Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

On 20/07/2025 19:15, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote: (Also thanks for information about the editors) If you're after a compact, no-frills text editor, I recommend checking out SVED (it's not on Liam's website). SVED is a super-light editor. Although I developed it for SvarDOS, it runs seaml

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 5:58 PM Liam Proven via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > You must be careful with mailing list replies. Leave in the header > about who said what, because in this message, you are combining lines > quoted from 2 different mails from 2 different pe

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 at 22:51, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. You must be careful with mailing list replies. Leave in the header about who said what, because in this message, you are combining lines quoted from 2 different mails from 2 different people. And I disagree wi

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Thanks for the reply. What's your point? > I was just curious what features I would miss if I use for example DR-DOS 3.41 instead of DR-DOS 7.03. Well it's not really important as I'm not planning to do some stuff that requires a certain level of performance and features. And as you said it also

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> If I get it right, DR-DOS 3.41 is small in size, offers more free RAM, and > is designed for 16-bit. For such reasons, it's more suitable for my setup. +1 > I would still like to ask, since DR-DOS 3.41 is an earlier release, some > features will be cut compared to newer ones for sure. But to w

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Not very useful these days, but yes, some areas of the 640-1MB range were indeed usable for dos ram.  One particular was if you had a monochrome monitor, you could allocate the other portion of ram that color monitors used.  I don't recall how much that added, but then there was certain hard di

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Thank you for the insights. I was not really aware of memory management and I didn't really question in advance which DOS version fits my machine best. I did spend a lot of time installing FreeDOS 1.4 and it runs, however that doesn't mean it's a good choice. If I get it right, DR-DOS 3.41 is sma

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 at 16:14, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote: > By the way, among MS-DOS 6.22, DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS 1.0, how should I > choose the "best" one if I were to? What are the differences? None of them. All built for 32-bit machines with memory management. Like I said: DR-DOS 3.41.

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 at 16:06, Eric Auer via Freedos-user wrote: > but on older > CPU, it can easily happen that your mainboard can > support RAM which actually is in UMB areas. I was an expert in DOS memory optimisation 35 years ago. This was _extremely_ rare and either needed very specific hard

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Liam Proven said: > No, you cannot use UMBs on anything less than an 80386. > Emulated or not makes no difference. While he has more DOS experience than me, AFAIR UMBs were memory blocks between 640Kb and 1Mb, part of the real mode address space and could be used in any PC, as long as physica

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> > No, you cannot use UMBs on anything less than an 80386. Emulated or > not makes no difference. Well UMBs do usually work with PocketDOS. In the default config file provided by PocketDOS a UMB driver is loaded. You can also visit PocketDOS' official website then go to "

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Hi! No, you cannot use UMBs on anything less than an 80386. Why that? On 386 or newer, you can map RAM from above 1 MB to UMB areas in software, but on older CPU, it can easily happen that your mainboard can support RAM which actually is in UMB areas. You could even use part of your VGA RAM

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 at 03:19, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote: > Is it still possible to use UMBs in this specific case? This is a simplification but not an oversimplificiation, IMHO. No, you cannot use UMBs on anything less than an 80386. Emulated or not makes no difference. There are exceptio

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> On Jul 9, 2025, at 1:02 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user > wrote: > > I know very little about UMB, hopefully that's not something too > high-level... Well for now I will write in the HPC forum what I've done to > get to this point, and also ask about UMB. Maybe someone there can get it > wor

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I know very little about UMB, hopefully that's not something too high-level... Well for now I will write in the HPC forum what I've done to get to this point, and also ask about UMB. Maybe someone there can get it working. If I did find a way in the end I will share it here :) On Wed, Jul 9, 2025,

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> On Jul 9, 2025, at 12:22 PM, jer...@shidel.net wrote: > > Well, if there is usable RAM above 650k, you may be able to get some working > UMBs. > If there is usable RAM above 640k… :-)___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.n

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> On Jul 8, 2025, at 10:16 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user > wrote: > > What version of TAR did you try? > > In one of the replies, you mentioned two links to two different versions of > TAR: > > So, either use the latest Interim Test build of FreeDOS available at > https://www.ibiblio.org/pu

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> > What version of TAR did you try? > In one of the replies, you mentioned two links to two different versions of TAR: So, either use the latest Interim Test build of FreeDOS available at > https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/test/ > Or, download the current ve

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Hi,(Sent from my phone. So it will be brief.)On Jul 7, 2025, at 9:46 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote:Well let me explain what I have done so far.If I understood correctly, your idea is essentially to first copy KERNEL and FREECOM from X86BOOT.IMG to the HDD using SYS, then find a way to copy a

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Well let me explain what I have done so far. If I understood correctly, your idea is essentially to first copy KERNEL and FREECOM from X86BOOT.IMG to the HDD using SYS, then find a way to copy all the other files from the FreeDOS installed on the VirtualBox VM. So I successfully used SYS to trans

