On 11/1/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think there isa unicode version of synedit and it probably wouldn't take
> too much work to
> get it working for freepascal
>
> "Unicode Version: Actually into CVS there is available a UNICODE Version of
> synedit,
> snapshots are available here"
>The code for this program is in spanish because it is intended to be
>used by researchers (basically it is an implementation of a method for
>which there isn't any free implementation). The language choice is
>only a matter of principles, it has nothing to do with any technical
I think there i
On 11/1/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The internet uses english as the standard language. That is why I use it. If
> it is proven
> that some other language should be used as the internet language, then I will
> use it. I do
> enjoy the upside down question marks in spanish, as they help
>Really? What's that standard, ihaven't read it :-).
http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=English-Internet-Standard
>For a GPL program is a good idea to document it in English if you want help
>from developers not speaking your language. The rest of the time, English
>stinks.
El Mar 01 Nov 2005 15:00, L505 escribió:
> >That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very
> >good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El
> >programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere
> >usarlo, sera mejor que comience a es
>That'll be nice if I WANTED to translate it to english. There's a very
>good reason why the code was written in spanish in the first place: El
>programa va a ser liberado con licencia GPL, pero si alguien quiere
>usarlo, sera mejor que comience a estudiar español desde ahora.
The internet uses
On 11/1/05, Vincent Snijders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't understand why a user should learn spanish. User and program
> maintainer are two different entities, even for GPL released programs.
You guys are missing the point the problem was never about the
users needing to read a langua
On 11/1/05, Micha Nelissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, sorry, I replied to the wrong message, I was trying to get a
> response from Agustin, not necessarily from you; he did make the Eclipse
> comparison, and he said he liked that IDE better for OO stuff. But maybe
> that's because the unicod
Agustin Barto wrote:
On 10/31/05, Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Have to tried translation tools? I have converted many Russian source code help
files from
the KOL project into English using PROMT translator online. Once in a while you
get a funny
translation like "I hit the code twice
On 10/31/05, Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have to tried translation tools? I have converted many Russian source code
> help files from
> the KOL project into English using PROMT translator online. Once in a while
> you get a funny
> translation like "I hit the code twice before she comp
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:03:09 -0800
Team Z505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >Well, I am aware of the fact that a visual design environment like
> >lazarus (and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your
> >backend design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a soluti
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
(and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your backend
design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution for this
Well, i never said these were better than Lazarus (in fact this is the first
time i even mention them in this list). For
>Well, I am aware of the fact that a visual design environment like lazarus
>(and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your backend
>design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution for this
>problem, then I'd like to hear it, but if they "solve" the problem by
>It's a major issue. In here, we're having a serious programmer
>shortage. One of the coolest things about Lazarus is that it could
>allow us to hire people that comes from a Windows/Delphi background
>and integrate them into our Whatever/Linux enviroment. The problem is
>that not everyone is cap
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 00:18, Vincent Snijders escribió:
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff
like international characters it's not very useful.
For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people
Ok, i'll byte :-)
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 22:19, L505 escribió:
> > get a wonderful UDE (Unintegrated Development Enviroment).
>
> For an even better UDE you can use Nano or the classic dos Edit program.
I take vi over nano anyday. DOS Edit is a really ofensive editor, but it's
better than nothing i
> get a wonderful UDE (Unintegrated Development Enviroment).
For an even better UDE you can use Nano or the classic dos Edit program.
Or you could use this:
http://www.4mhz.de/bfdev.html
http://www.4mhz.de/img/bfdev1.png
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El Lun 31 Oct 2005 18:34, L505 escribió:
> >These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff
> > like international characters it's not very useful. Another thing is that
> > the IDE looks very ugly. I know these are Linux especific, in windows Laz
> > is great.
>
> I think
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 11:30, Micha Nelissen escribió:
>
> Well, I am aware of the fact that a visual design environment like lazarus
> (and delphi and VB), it's easy to fall into the trap to base your backend
> design on the GUI design. If Eclipse or KDevelop have a solution for this
> problem, then I
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 04:02, Marco van de Voort escribió:
>
> C shouldn't be faster than Pascal.
True. But for C i already have a good collection of I/O functions that are
significantly faster than printf and friends and orders of magnitude faster
than C++ cout/cin. I know i can write my own functi
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 00:18, Vincent Snijders escribió:
> Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
> > These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff
> > like international characters it's not very useful.
>
> For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people and those
> are qui
El Lun 31 Oct 2005 02:46, Florian Klaempfl escribió:
>
> Indeed, if it is so important, somebody would have implemented it already
> :) ___
Code it yorself huh? I would but right now i'm too busy coding stuff in C++,
Java and PHP. I really miss the old d
On 10/31/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff
> >like
> >international characters it's not very useful. Another thing is that the IDE
> >looks very ugly. I know these are Linux especific, in windows Laz is great.
