Re preemptive pardons:

It is unclear if one must accept a pardon for it to be valid (Supreme Court 
decision on a commuted sentence); but it is clear (earlier Supreme Court 
decision) that **accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.**

A number of 1-6 convicts plan to refuse pardons and fight the convicions via 
the normal appellate process precisely for this reason.

davew


On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, at 1:20 PM, steve smith wrote:
> Glen sed:
>> Large deposits of hydrocarbons: Yeah, it kinda looks like a waste to 
>> hoard all that stuff. But if you think of it like a battery (or a 
>> stock in stocks and flows), some tasks do seem to require a large 
>> battery, maybe to get over some hump with a steep energy curve. The 
>> question is who uses it and for what? If we take Pieter's optimism 
>> seriously, maybe our blowing through the fossil fuel battery does end 
>> up getting us over some hump. E.g. we resolve the Meaning Crisis and 
>> come to some high order conception of computation? Or a metaphysics 
>> that closely matches physics? Or if you believe in a life/biosphere 
>> diaspora to the solar system. But it's touch and go whether we'll 
>> collapse (gracefully or catastrophically) or explode into some new 
>> domain that was only reachable by draining the battery.
>
> I think it was a Neal Stephenson fiction which suggested that the Suez 
> Canal was built by steam-shovels (drag-link earth movers?) fueled by a 
> huge supply of mummies wrapped in cloth and soaked in crude oil for 
> preservation?  Not as dense as coal, but convenient?    Fits right into 
> my sparring with DaveW on morbid ways to dispose of human remains?
>
> I don't know what the Suez Canal provides lowered  friction for, but I'm 
> guessing it is significantly moving fossil-fuels (mostly liquid?  mostly 
> refined?)...
>
>>
>> I was avoiding the news for a month or so after the election. But now 
>> my attitude is that we need a clown like Trump to lay bare our 
>> oligarchy. The oligarchy thrives under Bidens and Obamas just as much 
>> as under Putin or Trump. It's just that the pig has some lipstick on 
>> it under the Obamas and Bidens. It think we'll begin to suss out some 
>> of the differences between the US and, say, Russia or Hungary as we 
>> slide a few notches in that direction. The trick is to be 
>> disinterested without becoming disaffected.
>
> See my maunderings on bistable, metastable, fascism, etc.   Are fascism 
> and oligarchy distinct lobes in a metastable system?   I do think that 
> when Musk threw down for Trump and the other near-Trillionaire tech-bros 
> joined him, our trajectory went more toward the oligarchic style of fascism?
>
> I'm not watching the inaugural events but did enjoy being "present" to 
> hear of the Biden pre-emptive pardons... I'm guessing there are more 
> than a few other "easter eggs" distributed throughout the day?   Any 
> chance someone will give Trump a tour of the Capitol with special 
> attention to the places his "patriots" smeared feces?   Probably not.
>
> Interesting times...
>
>
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