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> On Jul 5, 2025, at 12:24 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user > wrote: > > PocketDOS only recognizes HDD and DSK as far as I tested. > > I also tried installing FreeDOS on VirtualBox into an HDD using LiveCD > instead of Floppy Edition, then sending the HDD to my device. That didn't > work either

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PocketDOS only recognizes HDD and DSK as far as I tested. I also tried installing FreeDOS on VirtualBox into an HDD using LiveCD instead of Floppy Edition, then sending the HDD to my device. That didn't work either. As another attempt I created a blank HDD with PocketDOS, copied this HDD to my la

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I suspect what's happened is that Lutalli has partitioned the disk, rebooted, then got this message. That's because the virtual machine has now recognized that there's a partition on the first disk drive that is marked Active, and it's trying to boot from it. But there's nothing installed there ye

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

> On Jul 4, 2025, at 9:45 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user > wrote: > > Update: I tried again and now it shows "Non-system disk or disk error". > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2025, 03:28 Lutalli > wrote: > I'm happy to hear that I don't have to worry about VASK being used by the

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Update: I tried again and now it shows "Non-system disk or disk error". On Sat, Jul 5, 2025, 03:28 Lutalli wrote: > I'm happy to hear that I don't have to worry about VASK being used by the > OS post install! That was a big concern for me. > > Alright this is what I have done so far: On VirtualB

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

I'm happy to hear that I don't have to worry about VASK being used by the OS post install! That was a big concern for me. Alright this is what I have done so far: On VirtualBox, I created a virtual DOS machine, set the hard disk to HDD (I chose this because all the tutorials about PockDOS I've rea

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On Jul 2, 2025, at 11:00 PM, Lutalli via Freedos-user wrote:Oh, if the installation might take that long then maybe installing on a VM on the PC then copying all the files is better indeed.Honestly, I’d recommend doing it that way. Compression was a trade off. Either cut the number of diskettes i

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Yup, that will work.While the full set of V8PT is installed, most are not used by the OS at that point.Post install, I think only VECHO (provides nice colored text), VINFO, VFDUTIL and VSTR are used a present. So, no worries about accidentally running VASK, VCHOICE or VPAUSE once installed. On Jul

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Oh, if the installation might take that long then maybe installing on a VM on the PC then copying all the files is better indeed. On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, 04:48 Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > There is a 3rd possibility. It could be an issue with VASK reg

Re: [Freedos-user] A few questions about installing

Just reread your email.The is no need to recompile the Floppy Installer. The installer itself is a Batch file that relies on external tools. The logic is all batch based on the responses from those tools. Most of which is handled by V8Power Tools. But, other utilities like FDISK play a big part in

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> > but is there a way to modify the source code and recompile it to an IMG > file? > I figured this can be done by WinImage (for example). After opening X86BOOT.IMG using WinImage, I can delete SETUP.BAT, inject an edited version of SETUP.BAT, then save the IMG file. Using this method, I tried c

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There is a 3rd possibility. It could be an issue with VASK regarding CGA. It is possible that not being at least EGA, it may have a problem. Like I said, almost no testing on Sub-EGA hardware.But honestly, you are probably better off installing to a standard VM like VirtualBox or QEMU. Creating a b

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Thanks for all the replies! Well I'm not sure if I should contact PocketDOS's developer to ask him to check if it's a bug in the BIOS implementation (maybe I will). And I don't know how to debug this myself... As a debugging step, it would be interesting to boot the PocketDOS VM > with the FreeDO

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On Wed, Jul 2, 2025 at 10:47 AM Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user wrote: > [..] > While it is not impossible there is a bizarre bug in VASK, it works > fine in the other virtual machines and real hardware that has been > tested. I highly suspect there is an issue with the PocketDOS BIOS > implementat

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On 7/2/2025 3:46 PM, Jerome Shidel via Freedos-user wrote: rst the CD and USB installers Require a 386 or better CPU. CDs were not really available until 486 machines. Even then they were not common until Pentium based machines arrived. USB came after CD-ROM. Not exactly true, but understa

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> On Jul 2, 2025, at 11:00 AM, Lutalli via Freedos-user > wrote: > > Thanks for the replies! Sorry for not providing the context, and yeah > PocketDOS is an emulator for WindowsCE, so mainly for pocket PCs / handheld > PCs. > > Website of PocketDOS: http://pocketdos.com

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Thanks for the replies! Sorry for not providing the context, and yeah PocketDOS is an emulator for WindowsCE, so mainly for pocket PCs / handheld PCs. Website of PocketDOS: http://pocketdos.com After some research I figured it's true that PocketDOS supports only up to 186. Thanks for pointing thi

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Hi, On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 9:18 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user wrote: > > Just to save others the search: I didn't remember what PocketDOS was, and > assumed by the name it was some other version of DOS. > > >>"PocketDOS is a powerful virtual PC software environment for your pocket > >>computer t

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Just to save others the search: I didn't remember what PocketDOS was, and assumed by the name it was some other version of DOS. >>"PocketDOS is a powerful virtual PC software environment for your pocket computer that allows you to run a DOS operating system and have instant access to many DOS appl