Re: [FRIAM] it's world logic day!

I also found the branch to normativity odd. Took listening to several rounds of this joust to find quite the right metaphor to express why. If I suddenly became Chaitin, and cared more than anything else about which numbers were random and which weren’t, I would be saddled with a need for crit

Re: [FRIAM] FW: [EXT] Your Coronavirus Tracker

There could be confounds that are systematic from location to location: 1. The number you see as “cases” is of course “positive tests” by one or another measure. Is it possible that Hampshire county is capturing fewer of their actual cases in tests? The absolute numbers are about 4x as large;

Re: [FRIAM] The+Jim+Rutt+Show

s." > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 9:40 AM Stephen Guerin <mailto:stephen.gue...@simtable.com>> wrote: > Yeah, the second Jim Rutt Show we asked people to listen to was the extremist > Eric Smith who claims life is an ecological property of the system and less a > propert

Re: [FRIAM] incitement

I would go Marcus one further. Stupidity, yes, but not only. I think an even heavier point is the t is a sociopath. It simply doesn’t matter to him whether a riot occurs, since it will land on somebody else and not him. Whether sociopaths are “trained” I don’t know, but since his whole l

Re: [FRIAM] incitement

t; definition in federal law. Now I recognize that violation of federal law > > is not required for impeachment. However, I would hope that, just to be > > sure, we would add the charges of “reckless disregard” during the Ellipse > > speech and "dereliction of duty to prote

Re: [FRIAM] tangent from uncanny valley

It’s good that Marcus said specifically “doesn’t express as proteins”, because that can capture both the small fraction that does, and the fact that indeed, the word “junk” is now rather characteristically embarrassing. At the least, we have small regulatory RNAs of several kinds (I am not a sp

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

A story Cormac likes to tell is that Winston Churchill once said the two things people would miss in the post-war world would be a classical education and the horse. I don’t suppose that twitter acronyms — sort of seems like it violates the spirit of twitter, no? If the point were to escape the

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

An even bigger inhibition comes if how you are doing matters to me, and I would rather contribute to helping that than to dragging it down. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Nick, > > "I would hate it if some Good Government A-hole like me would start dictating > what

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

I should have added, in the previous post, that the odd thing is that I know from the earlier exchanges that you already know this, and take some pride in following it. > On Jan 27, 2021, at 10:37 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: > > An even bigger inhibition comes if how you are doing m

Re: [FRIAM] Acronyms

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Re: [FRIAM] coding versus music

Nick, I think you should fine the perspective advanced here very congenial. https://opendocs.github.io/sicp/sicp.pdf I know the people who code for a living will sigh and say “how quaint, what the guy who doesn’t know anything about this work thinks is

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

So I have been watching this, and it looks just like one more wealth-concentrator on the long term, with smaller shifts in the short term that people get caught up looking at because they involve personality conflicts. Will somebody tell me where I am wrong in the following? 1. We start with th

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

hool, flock, pack, ...), but I don't think we are at the edge of a > phase change yet. I'm not sure if all significant radiation events are > paired with extinction events? > Someone made a slightly different correlation than the COVID stay-at-home > free-time-to-consp

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

ery good thumbnail for where I think this is going myself. I suppose there > IS a chance that a new species of oligopolist will emerge in the form of > swarms (school, flock, pack, ...), but I don't think we are at the edge of a > phase change yet. I'm not sure if all sign

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

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Re: [FRIAM] Song of the Day: Manu Chao - Me Llaman Calle Re: Strawman/Steelman

; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7G4vxoDF8 > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j7G4vxoDF8> > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 1:13 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Nick, hi, > > With apologies, it will require more of a dig than I

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

adel, has shed a little light on the > bureaucratic machinery involved. And that's a good thing, no matter which > perspective you take. Those boils need some popping. > > > [⛧] Well, I also loan money to Evil corps so that they mail me their annual > reports and I can atte

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

Your distillations of the American Zeitgeist are awfully good, Marcus. Eric > On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:25 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > EricS writes: > > < I have so often in these emails wished I had an excuse to say what a high > and specific opinion I have of Warren. I view her as a desig

Re: [FRIAM] Strawman/Steelman

>> The larger culture war is about whether we will have the possibility of >> design and experiment. Like in any experiment, unanticipated consequences >> can occur. Beliefs may be falsified along the way. Coherent design can't >> occur if every citizen claims

Re: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos...