>
> I thi
>These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff like
>international characters it's not very useful. Another thing is that the IDE
>looks very ugly. I know these are Linux especific, in windows Laz is great.
I think that is GTK. I'm still messing around with fonts and
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:08:31 -0600
Elio Cuevas Gómez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd like to know why this isn't a problem in Eclipse or KDevelop, but is in
> > Lazarus.
>
> Don't take the comment too personal :). I don't think the "problem" is
> necesarily bad, i love Lazarus, it can get me a
On 10/31/05, Peter Vreman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The cool thing about fpc and lazarus is that you can fix things yourself.
> Don't forget that we don't get paid and do it all in our spare free time.
>
If Lazarus was written in Java or Smalltalk, I might be able to help
out. But given that
>> >> These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic
>> >> stuff like international characters it's not very useful.
>> >
>> >
>> > For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people and
>> those
>> > are quiet a lot too, although not as much as the whole world
>> po
On 10/31/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vincent Snijders wrote:
>
> > Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
> >
> >> These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic
> >> stuff like international characters it's not very useful.
> >
> >
> > For you. It is useful for most of
On 10/31/05, Elio Cuevas Gómez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > This eliminates:
> > > > a) C++ using any platform independent library, like gtk, qt,
> > > > wxwidgets, etc, because the library is too big to fit a floppy
>
> This is not really a fair reason to reject C++. You can also program gtk
On Monday 31 October 2005 10:02, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> C shouldn't be faster than Pascal.
Well, it is - if you leave out the range checks.
Vinzent.
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> El Dom 30 Oct 2005 14:27, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribi?:
> >
> > Assembler is not cpu independend =)
>
> Well, all depends in the application i guess. If i want really small i use
> assambler (mosly for PIC programming), i want really fast i do it in C, if i
> want fast implementation i
Vincent Snijders wrote:
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic
stuff like international characters it's not very useful.
For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people and those
are quiet a lot too, although not as much a
On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I
think the time has come to integrate (the installations of) FPC and
Lazarus more fully. I'll first use myself as an example as to why; then
I'll present the reasons I suspect such an integration has not already
taken place, and suggest an impl
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 16:52, Dean Zobec escribió:
[...]
One approach is the use of the RTTI - aware controls to link them to the
published properties of your Business Objects or, better, use a more
complex but more flexible bridge pattern to decouple the link between
Elio Cuevas Gómez wrote:
These are all good things, but if the IDE editor can't handle basic stuff like
international characters it's not very useful.
For you. It is useful for most of the English speaking people and those
are quiet a lot too, although not as much as the whole world population
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 16:52, Dean Zobec escribió:
>[...]
>> One approach is the use of the RTTI - aware controls to link them to the
> published properties of your Business Objects or, better, use a more
> complex but more flexible bridge pattern to decouple the link between
> the business objects a
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 17:42, L505 escribió:
>
> I'm beginning to think we need a Big huge button in the lazarus IDE with
> caption as: "Hide Lazarus Component Palette (Click This Only If You Come
> From a Java Background)"
>
> That caption is quite big, so the button might span across the entire
> scr
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 14:27, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió:
> > > This eliminates:
> > > a) C++ using any platform independent library, like gtk, qt,
> > > wxwidgets, etc, because the library is too big to fit a floppy
> >
> > Which library do you use for Pascal that fits in a floppy?
>
> LCL (
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 14:51, Micha Nelissen escribió:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:48:52 -0600
>
> I'd like to know why this isn't a problem in Eclipse or KDevelop, but is in
> Lazarus.
>
Don't take the comment too personal :). I don't think the "problem" is
necesarily bad, i love Lazarus, it can get me
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 15:35, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió:
> On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I can't type any international characters (like accented vowels) in
> > the editor. FYI, mi FC4 uses UTF-8.
>
> AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited
On 10/30/05, L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I solved the problem using a single-rooted wrapper hierarchy (java
> > > style). It's not elegant nor efficient,
>
> Google.com
>
> Your search - "single-rooted wrapper hierarchy" - did not match any documents.
>
Let's say you need a general pur
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:50:00 -0800
L505 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your search - "Polymorphism with primitive data types" - did not match
> any documents.
Don't use the ""s... Too restrictive.
Without them,
Results 1 - 10 of about 266,000 for Polymorphism with primitive data types
John
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Agustin Barto wrote:
What bad designs does it impose the programmer?? I have a big interest
to know because I like to make a as reusable as possible code. Are you
talking about the form designer??
