Re: [FRIAM] May you live in interesting times

2025-01-20 Thread Marcus Daniels
I started becoming aware of popular music in the late 70s and was a big disco and Village People fan. Well, I’m turning off the news now, mostly, but I did hear that the Village People were performing at the inauguration. That pretty much says it all: Trump managed to adopt a famous gay anthem

Re: [FRIAM] Into the Great Wide Ocean

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
On 1/20/25 3:11 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Who of you has recommended "Beyond the Outer Shores: The Untold Odyssey of Ed Ricketts, the Pioneering Ecologist who Inspired John Steinbeck and Joseph Campbell" in the last years? If I recall correctly it was Eric. I like the book. Since then I am loo

[FRIAM] May you live in interesting times

2025-01-20 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
To my American friends, As your friendly South African observer, I've been watching the American political scene with great interest (and a bit of amusement). I couldn't help but notice how some describe Trump. Here in South Africa, we've had our share of colorful political figures, but I must say

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
The exercise your colleague conducted with her students really highlights some fascinating insights into contemporary perceptions of the future. It's clear that today's college students, like many others, are significantly influenced by their peers and the media narratives they consume. The prevail

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Santafe
I was at a meeting a couple of months ago, and a colleague I know, whom I have often found thoughtful and interesting, related an exercise she did with one or more classes of her students. She tells them: You have a time machine, and you can go to any time and place. Where will you go? And sh

[FRIAM] International Conference on  ANTICIPATORY SYSTEMS AND ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY. May 22 – 23, 2025, UNAM, Mexico

2025-01-20 Thread Stephen Guerin
Glen, I saw Carlos Getshenson posted this in Complexity Digest today. https://anticipation.philcomp.org/ If FRIAM raised the dollars from its members, can we send you as its envoy to present and report back? 3/4 serious. 1/4 just a funny idea that we would have an envoy and imagine sending you

Re: [FRIAM] International Conference on ANTICIPATORY SYSTEMS AND ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY. May 22 – 23, 2025, UNAM, Mexico

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
I first read this as a solicitation for candidates from FriAM as a "Rosennian philosophical sparring partner" and of course thought of Glen right away (I suppose I could have just "read carefully" instead?). If someone sets up a voting/contributing poll, possibly where the number of votes is p

Re: [FRIAM] death and dying (and disposal)

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
DaveW - morbid, a bit. But, just think what 6 billion or so new trees over the next 100 years would do for climate change. davew pequininos! ala OSC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_for_the_Dead Maybe I'll fill the pockets of my burial garments with a variety of likely tree seeds f

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Jochen Fromm
You are right, I must admit that the formulation "natural ecosystems do not consume more than they give back" was not very lucky. What I meant is that natural ecosystems - left to their own devices - are much more sustainable than our capitalistic, extractive economy. Extractive economy here mea

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread glen
Large deposits of hydrocarbons: Yeah, it kinda looks like a waste to hoard all that stuff. But if you think of it like a battery (or a stock in stocks and flows), some tasks do seem to require a large battery, maybe to get over some hump with a steep energy curve. The question is who uses it an

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
Glen - I've not registered my work-life balance on the 5/7 day workweek for decades (2008?) but fully respect that others do.  In fact, when I was in my LANL day-job, the bulk of my speculative energies were shifted *to* the weekends, not away from them.   As a self-employed person with a con

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread glen
It seems obvious that y'all don't "unplug" on the weekends. Do I have an antiquated conception of a healthy work-life balance? Anyway, the idea that natural subsystems don't consume more than they give back is just wrong ... maybe so ill-formed it's not even wrong. There's some hint of the natur

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Marcus Daniels
Chatting here is the opposite of work. From: Friam on behalf of glen Date: Monday, January 20, 2025 at 8:07 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing. It seems obvious that y'all don't "unplug" on the weekends. Do I have an antiqua