Neat. I knew about the murder of crows, but not this term. https://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2009/07/an-unkindness-of-ravens-a-murder-of-crows-naming-things.html#:~:text=An%20Unkindness%20of%20Ravens%3B%20a%20Murder%20of%20Crows.,-Naming%20Things.&text=Names%20given%20the%20colle

Re: [FRIAM] While walking to get tacos...

Actually, Jon, I liked your original final line best. I take your point about Frost, but perhaps there is more about the compositional spirit of Haiku that survives, beyond line and meter counts. The first line will often establish place and condition, frequently with one or another seasonal re

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

> On Feb 8, 2021, at 10:31 PM, > wrote: > > That’s nifty Stephen, > > So we potentially have at least two sorts of motion that the haircells can > detect: motion of the fluid in the channel and motion of the cochlea itself. ? Motion of fluid relative to whatever reference surface anch

Re: [FRIAM] what complexity science says ...

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Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

Aha, Nick! You have Curried the function! Having Ham and Eggs is a function. Having Ham and Eggs given Having Eggs is a Curried function, which now turns on whether you have ham or not as its one argument. Just to cause trouble, Eric > On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:41 PM, > wrote: > > Frank, >

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

What did Obama say in that last Correspondents’ Dinner speech? ~”I said at the start of my presidency that I hoped that the discourse in our politics would change. In hindsight I realize I should have been more specific.” Eric > On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > I was war

Re: [FRIAM] PM-2017-MethodologicalBehaviorismCausalChainsandCausalForks(1).pdf

Nick, There is a character to this conversation like many in this list. There is a thing you do by instinct, which drives me batty and makes me want to call you an Analytical Philosopher and other such insults. Like anything done by instinct (think of Trump’s instinct for instigation), it is

Re: [FRIAM] Nothing to do with nick, do we have a formula

Gillian, I was told several years ago (2018) by a specialist in this area that these extreme southerly dips in the jet stream are a consequence of the weakening of the polar vortex on Earth. It happens I was in Korea at a time corresponding to the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang, and we were fr

Re: [FRIAM] Nothing to do with nick, do we have a formula

ause more energy and heat in the air somehow > causes the colder heavier air to sink to the ground just enough it causes > so much to practically freeze? > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 2:29 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Gillian, > > I

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Nick, hi, I won’t be able to do anything like even a good-faith effort to reply to this thread. The time it would cost me to compose something I wouldn’t either disagree with or regret having written will cost me more shame and punishment for delinquency than I can budget at the moment. Your

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

ance? I > don't need to know where. If so, I'll feel more confident in encouraging them > to read it. > > > On March 24, 2021 4:46:23 PM PDT, David Eric Smith > wrote: >> I will claim that part of the problem is a bad problem in conceptual >> delinea

Re: [FRIAM] Philosophy, Ethics, Academia (PEA)

Glen, I like the fact that you word the following so as to suggest it’s impossible by tautology: > How can there *ever* be any form of capitalism that's NOT "crony"? If there's > a state, the state will be ... [cough] ... leveraged to gain asymmetric power. I like it because the implication th

Re: [FRIAM] lockdowns

Attached to no particular entry in this thread, some tiny points that I think help clean up around edges of things others have said. 1. Dave’s point on CA and FL. I saw a news writeup of the same study he mentions. One of the commenters to that writeup wanted to emphasize that, while De Santi

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

I also found this post fascinating, Marcus, thank you. T’Hooft has been on this program for a long time, and the whole thing mystifies me. He’s a just-enormous mind, and very fastidious in what he considers acceptable argument, so someone very much worth listening to. But why does he think a c

