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Re: Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > http://features.linuxtoday.com/stories/8191.html > > > > A story on upcoming plans for the Linux 2.4 kernel. Since they're > > going after a lot of the same performance goals we are, it's worth a > > r

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Re: Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread David Scheidt
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > http://features.linuxtoday.com/stories/8191.html > > > > A story on upcoming plans for the Linux 2.4 kernel. Since they're > > going after a lot of the same performance goals we are, it's worth a > >

Re: SURVEY: Sound cards that work under FreeBSD

1999-07-30 Thread Rich Neswold
If memory serves, didn't John Reynolds~ say: > > 1) The sound card make and model/chipset. Please be as specific as you > can with board rev numbers if possible. Please include wether the card is > ISA or PCI. Crystal Tidalwave32 -- plug-n-play ISA card CSN 1 Vendor ID: XTL0005 [0x05008c62] > 2)

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Re: Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > http://features.linuxtoday.com/stories/8191.html > > A story on upcoming plans for the Linux 2.4 kernel. Since they're > going after a lot of the same performance goals we are, it's worth a > read. It seems to me that a lot of the features mention

Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
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Re: SURVEY: Sound cards that work under FreeBSD

1999-07-30 Thread Rich Neswold
If memory serves, didn't John Reynolds~ say: > > 1) The sound card make and model/chipset. Please be as specific as you > can with board rev numbers if possible. Please include wether the card is > ISA or PCI. Crystal Tidalwave32 -- plug-n-play ISA card CSN 1 Vendor ID: XTL0005 [0x05008c62] > 2

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Re: Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread Alex Zepeda
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Hey kernel hackers, this is worth a read.

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
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Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <37a25361.34799...@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : Disabling bpf it will break rarpd (and also rbootd but it is less : important). I think such a thing should be mentioned in documentation. Not if they are started before the secure level is raised. Warner To Unsubscribe: s

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
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Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > The only other major feature is the nq leasing stuff for cache coherency, > but it is highly experimental and you probably shouldn't use it. Plus > very few other OS's support it. heh... I'm just happy when the stuff works that's s

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sergey Babkin writes: : Disabling bpf it will break rarpd (and also rbootd but it is less : important). I think such a thing should be mentioned in documentation. Not if they are started before the secure level is raised. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMA

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". : :Disabling bpf it will break rarpd (and also rbootd but it is less :important). I think such a thing should be mentioned in documentation. : :-SB Not if rarpd is started via the rc files... it would hook up to bpf prior to the secureleve

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Sergey Babkin
Warner Losh wrote: > > In message > "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > : And how about having > : if (securelevel > 3) > : return (EPERM); > : in bpf_open()? > > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". Dis

Re: RE: DOC volunteer WAS:RE: userfs help needed.

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Anyway, Mr. Dillon, once I have a development box to smack around, I :intend to start with your suggestion of implementing a filesystem :of my own concoction by returning an error for all VOP calls and :issuing a kernel printf. How visible will the new VOP code be to :me at this level? The Peng

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 03:27:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Funnily, I experience a near-doubling of running time with similar > patches. Incidentally, it seems that it's not possible to assume that our regex library is even anywhere in the same league as the GNU regex library. b$

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :> amd.Interfaces: :> :> /defaults type:=nfs;opts:=rw,vers=3,readdirplus,intr,proto=udp :> :> * rhost:=IP${key};rfs:=/Space/${key} : :Not to rain on your parade, but Dag-Erling informed me that there :was problems using NFSv3 over the loopback interface that can cause :locku

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly :repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt :Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use :amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web servers that read their data from :our

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > The only other major feature is the nq leasing stuff for cache coherency, > but it is highly experimental and you probably shouldn't use it. Plus > very few other OS's support it. heh... I'm just happy when the stuff works that's

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:In message <9518.933378...@zippy.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: :: > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is :: > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". :: :: Would you be willing to make this change? : :Yes. I will make this change tomorrow unless there

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". : :Disabling bpf it will break rarpd (and also rbootd but it is less :important). I think such a thing should be mentioned in documentation. : :-SB Not if rarpd is started via the rc files... it would hook up to bpf prior to the securelev

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly > repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt > Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use > amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web se

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Sergey Babkin
Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. >Feldman" writes: > : And how about having > : if (securelevel > 3) > : return (EPERM); > : in bpf_open()? > > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with the meaning of

Re: RE: DOC volunteer WAS:RE: userfs help needed.

