Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6557/931 https://static1.squarespace.com/static/595bda4abebafb281989df79/t/5bf79fcc1ae6cf43c28db3ed/154295497 On Aug 19, 2021, at 8:54 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: I know, right? Damned millennial hustlers with their 10 side-jobs and gluten-free diets. Get of

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
So Marcus, Your response is interesting. What I was thinking of as the inflammation was BLM, or the fact that the Georgia organizers were able to get enough voters out to get all three of Biden, Warnock, and Ossof into office, which even with their same heroic efforts over years I don’t think

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
There is an angle on this that I have wondered about. In a sort of short-term sense, it would have been very gratifying for SARS-CoV-2 to have killed trump. You know that tired trope: God is dead — Nietzche Nietzsche is dead — God Same idea. But as I think of it, I think that

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Prof David West
Nick, Like Steve, I was gravely disappointed in the book. I had been studying Eastern philosophies for nearly thirty years when it was published so one level of disappointment was the lack of anything new, even a new perspective. The whole mental illness / introspection / Phaedrus persona / son

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Steve Smith
EricS > > Fascist Quorum Sensing When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference  it, though more specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice.   Having once been a holder of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 1:31 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: > > The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has tested positive for the virus, > although he is fully vaccinated. He has no symptoms but receives the same > $100,000 Regeneron treatment as Donald Trump, maybe because he sits in a > wheelchair a

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an adjuvant in a vaccine. Just having the antigen leaves room for highly variable responses, because if you don’t manage the inflammatory response that initiates the immune response, you have only a weak control system. Tr

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Jochen Fromm
Good point. Yes, governors, presidents and chancellors should receive special protection. But if politicians do not care that their people get the best protection (for example because they oppose masks which obviously help against a respiratory disease - both governor Abbott and former president

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: FREE Webinar: Introduction to Modeling Process

2021-08-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
via GIPHY On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tom Johnson wrote: > Perhaps of interest. > TJ > > > -- Forwarded message - > From: System Dynamics Society > Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:45 PM > Subject: FREE Webinar: Introduction

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - I read it when it was fairly new and I was very young.   The interwebs (I mean, whatever vapid popular culture rode on top of in those days) was aflutter and I was a voracious reader, a motorcycle owner/rider/maintainer, and I was enamored of the idea of eastern mysticism in spite of the ha

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Phaedrus by Plato https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1636 On 8/19/21 12:46 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Dave: > >   > > As usual, my [conscious] motives were not so high falutin’.  As usual I am > trying to get others to think with me because I cannot think alone.  To the > extent that I

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread thompnickson2
Dave: As usual, my [conscious] motives were not so high falutin’. As usual I am trying to get others to think with me because I cannot think alone. To the extent that I am a philosopher, it probably is because of that book and I am really interesting in the role it played in the lives of o

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Nick, do you know Phaedrus? On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 7:46 PM wrote: > Colleagues, > > > > I wonder if Pirsig’s *Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance *was a > thing for any of you, and if you would be interested in pursuing a thread > about it and, if so, if you would be willing to get it down

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Gary Schiltz
Is it right? Is it right that I can eat steak and some can’t afford enough rice and beans? The world is grossly unfair I’m sure I’m not the only one who struggles with the unfairness of the world. The question is what to do about it. How much social disruption would occur from a governor dying in

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Prof David West
Nick, I know you are a mystic but you have yet to acknowledge same, so it is not Zen that motivates you. My best guess with be a perceived metaphor/analogy between yourself and the kata of gardening to Pirsig and the kata of motorcycle maintenance. davew On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, at 8:46 PM, th

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Related: Profiteering from vaccine inequity: a crime against humanity? https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2027 Antibody Cocktails to Treat Covid Take Off as Delta Surges https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-16/once-rare-antibody-cocktails-to-treat-covid-take-off-amid-delta On 8/19/2

[FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

2021-08-19 Thread Jochen Fromm
The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, has tested positive for the virus, although he is fully vaccinated. He has no symptoms but receives the same $100,000 Regeneron treatment as Donald Trump, maybe because he sits in a wheelchair and belongs to a risk group. Is it right that famous politicians ar

[FRIAM] semper fi! (was vax v unvax)

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Excellent! But if it's a strawman, it's a good faith one. Tami suggests that her "articles of faith" are as high fidelity as my articles of faith ... purposefully warping my language in order to use the word "fidelity". Feyerabend is one of my favorite people. And the argument is good, one my p

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I know, right? Damned millennial hustlers with their 10 side-jobs and gluten-free diets. Get off my lawn! On 8/19/21 8:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Whatever happened to getting paid a lot of money to anticipate the wishes of > your employer? > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Be

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Whatever happened to getting paid a lot of money to anticipate the wishes of your employer? -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 8:22 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax Maybe. But we pay her $150 for 3 hours of work.

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Maybe. But we pay her $150 for 3 hours of work. That's $50/hr. She also takes things we no longer want, like my old acoustic guitar, and sells them on ebay. Saves us a trip to Goodwill. So, while tipping her seems reasonable, I feel like we're already treating her quite well. There's a point whe

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Excellent. Thanks for the Gelman and Morris explanations. > > As for paying for a couple of days off for Tami, she's only here for ~3 > hours every 2 weeks. So, it's unclear how to go about giving her 2 days > off... I'd gladly pay her $100 or so

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
What boggles my mind is that the aggregated results are so consistently wrong. The aggregated efficacy of 67.5% is less than all the stratified efficacies. The 2 group efficacies are less than 9 out of 10 of the 10 group efficacies. I imagine plotting this and getting a little firework as the ef

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Marcus Daniels
Show respect by showing her the door. If someone wants clean contracts that don't stress their emotional modulation, give it to them. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2021 7:04 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax I a

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread Gary Schiltz
Glen, that has to be the comment of the day winner. Well said! On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 9:07 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > I appreciate that. But while I'm taking her and her ideas seriously, > discussing them calmly while holding a cup of coffee, people who hold those > very same ideas are carrying AR-15

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread thompnickson2
All or any, Already, I am struck by the range of “lessons” we saw in that book. Nicholas Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Roger C

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread thompnickson2
October Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 11:29 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Excellent. Thanks for the Gelman and Morris explanations. As for paying for a couple of days off for Tami, she's only here for ~3 hours every 2 weeks. So, it's unclear how to go about giving her 2 days off... I'd gladly pay her $100 or so to go get the free vaccine. But my guess is that would b

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
I appreciate that. But while I'm taking her and her ideas seriously, discussing them calmly while holding a cup of coffee, people who hold those very same ideas are carrying AR-15 rifles and Don't Tread on Me flags while marching around downtown in desert fatigues, claiming they'll break into th

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
It's available on Amazon as paperback, hardcover and ebook: https://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Motorcycle-Maintenance-Anniversary-ebook/dp/B0063HC7EQ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=zen+and+the+art+of+motorcycle+maintenance&qid=1629378375&s=digital-text&sr=1-1 I read the book eons ago and I remember very

[FRIAM] AI creates new inventions

2021-08-19 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
"At first glance, a recently granted South African patent relating to a “food container based on fractal geometry” seems fairly mundane. The innovation in question involves interlocking food containers that are easy for robots to grasp and stack. On closer inspection, the patent is anything but mu

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

2021-08-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
Searching "Zen and the art of" as a title in the Boston Public Library yields 101 results. There are two ecopies of ZAMM with 18 holds queued, could take as much as 18 weeks to reach the head of the queue. Eugen Herrigel's Zen in the Art of Archery has this comment from a library patron: First I

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

2021-08-19 Thread David Eric Smith
Indeed, Roger, Spirit of fun in the original already very clear. Why I get some sort of pleasure, when there is already a perfectly good reductio ad absurdum, in looking for ways to change its appearance of tautology, I do not understand. Fortunately _that_ is not an important question. Eri