Re: [FRIAM] Free Will in the Atlantic

Hi Marcus, Yes, this gets to the nut of it for me: > On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:48 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Anyway, 't Hooft doesn't say QM is flawed, just that QM isn't an explanation. > He makes the distinction between the value of his idea as an interpretation > vs. the possibility it (C

Re: [FRIAM] A Theory of (Almost) Everything - IEEE Spectrum

I worry that all these conversations are hard to have in a form that is useful for the relevant timescales, because they are all what would be called “partial equilibrium” calculations in Marshall’s terms. Meaning: you take a bunch of systemic properties for which you don’t try to model feedbac

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

This was a nice read, Glen, thank you. > On Apr 20, 2021, at 12:11 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > > I should have linked this: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/podcasts/ezra-klein-podcast-ted-chiang-transcript.html > Several of Chiang’s observations have a ring of insight to me. On just one, fo

Re: [FRIAM] the tragedy of the voice operated lights

I paid for college working for a land surveyor in southern Cal. People there get _really_ nutty over land boundaries. When the Russians start to sell surpluses microwave attack devices on the black market, the first place they will show up is in California over border disputes. > On Apr 20, 20

Re: [FRIAM] water, again (was murder offsets)

and so I turned it > on. Let's just say the "compelling app" is not full of compelling people. > It is one thing to know that these anti-vaxxer people exist, it is another > thing to realize they have a place to talk, and do so. > > -Original Message- >

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Jon, hi and thank you, So, I am not going to be knowledgeable or sophisticated enough to have a conversation with you as an equal on computational complexity classes and algorithms. I can tell you what I was hoping to take from Valiant, on the assumption that it is compatible with the current

Re: [FRIAM] Natures_Queer_Performativity_the_authori.pdf

Just had a very strange physiological experience. Last evening when this came in, I read a few pages. Since it is all irony, snark, and preening, I assumed it is some flavor of post-modernism. Spent 1-2mins reading the abstract that says it invokes Bohr, and violates (as nearly as one can tell

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

Yes, agreed, Russ, with amendments. I wrote some long awful thing on this yesterday and had the good manners to delete without sending. I think capitalism isn’t even about money; there are two issues: capitalist property rights and monetary or financial layers in the economy. I know Glen doesn

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

#x27;s abhorrence of capitalism will maybe find fertile ground > among some members of this group? > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 08:34, Russ Abbott <mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Eric, You explained many of the problems in much more depth and detail than I > di

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

Pieter, there is a good conversation to have here, but these bastards who seem committed to doing _everything_ in bad faith irritate me to the point where I spend time writing FRIAM posts instead of doing anything that will _ever_ benefit anyone or accomplish anything. Yes, the mRNA platform

Re: [FRIAM] FW: (no subject)

The more, that the cart is a system-level outcome of compatibility of interfaces among what are just more desserts, all the way down, though of several different kinds…. > On May 6, 2021, at 5:29 AM, > wrote: > > Oh, and …. this problem … > If that intuition is valid, then the only things S

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

Pieter, hi and thank you, Yes, very good. Let me respond to your root post here, in parallel with whatever other branches may have grown from it. I want to note that the points in Glen’s first reply to the same post speak well for the things that animate me, and are better worded than mine.

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

> > So, on my original key point you and I seem to be in some sort of agreement. > > (Note to self: be more careful to use the spoon in future) > > Pieter > > On Sat, 8 May 2021 at 09:50, David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > Pieter

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

English has two categories of verbs: intransitive and transitive. If you use an intransitive verb — “yet it moves” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you coming: claiming you are representing volition. If you use a transitive verb — “it is moved by gravity” — the Metaphor Nazi will catch you going:

Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

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Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

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Re: [FRIAM] Morphogenisis

> On May 10, 2021, at 4:58 AM, jon zingale wrote: > > Please understand the context for my writing here: while waiting with > bated breath for EricS's response to my prodding[0], I am working to > better understand the larger discussion and to read EricS's paper[1]. I will reply, Jon. That on