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread glen
IDK. It's like your complaint about video games. Why do work if you're not being paid for it? FriAM is analogous to video games. Some of the posts are Bosses and some are redshirts to hack through on your way to the Boss. But learning to play games designed by other people is, or can be, a good

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
Glen sed: Large deposits of hydrocarbons: Yeah, it kinda looks like a waste to hoard all that stuff. But if you think of it like a battery (or a stock in stocks and flows), some tasks do seem to require a large battery, maybe to get over some hump with a steep energy curve. The question is who

Re: [FRIAM] death and dying (and disposal)

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
On 1/20/25 12:30 PM, Prof David West wrote: No weights, no wrapping. You might never decompose — give back — if you sink to the bottom. Whalefall (in the small)! .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Ap

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Prof David West
Re preemptive pardons: It is unclear if one must accept a pardon for it to be valid (Supreme Court decision on a commuted sentence); but it is clear (earlier Supreme Court decision) that **accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.** A number of 1-6 convicts plan to refuse pardons and fight t

Re: [FRIAM] International Conference on ANTICIPATORY SYSTEMS AND ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY. May 22 – 23, 2025, UNAM, Mexico

2025-01-20 Thread glen
Yeah, that would be a lot of fun. Judith once called me "poisonous" ... or maybe it was "toxic". I'll have to check my email archives. So I doubt my contribution would be well-received. She later back-tracked and lowered her estimation of me to something like "ignorant" or "contrarian" or somesu

[FRIAM] pre-emptive pardons

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
the (media) talk of Biden's pre-emptive pardons this morning seemed to (almost?) suggest that they must be accepted (before he leaves office?) and we've heard that Gen Milley publicly accepted his (informally) while others (Kinzinger?) pre-emptively declined such?   I think the issuance of the

Re: [FRIAM] International Conference on ANTICIPATORY SYSTEMS AND ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY. May 22 – 23, 2025, UNAM, Mexico

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
On 1/20/25 8:04 AM, glen wrote: Yeah, that would be a lot of fun. Judith once called me "poisonous" ... or maybe it was "toxic". I'll have to check my email archives. So I doubt my contribution would be well-received. She later back-tracked and lowered her estimation of me to something like "i

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread Santafe
It’s interesting. The words are simple but the concepts are not simple. In more mechanistic terms, I might write “accepting a pardon is an acknowledgment that an accusatory verdict is what one will have to deal with”. The complex notion of admission of guilt all turns on the question of legiti

Re: [FRIAM] death and dying (and disposal)

2025-01-20 Thread steve smith
Marcus wrote: This reminds me of the simple procedure for storing carbon.  Bury the dead trees. I suppose I should modify my sky-burial platform and my conventional-home-burial and DaveW's "compost" and the Capsula Mundi business and simply arrange my latest HugelKultur bed expansion to f

Re: [FRIAM] Fredkin/Toffoli, Reversibility and Adiabatic Computing.

2025-01-20 Thread glen
I don't think so. The inherent part of Rosen's idea (after having NOT thought about it for years) is the ambiguity that falls out of the modeling relation. (If it's a faithful model, then it all boils down to ambiguity - multiple meanings. If it's a noisy or unfaithful model, then not merely am

[FRIAM] Into the Great Wide Ocean

2025-01-20 Thread Jochen Fromm
Who of you has recommended "Beyond the Outer Shores: The Untold Odyssey of Ed Ricketts, the Pioneering Ecologist who Inspired John Steinbeck and Joseph Campbell" in the last years? If I recall correctly it was Eric. I like the book. Since then I am looking for good books which are similar. Curre

Re: [FRIAM] International Conference on ANTICIPATORY SYSTEMS AND ROSENNEAN COMPLEXITY. May 22 – 23, 2025, UNAM, Mexico

2025-01-20 Thread Stephen Guerin
Steve Smith: Judith is a keynote speaker. https://anticipation.philcomp.org/speakers/ Carlos, will you be attending given your UNAM connection? Or on proposal review committee? Stephen CEO Founder, Simtable.com stephen.gue...@simtable.com Harvard Vis