Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread thompnickson2
f Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the participants will read th

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Jon Zingale
"I assume our privacy follows from our lack of importance. To others." This is the sense that I have always understood the statement: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..." That we,

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
oncerns. Also, being an up-tight easterner, I am > probably more self-canceling than many of you. Finally, my die is already > cast. But *should I* be listening to what I write with an Other Ear? > For your sakes, at least? > > > > I suggest we start another thread: “What Cannot

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread thompnickson2
day, October 27, 2021 12:57 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the participants will read these conversations? If you're referring to your hope that

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Invoking Jesus.. Jesus, what desperation to protect this claim! From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
om that my professional obscurity conveys that I never worry >> about such reputational concerns. Also, being an up-tight easterner, I am >> probably more self-canceling than many of you. Finally, my die is already >> cast. But *should I* be listening to what I write with an O

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution > > > > Nick, where did the concept come from that persons other than the > participants will read these conversations? If you're re

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Hah, what was that you said about everyone being narcissistic? (I’m not so sure it is so.) From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:57 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Nick

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
gt; cast. But *should I* be listening to what I write with an Other Ear? >> For your sakes, at least? >> >> >> >> I suggest we start another thread: “What Cannot Be Said On Friam” and >> explore this matter carefully. >> >> >> >> Nick >> &g

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win". Very obnoxious. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Cannot Be Said On Friam” and > explore this matter carefully. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, October

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread thompnickson2
<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 10:50 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution It'

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
It's a form of scorn and derision to say, for example, "You lose; I win". Very obnoxious. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 8:02 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean? > > On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Fr

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Excellent! Thanks. My complete ignorance forced me to duckduckgo it. The results were mostly useless. But Urban Dict seems to work: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Neener-neener One of the definitions also raises the brinkmanship aspect Nick seemed to include (with "I'm more po

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Steve Smith
On 10/27/21 7:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. It would seem there are many regional and quasi-genera

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Steve Smith
On 10/27/21 7:34 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. For some reason, I feel like King Arthur at the base of the French castle in The Holy Grail: https://youtu.be/QSo0duY7-9s I do believe that one

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
That's unhelpful. 8^D What does it mean? On 10/27/21 6:53 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think.  It's heard > on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s.  In Mexico they sing, > "lero, lero, lero",  using the same notes. > > > O

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
Most people would spell that, "nanner, nanner, nanner", I think. It's heard on playgrounds all over, or it was in the 40s and 50s. In Mexico they sing, "lero, lero, lero", using the same notes. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Oct

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-27 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I have no idea how to respond to this post. I don't know what "neener, neener, neener" means, unfortunately. But the grand narrative I'm talking about is the (I suppose Rawlsian?) social contract, including the wall of ignorance. That's distinct, I think, from the altruism of joining a collectiv

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 1:55 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Well, I'm not fluent enough to kno

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
> -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:08 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution > > Ugh. Sorry for this: Holton, not Houlton: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
fish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Ugh. Sorry for this: Holton, not Houlton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Holton And the semantic slippery slope from moral equivalent to inalienable rights is just nonsense, trickery that should never be forgiven. Now, where I di

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Ugh. Sorry for this: Holton, not Houlton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Holton And the semantic slippery slope from moral equivalent to inalienable rights is just nonsense, trickery that should never be forgiven. Now, where I disagree with Dave is that it might be possible to establish so

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
mpson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 9:02 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution from Glen's post: Holton: [...] Can you and I, as an intellectual exercise, think o

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
at he was kin. nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 8:46 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Very cool! I&

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread thompnickson2
ress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 8:32 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution I simply don't get this part of your post. If I replace "textualism" and &q

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread Prof David West
from Glen's post: *Holton: [...] Can you and I, as an intellectual exercise, think of anything wrong with, all people are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights? That’s not the whole story, but I can’t find anything wrong with that. Can you?* "endowed by their

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Very cool! I've added Fragments to my wishlist. I'm wondering how/if it relates to black radicalism, of which I'm still completely ignorant. Egalitarianism was briefly covered in the podcast: Holton: [...] Can you and I, as an intellectual exercise, think of anything wrong with, all people are

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-26 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I simply don't get this part of your post. If I replace "textualism" and "textualist" with "originalism" and "originalist", then it makes some sense. But the textualists are trying to keep the document *current*, right? It's the originalists who want the document to mean the same thing it meant

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Eric Charles
Wil Wheaton - best known for playing Wesley Crusher on Star Trek, and related appearances on Big Bang Theory - turns out to be a really cool guy, who went through some traumatic stuff during his childhood celebrity days. He gave a relevant answer to a fan question on this topic: Q: I have more of

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
Good way to get a heart attack. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 4:17 PM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Nick, the problem here is context. Time moves on and change happens, both > positive and negative. Now we have post-col

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Nick, the problem here is context. Time moves on and change happens, both positive and negative. Now we have post-colonialism, BLM, and #metoo. What I think is interesting is that these internet-driven movements create a more distributed "Hero" cohort, whose charisma doesn't lead to worship, but

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Jochen Fromm
"What do we do when we discover that people who have achieved great things have also done great harms"Good question. The Greek philosopher Aristotle ("We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit”) was a teacher of Alexander the Great, who longed for world dominatio

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Prof David West
This seems like an appropriate point to recommend a small book: *Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology* David Graeber (asst. Prof, anthroplogy, Yale) Prickly Paradigm Press [love the publisher name] Chicago www.press.uchicago.edu www.prickly-paradigm.com I believe that, within the book, some s