg is the apache project a (reference?) > implementation of

Re: New committers

Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new > >committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin > > thanks justin. > > > After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the > PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator P

Re: [doc] web site dropped the "learn" category

Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Incubator web site navigation no longer has a "learn" category with > links to these pages: > > http://incubator.apache.org/learn/ > http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html > http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html > http://incubator.apache.org/l

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Mike Kienenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In previous discussions, the eventual status (subproject/project) of the podling was not to be considered in decisions until after the project graduated.It seems like this would continue to be a good well, the prefered status was/is b

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For Derby we had a PPMC which was useful for personnel discussions. On graduation responsbility was transferred to the DB PMC. To me a ppmc for *each* incubator project sounds reasonable. On Tuscany we don't have a PPMC or other private fo

Re: New committers

I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces PMC is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do. Yeah, right the goal was being a MyFaces subproject. Since ADF Fa

Re: New committers

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > I think the initial decision was that a PPMC was not necessary as the code was > just going to be imported into the MyFaces project. Therefore, the MyFaces > PMC > is responsible for executing the duties that a PPMC would normally do. > > Perhaps we need to clarify

Re: New committers

On 6/22/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: > We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to > the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction > on what we were suppo

Re: New committers

On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: > We didn't have one for the WebWork incubation, which I think is similar to > the situation you are in with ADFFaces. We also didn't get clear direction > on what we were supposed to do, so we just used the Struts PMC + initial > commi

Nit with website sidebar organization

One obvious thing I'd like to focus on (that Jean hinted at) is the sidebar organization on incubator.a.o. The fact that "Projects" (which is the actual list of projects!) is next to a bunch of a "IP Clearance", "Policy", etc. docs makes zero sense. It needs to be way way more prominent. See ya'

Re: New committers

On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 08:50:30PM -0700, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new > >> committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin > > > >thanks justin. > > sorry justin, f

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new > > committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin > > thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you a

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 21 23:53:03 2006

APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ [note: the Web site is the 'official' documentation; the wiki

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new > committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. sorry justin, for bothering you again... Or should we create a "adffaces-ppmc" list for the adf fa

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

ah :) thx, On 6/21/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matthias, FYI, Once you are an Apache committer. You are one for life. Unless you voluntarily peition people to revoke your id and karma. -- dims - To unsu

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Matthias, FYI, Once you are an Apache committer. You are one for life. Unless you voluntarily peition people to revoke your id and karma. -- dims On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas and Jason pointed already out, that is very active in the JCP (Java Community Proc

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Thomas and Jason pointed already out, that is very active in the JCP (Java Community Process). Also, I agree with Thomas, that there always is a possibility to *remove* sb. -Matthias On 6/21/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:53 +0200, Thomas Dudziak wr

Re: Vetoing/Voting in committers?

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:46 -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Mladen Turk wrote: > > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> > >> And people in general shouldn't be discussed on this list. > > > > Sorry about that. My bad :(. Mine too; and as the originator of the thread in public my apologies to Han

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:53 +0200, Thomas Dudziak wrote: > > While I haven't met Hani in person, I don't think it is ok to judge > him after his blog. After all it is satire (and damn funny at times). Its not about whether his blogs are funny but rather whether he'll help build communities or not

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Dan, ok. let's stick to the technical side for a minute and let me layout a logic. - Tuscany started with an Axis1 binding and then they added Axis2. When Celtix guys wanted to do the same, We welcomed Dan and got him cranking. - So Tuscany is better off now as a container that supports multiple

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 21 Jun 06, at 10:03 AM 21 Jun 06, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Is Hani seriously going to participate in an Apache meritocracy or is this some kind of joke? You can't take any of what he says in that blog seriously. He's equally slammed Maven, and generally what he's said has some grain o

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Dudziak wrote: > > Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does > rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is > probably not a good source). You are completely wrong with that. There ca