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Anyway, Mr. Dillon, once I have a development box to smack around, I :intend to start with your suggestion of implementing a filesystem :of my own concoction by returning an error for all VOP calls and :issuing a kernel printf. How visible will the new VOP code be to :me at this level? The Pen

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :> amd.Interfaces: :> :> /defaults type:=nfs;opts:=rw,vers=3,readdirplus,intr,proto=udp :> :> * rhost:=IP${key};rfs:=/Space/${key} : :Not to rain on your parade, but Dag-Erling informed me that there :was problems using NFSv3 over the loopback interface that can cause :lock

readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web servers that read their data from our sun

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly :repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt :Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use :amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web servers that read their data from :our

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: :: > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is :: > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". :: :: Would you be willing to make this change? : :Yes. I will make this change tomorrow unless there is signific

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <9518.933378...@zippy.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is : > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". : : Would you be willing to make this change? Yes. I will make this change tomorrow unless there is sig

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". Would you be willing to make this change? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly > repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt > Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use > amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web s

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message Alfred Perlstein writes: : What about the one-way sysctls that have been suggested? They need to be implemente dfirst. A quick securelevel > 0 in bpf_open would allow many people's objections to bpf in the kernel by default. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.o

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message > "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > : And how about having > : if (securelevel > 3) > : return (EPERM); > : in bpf_open()? > > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with the meaning of "raw

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : And how about having : if (securelevel > 3) : return (EPERM); : in bpf_open()? There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to ma

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <8605.933365...@zippy.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : It already is. That's not the question under discussion here - we're : talking about how to make things work in the post-installation boot : scenario. I'm in favor of having it in the kernel by default. With one proviso.

Re: docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Steve Price
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Guy Helmer wrote: # Have you tried booting with the "-v" flag to see the driver's probe # messages? Did you configure the card using the configuration "pnp" # commands before the kernel starts booting? For example, I did the former but not the latter. I'll stick it in a ma

readdirplus is very cool, any other nfs client suggestions?

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
Spent quite a bit of time today playing around with the newly repaired readdirplus option for nfs clients in -current. My thanks to Matt Dillon and Bill Paul. For those that don't remember, I'm trying to use amd/nfs client stuff on some freebsd web servers that read their data from our sun

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is : > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". : : Would you be willing to make this change? Yes. I will make this change tomorrow unless there is significant obj

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". Would you be willing to make this change? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 03:27:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > it was VERY simple to do... and attached is the patch... this uses the > > option REG_STARTEND to do what the copy was trying to do... all of the > > code to use REG_STARTEND was already there, it just needed to be enabled..

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alfred Perlstein writes: : What about the one-way sysctls that have been suggested? They need to be implemente dfirst. A quick securelevel > 0 in bpf_open would allow many people's objections to bpf in the kernel by default. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Alfred Perlstein
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. >Feldman" writes: > : And how about having > : if (securelevel > 3) > : return (EPERM); > : in bpf_open()? > > There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is > consistant with

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : And how about having : if (securelevel > 3) : return (EPERM); : in bpf_open()? There are no security levels > 3. I'd be happy with > 0. This is consistant with the meaning of "raw devices". Warner To Unsubscr

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : It already is. That's not the question under discussion here - we're : talking about how to make things work in the post-installation boot : scenario. I'm in favor of having it in the kernel by default. With one proviso. Any place wh

Re: docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Steve Price
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Guy Helmer wrote: # Have you tried booting with the "-v" flag to see the driver's probe # messages? Did you configure the card using the configuration "pnp" # commands before the kernel starts booting? For example, I did the former but not the latter. I'll stick it in a m

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 10:56:55PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > I said that I did not care whether the thing is inside or outside > the regexp library. Yes, although I think at this point it's obvious we're coming at this discussion from fairly different perspectives. By the time you broug

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > The -n option to trafshow disables number->name translation for > both addresses and ports, although that might be more than what is wanted. > I do know what you mean though. On some of the machines I administer I > have some custom entries for /etc/service

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Ben Rosengart wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > Ok - but it's a bit misleading having both values in /etc/services.. > > > > Shouldn't be: > > http 80/tcpwww www-http #World Wide Web HTTP > > http 80/udpwww ww

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :> Sheldon Hearn writes: > :> > I plan to mention in the comments for each service in /etc/services, the > :> > latest RFC describing the service. > :> > :> Good idea. > : > : H... I'm not sure what this gets us. Wouldn't it be better to > :pl

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 03:27:20PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > it was VERY simple to do... and attached is the patch... this uses the > > option REG_STARTEND to do what the copy was trying to do... all of the > > code to use REG_STARTEND was already there, it just needed to be enabled.

Re: Is the _Device Driver Writers Guide_ still apropos?