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

I heard a nice story at an annual meeting a long time ago: maybe seven or eight years now; maybe a decade. It was in a side-conversation, told by some high-flying economist who had been in the room where it happened. This was soon after Obama had appointed Tim Geithner to try to repair the mes

Re: [FRIAM] The case for universal basic income UBI

m/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-71400-0.pdf > <https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-71400-0.pdf> > > On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 22:21, David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: > I heard a nice story at an annual meeting a long time ago:

[FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one target to preferring another

I assume you all have been following the following: (?) https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/ I had seen bits and pieces of the cl

Re: [FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one target to preferring another

ss. > > From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of David Eric Smith > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:17 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: [FRIAM] How swarms of bees go from preferring one

Re: [FRIAM] individualism promotes altruism?

More like: when you feel your life is precarious and nobody gives a damn about you, you tend to be grasping, defensive, unhelpful, and after generations, belligerent and mean. There’s a lot of editorial on this in US papers these days. When you feel suitably protected, reasonably secure in you

Re: [FRIAM] Coffee Shop

It was the two tin cans that zoom and Webex were modeled on, as Marcus noted. The design presumes there is a dichotomy between speaker and listener roles at every moment. > On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Barry MacKichan > wrote: > > > I can send you two tin cans, but I’m having trouble finding

[FRIAM] Big data forensics

Speaking of big data forensics (which no-one was): https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.18.449051v1.full.pdf Jesse was one of our CSSS students in a wonderful summer school we ran in Qingdao now many years ago. He

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

esponse to her *hunch*. > > It doesn't sound quite right to talk of systematic forensics. It sounds more > right to say systematic bookkeeping for the sake of more publicizing to the > forum. > > On 6/23/21 9:42 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> Speaking of big data fo

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

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Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

Yes, agreed, > On Jun 26, 2021, at 12:41 AM, glen ep ropella wrote: > > So, my sense is not that there's a categorical leap brought on by *scale* so > much as a categorical leap caused by some sort of inter-disciplinary > facility. It's similar to the idea that robust reasoning is an interwov

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

And also yes: > On Jun 26, 2021, at 2:49 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > There are a small number of occasions I can remember that I wish I could > remember how a situation arose. The world goes on roaring around me and > mostly I don't have any influence over it. Nothing is held constant,

Re: [FRIAM] Big data forensics

Thanks Glen, This link is good to know about. > On Jun 26, 2021, at 12:41 AM, glen ep ropella wrote: > > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fcommonfund.nih.gov%2fbridge2ai&c=E,1,aXUvJKYD4ILX9hTVNqjJk2cGrS8SwvAVhd7ja-YI2jxBNSB_yJkVWVG3R_J-tWci0WZYpUlykq5CvrTJF4HuDph396KQkO6_Q8j

Re: [FRIAM] Shared intentionality as the hallmark of multicellular life

What was it the Joker said to Batman in one of the movies? “I don’t want you to die. You — complete me." > On Jun 27, 2021, at 5:05 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > I think viruses are involved in a conspiracy to eliminate us. And they're > using the scientific method. > > --- > Frank C. Wimbe

Re: [FRIAM] The Dream of Florida

You'll be fine, Jochen. Just find some foreigners who have retained some of the habits of cooperation from whatever country they came from, and stay with them. You should be mostly safe that way. Eric > On Jul 1, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > We are planning a vacation in the

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

I think there is some version of this for college tuitions, too, though I am partly muddy-headed and what I say next will probably fail the logical map at some points. The general idea is some combination of what is in Ginsberg’s book https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Faculty-Benjamin-Ginsberg/dp/0199

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

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Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

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Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

t from >> my genes was random right. At what point do get to embrace my merit as of >> my own making? So far as me, myself, is concerned, it’s all luck all the >> way down. That is what the declaration of independence means when it says >> that all [humans] are created equal. >