[doc] web site dropped the "learn" category

Incubator web site navigation no longer has a "learn" category with links to these pages: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/ http://incubator.apache.org/learn/newcommitters.html http://incubator.apache.org/learn/mailing-lists.html http://incubator.apache.org/learn/releasemanagement.html http://inc

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Hiram Chirino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CXFilre sounds good to me ;-) Doh... replace with: CXFire On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites & docs will a

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

CXFilre sounds good to me ;-) On 6/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites & docs will at the > old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire > releases a .0

Re: New committers

Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC list) or on the developer list (with a n

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last year. So using the MyFaces PMC list? Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the

Re: New committers

doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ... :) so, what todo? Bringing it up the MyFaces PMC ? three of the ADF Faces committers are PMC members. Or should we vote on the dev list? (I don't like this usecase) -jean -Matthias --

Re: New committers

Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > Jean- > > thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c > we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project. > > That's why I asked ;) doh. :-) sorry. reading emails too quickly ... -jean > -Matthias > > On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderso

Re: New committers

Jean- thanks for your email, but the adf faces project has no ppmc, b/c we like to be a subproject of our sponsor the myfaces project. That's why I asked ;) -Matthias On 6/21/06, Jean T. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PRO

Re: New committers

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. >> We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. >> >> Where should this happen? > > Isn't there a PPMC list for this?

Re: New committers

No ppmc list has been created for the adffaces donation see here the list of our mailing lists: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-16 Because the goal is to have the ADF Faces dontaion (Trinidad) as a subproject of the MyFaces project. Like the Tobago incubation last year. So using

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently the plan is to leave both the old websites & docs will at the old locations. And XFire will be making release until Celtixfire releases a .0 release. I think Celtix will probably make some 1.x or 1.0.x releases as well. Given that,

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Thomas Dudziak wrote: Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is probably not a good source). You are completely wrong with that. There can be no healthy community without at least minimal mutual

Re: New committers

On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? Isn't there a PPMC list for this? -- justin ---

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Thomas Dudziak wrote: (Btw, I don't know whether it's him anyway, because the name is spelled differently.) It was meant to be Hani Suleiman. I spelled his name wrong on the proposal and corrected it in the wiki immediately proceeding our submission. - Dan -- Dan Diephouse Envoi Solutions htt

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Anyway, I think it is important that we judge a person by what he does rather than by what we think we know about him (and a satiric blog is probably not a good source). If Hani would like to work within the ASF, great, let him do so. And if the project then decides that he does not get the ASF wa

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, you should be on the other side like i was [1] or the tomcat folks were and face it. I higly recommend it. it's depressing and demoralizing to say the least. Sure, it wouldn't be fun if my project were the target of his bile, and I'

Re: Vetoing/Voting in committers?

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Sorry about that. My bad :(. difference between a person, and a public personality - and the blog in question clearly shows that this style is deliberately his 'public personality'. Agreed. Perhaps I simply do not understand all that blog stu

Re: Vetoing/Voting in committers?

Mladen Turk wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: And people in general shouldn't be discussed on this list. Sorry about that. My bad :(. Having read the blog myself, I can't really argue though that his 'approach' isn't germaine to accepting a project he already commits to. There's a subtle

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/21/06, Mika Göckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey! It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion between (some of) the listed intial committers. From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's expressive and not technical (I pe

Re: Vetoing/Voting in committers?

William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: And people in general shouldn't be discussed on this list. Sorry about that. My bad :(. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECT

New committers

Hey folks, the community around the ADF Faces donation (aka Trinidad) is growing. We like to vote on a new committer. Now here is my question. Where should this happen? On the MyFaces PMC list, since MyFaces is the Trinidad / ADF Faces sponsor? On the public dev list for the ADF / Trinidad proje

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:56 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: +1 (as in "will help"). From the text below and the comments in , I assume that the scope of the project will just be the core infrastructure. But you also mention "re

Vetoing/Voting in committers?

