Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
my take exactly. n On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 7:16 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > I suppose my reading of the quote would be something like: > > "When confronted with a problem, humans organize to the beat of canonical > hours into a machine that can scrape, pierce, knock, or shred as most bigly > as poss

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
He made no sense. None of them do. From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2024 4:59 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] nice quote Marcus - I tried to sort your point... I appreciated the (simplistic but potent?) NYT American Myths bit, but not clear

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
Marcus - I tried to sort your point...  I appreciated the (simplistic but potent?) NYT American Myths bit, but not clear if we are talking about the same Kazcynski?  While he did (obviously) take the position colinear with "might makes right" ("right justifies might?") I don't think he was ever

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM glen wrote: > But to suggest that it's "godlike" says more about the person than it does > about the state of technology. > Yes, and to suggest that it's not 'godlike' says more about the person's likeness of God than it does about the state of technology. -. --

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
Nick - I don't mind offering my sense of what the aphorism is all about, I just want to give others a chance to chime in before I start defending myself in my overly-voluminous manner. Can you meet me half-way with *any* sense of signal in what you are suggesting might be pure noise (or misd

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
SG  and DALL-E - Good rendering, the only thing you got wrong is that one of my legs is still original... no need to oil that one yet! -SS On Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 3:49 PM steve smith wrote: Nick -     And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out on my lithp?! 

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
Wasn't a paper linked to here that said that the only solution to the existential problem of climate change is to reduce the population of the earth to 1 billion from 8 billion? "OK team, count off: /1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, /*/8/ !*" "everyone whose number is a prime not in the /Fibonacci s

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I am trying not to be a jerk here, but maybe jerkiness Is so centralto my being that I cannot avoid it. I promise you, the question was not meant to be (entirely)rhetorical. Glen has long since taught me that nobody uses words for absolutely nothing and if you folks see some meaning in that aphor

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
Nick -     And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out on my lithp?!  ;^)     The strawman arguments have started coming out, I wonder if anyone will gen up a steelman? - tinman Steve On 10/5/24 11:26 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: So in what sense and for what purposes

Re: [FRIAM] pseudo-adiabatic process

2024-10-05 Thread Jon Zingale
I saw this and liked how it echoes with my post. Science is hard. On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 1:00 PM Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > After bullying GeorgeIV for a couple hours, I got this superb answer out > of him. > > *Summary:* > > In *pseudo-adiabatic calculations*, we disregard: > >- *Condens

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Santafe
probably by me. Could have been Bill Reese or one of those. Jim Rutt had a podcast with a couple who identify as “pro-natalist”. They are concerned to keep population high so that pyramid payments like social safety nets don’t get too strained. They refer to it as “crazy” that anyone could be

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Prof David West
Our science illuminates global warming. Our political institutions are incapable of crafting solutions absent so many loopholes as the make the exercise near pointless. Individuals operating in those institutions are driven by greed, power lust, ego, and all manner of what the Buddha called "at

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
The myths of America seems to be at the root of so much of this. The idea that we can take from the planet (or the solar system) from the “other”, and each other with no consequence somehow gets rationalized by the likes of Kaczynski, Musk, or Bannon as the essential property of freedom. Explo

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
A belief later espoused by the Unabomber. My "Gaia Shrugs more Bigly" may well be me channeling ole Kaczynski hisself.  I think Wilson's quote was in his 2000ish "Conscilience"?  I don't know if K made a similar observation?  I did read his manifesto back in the day but it is long integrated

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread steve smith
All /Pithy Aphorisms/ are wrong, some are useful? On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West wrote: my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading, not a literal one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates of evolution. I also would have eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magica

Re: [FRIAM] nice quote

2024-10-05 Thread Prof David West
my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading, not a literal one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates of evolution. I also would have eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magical' ala Clarke's dictum about any sufficiently advanced technology. davew On Fri, Oct 4, 2024,