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

ed through hundreds of anecdotes, > personal and cultural, in Robin Wall Kimmerer's writings (in particular > Braiding Sweetgrass > <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17465709-braiding-sweetgrass>). Instead > of exchanging goods and services based on a sense of "what

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

This is a nice thread. Like any good narrow question, it quickly makes itself insoluble because it gets entangled with the whole wider world. In particular, the final paragraph, which I like, requires us to get back into the morass of “why punish”. > On Jul 16, 2021, at 8:21 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$

Re: [FRIAM] the slow red-pill

ave. > > I've been calling this (pseudo) domain "artificial morality". But that's as > far as I've gotten. 8^D > > On 7/15/21 5:28 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> This is a nice thread. >> >> Like any good narrow question, it q

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Jon, hi, I have owed you a response for a long time. I think I kept imagining that, if I waited long enough, I would learn enough about a couple of things you asked to be able to understand the questions and perhaps answer usefully. At this stage I think I am giving up any systematic hope of

Re: [FRIAM] Collective sensemaking

It is generous (and good), to try to reduce this to something as clean as logical fallacies. Your earlier email was really to the point, though, about motives. Neither here nor there, an anecdote from my own experience. I had not heard of any of these people, as I normally don’t, until Bill Mah

[FRIAM] request for collective memory: degrees of democracy

Dear All, I am very sorry to spam the list because I am a disorganized person and can't ever remember where I saw something. Sometime in the past, an email was circulated that had a research paper on -- if I recall aright -- a way to talk about the degree of democracy a society has, by compari

Re: [FRIAM] City University of Santa Fe

Hi you guys, You are already familiar with this, right? http://ronininstitute.org/ I understand it as trying to solve a concrete and particular problem that lives within the overlaps of both Steve’s and Nick’s points (as I read the two). In gig humanity, everythin

Re: [FRIAM] City University of Santa Fe

k University >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> >> >> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com >> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] On Behalf Of David Eric Sm

Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?

Nick, Many years ago I asked this question of an IT person in Austin (little different, about distributed objects), and he pointed me at this book, which I dutifully got and read: https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Distributed-Objects-Survival-Guide/dp/0471129933

Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?

ology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

Don’t know if it is redundant with material somewhere in this post already, but someone I have met who works in this space (mathematics and quantitative social science of gerrymandering) is Wendy K. Tam Cho at UIUC. http://cho.pol.illinois.edu/wendy/ I found

Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

dent in doing something like what you propose, though I think Price’s paper gives an example of how one could go further than an all-encompassing term to show how invoking “selection” might yield specific category distinctions. All best, Eric > > -Stephen > > > >

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

Nick, hi, I am about to drop permanently off this thread, because the inanity (that could be a typo for insanity) of my year is about to begin, and all time will be lost. But let me try to clarify one thing before leaving. I mean this as an acknowledgment of the respect due to people who are

Re: [FRIAM] new studies confirm existence galaxies almost-no-dark-matter

Thank you for this Glen, This is a really great result, which I had not been following. Eric > On Apr 1, 2019, at 6:25 AM, glen wrote: > > https://news.yale.edu/2019/03/29/new-studies-confirm-existence-galaxies-almost-no-dark-matter > >> The finding was highly significant because it showed t

Re: [FRIAM] a little help from my friends

One could tweak this in even the most blunt way to make it more convincing. The author and his son spend a pretty-much unbearable number of hours sitting in one chair typing on keyboards in front of screens, during which the narrator …. Eric > On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:22 AM, Stephen Guerin >

Re: [FRIAM] AI Musings

There’s a nice subtext to why this is true. It isn’t only the mechanics of the task. People care what bulldozer operators do. > On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close colleague > of Newell and Simon, once sa

[FRIAM] AI perception

So we’ve always known (or, in the modern, post-philosopher-driven era) that human perception is an active process, interrogating the world with pre-registering and presumptive frameworks to host “experience”, which are then activated by whatever is “out there” providing stimuli. (In fairness, K