Mladen Turk wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'm not sure that a veto applies to whether we accept a podling or not. -- justin Justin's point is that a release can't be vetoed, a policy can't be vetoed. Code can be vetoed. So, if I happen to be a board member, then eventually I would have

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Thomas Dudziak wrote: While I haven't met Hani in person, I don't think it is ok to judge him after his blog. After all it is satire (and damn funny at times). Call me stupid. I don't find his stuff funny. If he has some thoughts about the ASF, then he can very well stay where he is nowadays.

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Well, you should be on the other side like i was [1] or the tomcat folks were and face it. I higly recommend it. it's depressing and demoralizing to say the least. -- dims [1] http://jroller.com/page/fate?entry=axis2_why_bother On 6/21/06, Thomas Dudziak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/21/06

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That kind of person, has nothing in common with anything ASF stands for thought. ASF membership is distinct from committership. If Hani evidences merit for a particular project as judged by his peers on the project, t

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First of all, I don't care about that proposal, but I'll be strongly against having Hani as an ASF community participant. Just take a look at his (Why I hate Tomcat): http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/20060420 That kind of person, has nothing i

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That kind of person, has nothing in common with anything ASF stands for thought. ASF membership is distinct from committership. If Hani evidences merit for a particular project as judged by his peers on the project, then I have zero objections

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Mika Göckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey! It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion between (some of) the listed intial committers. From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's expressive and not technical (I personally don't like too de

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: == Initial Committers == ... * Hani Suileman Wow. Interesting. Never imagined Hani'd come our way. See for example his latest masterpiece from http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/?anchor=defecating_on_a_jd

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: > > In any case, the framework part seems just like what JBI impls like > ServiceMix are doing and what JBI alternates like SCA (Tuscany) are > doing. Since James is a mentor of this maybe he can explain the > relationship (or lack thereof) between Celtixfire and Service

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

Hi, On 6/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We figured that we'd have people volunteering once this was proposed and people saw that there was only me. So please, volunteers for mentor wanted and very welcome! At least 3 more! I wouldn't consider myself fit to be a mentor,

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Hey! It has been chosen from some (weird) alternatives in a discussion between (some of) the listed intial committers. From my point of (not native speaker's) view, it has karma, it's expressive and not technical (I personally don't like too descriptive names or even acronyms). My opinion is,

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: > == Core Developers == The CeltiXfire project's initial committers > include a diverse set of individuals. Some of the individuals are > employed by Envoi Solutions, IONA, BEA, LogicBlaze and Red Hat, and > some are not funded by any

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Sakala, Adinarayana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The CeltiXfire project is... BTW, has the community settled upon this new name or is this just a working name until something better can be selected? -- justin - To u

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

Leo Simons wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Jim Hurley wrote: > > Let the records show that Geir is listed as initial committer too yet probably > doesn't work at sun, unless he switched companies again :) Hey, it's been 6 months already, but no, I'm still at Intel. :) > >>

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:44 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: > > Trying myself, I've always understood XFire to be a direct alternative > > for Axis1 (I have yet to get to grips with Axis2, but I assume > > some of the same is true there), aka a "SOAP stack". Is that somewhat > > true? And then, i

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

FYI, I updated the wiki page [1] to remove the item "Official Build System". I will look into Apache Gump for this purpose. [1] - http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CeltiXfireProposal thanks, Adi > -Original Message- > From: Sakala, Adinarayana > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:45 PM > T

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Declare Woden 1.0.0 M5

Hi Bill, We newbies at Woden have been getting some conflicting messages about the release process for projects in incubation. Back in our M2 timeframe (Dec. 2005) Dims asked us to cross post to the incubator and ws pmc lists [1]. We'd like to follow the proper etiquette but at times we haven't

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

> Well-written proposal. Thanks. > Nevertheless, do you think there's any > chance someone could give a technical summary of the above that the > people who haven't a clue what most of the used acronyms mean can > also understand? The CeltiXfire project is intended for enterprise SOA and Web serv