1999-07-30 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Nik Clayton (n...@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) [990730 23:37]: > -hackers, > > Is the FreeBSD Device Driver Writers Guide at > > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ddwg/ddwg.html > > still correct? I know there have been changes to this area of the tree > over the past 6 months or so, but

Re: No elf(5) man page (docs/7914)

1999-07-30 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Nik Clayton (n...@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) [990730 23:37]: > Hi folks, > > We have an a.out(5), but no elf(5) (as pointed out in docs/7914). > > Does anyone feel up to writing one? Saw it before, noticed it, placed on my to-do list. If no-one objects I'll submit a manpage per a.out(5) sty

Re: replacing grep(1)

1999-07-30 Thread Tim Vanderhoek
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 10:56:55PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > I said that I did not care whether the thing is inside or outside > the regexp library. Yes, although I think at this point it's obvious we're coming at this discussion from fairly different perspectives. By the time you brou

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: > The -n option to trafshow disables number->name translation for > both addresses and ports, although that might be more than what is wanted. > I do know what you mean though. On some of the machines I administer I > have some custom entries for /etc/servic

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Ben Rosengart wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > Ok - but it's a bit misleading having both values in /etc/services.. > > > > Shouldn't be: > > http 80/tcpwww www-http #World Wide Web HTTP > > http 80/udpwww w

RE: DOC volunteer WAS:RE: userfs help needed.

1999-07-30 Thread Alton, Matthew
I prefer to work in flat ASCII. Perhaps the doc project can HTMLize the final product. Currently, I'm hatching a plan to free up an AMD386/40 running FreeBSD 2.1.5 for use as a 4.x sandbox. The little thing has been faithfully and unerringly natd-ing my whole Solaris/NetBSD/Linux/ UNIXWare LAN o

Re: Mentioning RFC numbers in /etc/services

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :> Sheldon Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > :> > I plan to mention in the comments for each service in /etc/services, the > :> > latest RFC describing the service. > :> > :> Good idea. > : > : H... I'm not sure what this gets us. Wouldn't i

Re: docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Guy Helmer
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > Anyone have detailed docs for 3Com's 3C515 NIC? I found > Guy Helmer's driver, http://www.freebsd.org/~ghelmer/3c515/ > but it didn't recognize the card I have. I was going to > spend some time this weekend to see if I could figure out > what was up. Ju

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I thought we decided that the networking gurus we're going to make it > possible to send out broadcast packets on an unconfigured interface so > that DHCP would work, so that bpf wasn't required. I believe we decided that this would be the preferred method, yes. I don't think, however, that we

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > This is a clear security vs functionality issue and I need to get a > > good feel for which "cause" is ascendent here in knowing which way to > > jump on the matter. Can we now hear the closing arguments from the > > pro and con folks? > > I thought

Re: Is the _Device Driver Writers Guide_ still apropos?

1999-07-30 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Nik Clayton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [990730 23:37]: > -hackers, > > Is the FreeBSD Device Driver Writers Guide at > > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ddwg/ddwg.html > > still correct? I know there have been changes to this area of the tree > over the past 6 months or so, but I don't know ho

Re: No elf(5) man page (docs/7914)

1999-07-30 Thread Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
* Nik Clayton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [990730 23:37]: > Hi folks, > > We have an a.out(5), but no elf(5) (as pointed out in docs/7914). > > Does anyone feel up to writing one? Saw it before, noticed it, placed on my to-do list. If no-one objects I'll submit a manpage per a.out(5) style tomorrow for

docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Steve Price
Anyone have detailed docs for 3Com's 3C515 NIC? I found Guy Helmer's driver, http://www.freebsd.org/~ghelmer/3c515/ but it didn't recognize the card I have. I was going to spend some time this weekend to see if I could figure out what was up. Just thought it might be easier if I had a little lig

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually installed the bpf :> device via the module loader during one of the root compromises at BEST, :> a year or two ago. He had gotten it from a hackers cookbook of exploits :> which he convieniently left on-disk long enough for ou

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Nate Williams
> This is a clear security vs functionality issue and I need to get a > good feel for which "cause" is ascendent here in knowing which way to > jump on the matter. Can we now hear the closing arguments from the > pro and con folks? I thought we decided that the networking gurus we're going to mak

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Mike Smith
> : But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and > : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write > : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). > > BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually i

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and > : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write > : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). > > BTW, I wr

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually installed t

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > There's no good reason to not have bpf in at least the boot disk kernel. > > > > It already is. That's not the question under discussion here - we're > > talking about how to make things work in

RE: DOC volunteer WAS:RE: userfs help needed.