Re: [FRIAM] TruthGPT

Well at least it was written by a person. ChatGPT would have used valid syntax in the first sentence. > On Apr 20, 2023, at 6:35 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > I was modestly impressed when Musk helped to get OpenAI formed and try to be > "righteous" with it's charter back in 201x? But the way *

Re: [FRIAM] Brad Smith, MSFT President, on AI

That’s actually a strong plus. > On May 28, 2023, at 7:42 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Another fun fact about Rees is his fascination with bugs. Not so much > misanthropy as a desire to see a proliferation of diverse life forms? > >> On May 28, 2023, at 10:03 AM, Russ Abbott wrote: >> >>

Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege

to Wisdom/Stupidity of Crowds? > Seems like LLMs are literally the encapsulation of collective knowledge. > > Sabine's invocation of "Information Cascades" was interesting in contrast > with entrainment and canalization. Will LLMs in some way help us avoid > the

Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege

party ice breaker. Admitting the false >>>>> dichotomy, dog people tend to think of cats as non-social, selfish, >>>>> blahblah. Cat people tend to think of dogs as slobbery, vapid, etc. It's >>>>> complete nonsense born of arbitrary delusions

Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege

. claws, hair vs. fur, cortex or no cortex. A human now would be > insignificantly different from a human then. If the apocalypse doesn't > transform us into something other than human, whatever is rebuilt will be > strikingly similar to what we have now. > > > On 5/28/23 11:29, Dav

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

So there’s a rather concrete way in which one can imagine ChatGPT’s being particularly useful as a time-saver. I have heard it said (and find it persuasive), that philosophy is different from physics because what philosophers want to do and settle for being is different from that for physicists

Re: [FRIAM] Radical Empiricism

hundreds, of pages to be able to > grok that paper. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 7:30 PM David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote: >> So there

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

I didn’t pay to read the economist, but the summary of the article given in the twitter thread is one I like. Meaning: the framework of reasoning they use seems insightful and of the right kind to me. We had a version of it earlier in the Ted Chiang article linked from the Cory Doctorow articl

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

Stephen, thank you for these, Continuous your paragraphs at the bottom, there is a project I have wanted to pursue off and on for 25 years, and which gets cheaper each year. I probably described it before on the list (maybe more than once), in which case apologies for the repeat. The neoclass

Re: [FRIAM] Trees as wind farms.

My guess would be that plants are not energy-limited. At the scale of a leaf on a tree in a forest, or a fiber in a tassel on a wheat-blade in a field, the delivery rate for wind energy is some tiny number — I won’t try to give it here, because I will surely get it wrong — in contrast to light-

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

gulate the graph. I > guess the graph "plus" its complementing shadow is also a (larger?) graph. > But are they different things? Or the same thing? And if they're different > things, meta-things, is there an infinite regress lying about? (e.g. the > parameter graph

Re: [FRIAM] Watch "The Most Important Idea in Physics: The Principle of Least Action - Ask a Spaceman!" on YouTube

Couple of small PSAs: > On Jul 4, 2023, at 12:28 AM, Nicholas Thompson > wrote: > > And why do we keep calling it by it/s cult name, rather than calling it what > it is? The difference between the energy of a moving object conveyed by its > velocity and that conveyed by its position in a fie

Re: [FRIAM] What is an agent [was: Philosophy and Science}

I have had a version of this problem for several years, because I want to start with small-molecule chemistry on early planets, and eventually talk about biospheres full of evolving actors. I have wanted to have a rough category system for how many qualitative kinds of transitions I should need

Re: [FRIAM] What is an agent [was: Philosophy and Science}

organization from simple to > complex via a single mechanism. > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2023, at 7:30 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: >> I have had a version of this problem for several years, because I want to >> start with small-molecule chemistry on early planets, and eventually

Re: [FRIAM] What is an agent [was: Philosophy and Science}

Stephen, Too much good here for me almost-even to be able to read in scarce time, but on your final point 6, about whether various dissipative structures are complex, or not by what measure: Do you know Yoshi Oono’s wonderful idiosyncratic book The Nonlinear World? https://link.springer.com/bo

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