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Declare Woden 1.0.0 M5

There have been no +0 or -1 votes. I'd like to ask the Incubator PMC again to review this request and vote on it. Etiquite point, not specifically at John himself; Don't crosspost to closed lists! Votes are held on the open lists, that is, your project's dev list, and the [EMAIL PROTECTED] lis

Re: Fw: [VOTE] Declare Woden 1.0.0 M5

+1 from me. Paul On 6/20/06, John Kaputin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So far the candidate Woden M5 release has received one +1 binding vote from Dims but requires two more +1 votes from Incubator PMC members before it can be released. There have been no +0 or -1 votes. I'd like to ask the Incu

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 09:46 -0400, Dan Diephouse wrote: > Please, Hani has been a great contributor to the XFire project: > > http://fisheye.codehaus.org/changelog/~author=hani/xfire/ > > Not only has he contributed code, he has written documentation and > helped users out on the mailing list/ir

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Hi Yoav, > I do think it's useful. If it's a pain to update the proposal to > reflect these individual associations, I apologize. Nope not a pain at all. We will goahead and update the proposal on the wiki[1] to reflect both the affiliation and the project they contributed to. [1] - http://wiki

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 6/21/06, Yoav Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you think its useful to have individual employer? > Obviously if anyone wants more detailed info I am happy to provide that. I do think it's useful. If it's a pain to update the proposal to reflect these indivi

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Hi Dims, Comments inline. Davanum Srinivas wrote: Folks, I don't even know where to start. 32 people? wow! Keep in mind we're merging two distinct communties, its additive. If you have ideas on how to create a somewhat smaller list without presupposing that a person won't contribute, I'm al

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On 6/21/06, Yoav Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you think its useful to have individual employer? > Obviously if anyone wants more detailed info I am happy to provide that. I do think it's useful. If it's a pain to update the proposal to reflect these individual associations, I apologi

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Please, Hani has been a great contributor to the XFire project: http://fisheye.codehaus.org/changelog/~author=hani/xfire/ Not only has he contributed code, he has written documentation and helped users out on the mailing list/irc. While you may not like what he says on his blog, anyone that h

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 01:52:02PM -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: > Below is a project proposal for incubation consideration. Well-written proposal. Merging two codebases is hard though! What is it? --- > Project CeltiXfire is a SOA infrastructure framework focused on > implementatio

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

Cool! A proposal that incorporates by reference is always quite hard to read. Here's some links I personally found relevant... On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:04:16AM -0700, Recordon, David wrote: > The project would start with Yadis [1] for URL/XRI-based service > discovery, OpenID [2] for web based s

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Jim Hurley wrote: > This proposal seeks to create a project within the Apache Software > Foundation to continue the development and advancement of Jini > technology. Cool. All or some of it? > *Proposal for new project Jini* Looks good. What I'm missin

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Hi, The reason why individual employer weren't added for each person is because some might read such individual association to mean that people behind the proposal believe that it is really their companies who are part of the project rather than the individuals. For people who've earned karm

Re: Dublin Docathon

On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:15:57PM -0700, Cliff Schmidt wrote: > On 6/19/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 6/7/06, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That was my plan as well; so I'm pretty flexible. I guess I'd > >> probably prefer not to schedule anything formal o

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

Folks, I don't even know where to start. 32 people? wow! I was looking for discussions on the celtix-dev@ [1] on xfire-dev@ [2] and was unpleasantly surprised when i found nothing. I wanted to get some background on what the integration points are between the 2 engines and did not find any. In f

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:52 -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: > > == Initial Committers == ... > * Hani Suileman Wow. Interesting. Never imagined Hani'd come our way. See for example his latest masterpiece from http://www.jroller.com/page/fate/?anchor=defecating_on_a_jdk: "In a rather perplexi