Yes. Thanks for the correction. Holton. I get it confused with Houlton, ME, which, by the way, is right next to Old Town, Me.
Look. Rights are things we give one another by incurring obligations. The document should have read: "All people are created equal and they are endowed by their association with certain unalienable obligations, basically, not to get in one another's way more than is absolutely necessary and to help one another when the chips are down. " It's funny because it's a declaration of independence; it never occurred to them that they had to write a declaration of association. Hence the constitution, six years later. Nick Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 12:08 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution Ugh. Sorry for this: Holton, not Houlton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Holton And the semantic slippery slope from moral equivalent to inalienable rights is just nonsense, trickery that should never be forgiven. Now, where I disagree with Dave is that it might be possible to establish some intrinsic properties of living systems (e.g. negentropy) that do imply intrinsic rights. So the moral equivalence lies somewhere in the technical definition (perhaps via integrated information theory or somesuch). But the extension to "rights" would then be "Every negentropic kernel has the *right* to *try* to maintain/increase order within -- and thereby increase disorder without." I.e. a "right to life". But even if they fail in their execution, they were still negentropic for at least a little while. And they are equal in that temporally and spatially scoped technical sense. On 10/26/21 10:22 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > I agree with Houlton that “All men are created equal AND they are endowed by > their Creator with certain unalienable rights …” is a pretty good place to > start. You will recall that I even think this leads in theory to a prejudice > against inheritance and in practice to taxing the crap out of rich people, in > which category I count most of us. > > > > With respect to Dave’s “Boo God” comment, I of course agree. My only > acquaintance with god was as something that came into being when my father > hit his thumb with a hammer. But it is fascinating to read the above words > in context. See > https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript > <https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript> -- "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." ☤>$ uǝlƃ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