1999-07-30 Thread Alton, Matthew
I prefer to work in flat ASCII. Perhaps the doc project can HTMLize the final product. Currently, I'm hatching a plan to free up an AMD386/40 running FreeBSD 2.1.5 for use as a 4.x sandbox. The little thing has been faithfully and unerringly natd-ing my whole Solaris/NetBSD/Linux/ UNIXWare LAN

Re: docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Guy Helmer
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > Anyone have detailed docs for 3Com's 3C515 NIC? I found > Guy Helmer's driver, http://www.freebsd.org/~ghelmer/3c515/ > but it didn't recognize the card I have. I was going to > spend some time this weekend to see if I could figure out > what was up. J

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> I thought we decided that the networking gurus we're going to make it > possible to send out broadcast packets on an unconfigured interface so > that DHCP would work, so that bpf wasn't required. I believe we decided that this would be the preferred method, yes. I don't think, however, that we

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > There's no good reason to not have bpf in at least the boot disk kernel. > > It already is. That's not the question under discussion here - we're > talking about how to make things work in the post-installation boot > scenario. When did that hap

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Doug
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Nate Williams wrote: > > This is a clear security vs functionality issue and I need to get a > > good feel for which "cause" is ascendent here in knowing which way to > > jump on the matter. Can we now hear the closing arguments from the > > pro and con folks? > > I thought

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> There's no good reason to not have bpf in at least the boot disk kernel. It already is. That's not the question under discussion here - we're talking about how to make things work in the post-installation boot scenario. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubs

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> It will let us use a dhcp client in the install programs, this is of > tremendous use to many people as DHCP starts to become much more > popular. I cannot net install a machine at home since that is on a > DHCP cable modem service. Well, just to clarify this, if you're installing a 4.0 snapsho

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
If root is compromised, that's the only way bpf can be gotten to by default. When root's compromised, if no bpf is available, the mem devices can still be created (if not there) and network queues can be listened to. And can't IFF_PROMISC be turned on too? There's no good reason to not have bpf in

Re: patch for behavior changes and madvise MADV_DONTNEED

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
Time for this oppressed person to go ln -s H /etc/malloc.conf... Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ gr...@freebsd.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!_ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread David E. Cross
Here is a pro vote for enabling BPF in GENERIC: It will let us use a dhcp client in the install programs, this is of tremendous use to many people as DHCP starts to become much more popular. I cannot net install a machine at home since that is on a DHCP cable modem service. Also, if root is comp

docs for 3Com 3C515-TX NIC?

1999-07-30 Thread Steve Price
Anyone have detailed docs for 3Com's 3C515 NIC? I found Guy Helmer's driver, http://www.freebsd.org/~ghelmer/3c515/ but it didn't recognize the card I have. I was going to spend some time this weekend to see if I could figure out what was up. Just thought it might be easier if I had a little li

Re: No MAXUID ?

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 09:13:52AM -0700, a little birdie told me that Mike Smith remarked > > I think that the administrator should be forced to override the warning > manually to indicate that they are aware of the issues they are getting > themselves in for, or at the very least that there sh

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually installed the bpf :> device via the module loader during one of the root compromises at BEST, :> a year or two ago. He had gotten it from a hackers cookbook of exploits :> which he convieniently left on-disk long enough for o

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Nate Williams
> This is a clear security vs functionality issue and I need to get a > good feel for which "cause" is ascendent here in knowing which way to > jump on the matter. Can we now hear the closing arguments from the > pro and con folks? I thought we decided that the networking gurus we're going to ma

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Mike Smith
> : But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and > : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write > : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). > > BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually

Re: DOC volunteer WAS:RE: userfs help needed.

1999-07-30 Thread Nik Clayton
On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 10:45:51AM -0500, Alton, Matthew wrote: > I ran screaming into the woods last year from trying to grok VOP_foo. The > prospect of a rewrite fills me with warmth and fuzziness. I hereby volunteer > to maintain the VOP(9) man pages and to flesh out my notes into a big, beefy

So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
We got off onto a big tangent about switches and vlans and stuff and I learned a number of interesting things, don't get me wrong, but we still haven't established any consensus on the trade-offs of enabling bpf. This wasn't meant to be a hypothetical discussion, I'm truly trying to measure the tr

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and > : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write > : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). > > BTW, I w

Re: So, back on the topic of enabling bpf in GENERIC...

1999-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: But even if you turn off the bpf device, you still have /dev/mem and : /dev/kmem to worry about. For that matter, the intruder can still write : raw devices. Also, there is another kernel feature called kldload(8). BTW, I wrote this section because a hacker actually installed

No elf(5) man page (docs/7914)

1999-07-30 Thread Nik Clayton
Hi folks, We have an a.out(5), but no elf(5) (as pointed out in docs/7914). Does anyone feel up to writing one? N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christia

Is the _Device Driver Writers Guide_ still apropos?

1999-07-30 Thread Nik Clayton
-hackers, Is the FreeBSD Device Driver Writers Guide at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ddwg/ddwg.html still correct? I know there have been changes to this area of the tree over the past 6 months or so, but I don't know how much of that document is still appropriate for what we have now.

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