Software that's designed starting from the user interface to the
behavioral parts of the pro
>I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive
>data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's
Google.com
Your search - "Polymorphism with primitive data types" - did not match any
documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
> > I solved the problem using a single-rooted wrapper hierarchy (java
> > style). It's not elegant nor efficient,
Google.com
Your search - "single-rooted wrapper hierarchy" - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Tr
>This is a common problem with "visual" IDE's, they are focused in
>implementation speed and not overall project quality, this had already been
>discused in other places. As Agustin pointed this is not visible for small
>Form1 based projects but it gets bad as the project grows. I agree this is
>n
On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If Variants could store objects and interface instances, maybe.
>
> They can? Simply use custom variants.
>
Don't know what custom variants are. I'd appreciate a link to the documentation.
> > I solved the problem using a single-rooted
On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's a HUGE problem! I can't properly document the code!
>
> This is a big problem for me, 'cause I only use Windows to play games :)
>
> I hope it gets fixed.
You´ve beat me =)
They only thing I can say now is that I would love to see it
Agustin Barto wrote:
On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Agustin Barto wrote:
I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive
data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's
not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure
On 10/30/05, Florian Klaempfl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Agustin Barto wrote:
> > I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive
> > data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's
> > not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure that can
> >
On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited as a
> bug report (by me). It works perfectly on Windows. And the problem is
> only related to the IDE. TEdit (and programs that use it) can handle
> accented words
Agustin Barto wrote:
I was talking about design. One example? Polymorphism with primitive
data types can get really messy really fast with ObjectPascal. It's
not easy, for instance, to have a generic data structure that can
store *any* primitive data in a type-safe way.
Variants?
On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't type any international characters (like accented vowels) in
> the editor. FYI, mi FC4 uses UTF-8.
AFAIK this is a gtk only problem and has already being submited as a
bug report (by me). It works perfectly on Windows. And the problem
On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Witch unicode? UTF-8 obviously works on Lazarus as the editor produces
> and reads files in this format. I have also worked with lazarus and
> XML files, witch are normally in UTF-8.
I can't type any international characters (
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:48:52 -0600
Elio Cuevas Gómez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > e) The problem with beign Delphi-like (or visual design-centric) is
> > > that it imposes some pretty ugly designs on the programmer, and this
> > > creates bad habits. For small projects this is obviously not a
> > This eliminates:
> > a) C++ using any platform independent library, like gtk, qt,
> > wxwidgets, etc, because the library is too big to fit a floppy
>
> Which library do you use for Pascal that fits in a floppy?
LCL (Win32 on Windows and gtk 1.2 for Linux).
After strip and upx I get:
700kb on
El Dom 30 Oct 2005 11:47, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho escribió:
> On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version
> > of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular
> > enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limit
> Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is
> far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you
> ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5%
> of my apps use gui, I never use the visual editor (I gave up hoping
> that the n
On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version
> of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular
> enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limitation of the code editor.
Witch unicode? UTF-8 obviously works on Lazar
Agustin Barto wrote:
> a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) version
> of Lazarus. I don't know if this is a bug related to my particular
> enviroment (x86/FC4) or a limitation of the code editor.
Unicode can mean a lot?
b) When I really needed the multiplatform feature
On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please give objective reasons to back up your statement that Lazarus
> is a bad IDE (and test the latest stable one to see if the problems
> were not fixed).
>
a) Unicode didn't work for me on any (including the lastest) versi
On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is
> far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you
> ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5%
> of my apps use gui, I never
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:07:13 -0300
Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is
> far from being comparable with other development enviroments. If you
> ask me, it's too much like Delphi (that's really bad). Although 99.5%
> of m
On 10/30/05, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But those are reasons to mix the projects (not in code)! From Systems
> we can know that many people are not using FPC because they need a
> good gui IDE.
Errr...Lazarus is a good IDE/RAD? It certainly is a good start, but is
On 10/30/05, Agustin Barto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - Let's face it: FPC is a mature and stable (and awesome) project,
> Lazarus isn't. I think there shouldn't be mixed, at least for the time
> being.
But those are reasons to mix the proj
On 10/29/05, David Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - other reasons?
>
Here are the reasons why I don't use Lazarus regularly (I use
FreePascal almost every day):
- The "compiler mismatch" of Lazarus. Most of the time lazarus
requires a version of fpc that's not the current stable version.
-
>- Some users may want to run FPC from the command-line only (or other IDE,
>e.g. SciTE or
Vim) and not bother >with the Lazarus IDE
>- Some users may already have FPC installed and not want to re-download it
>when installing
Lazarus
>- other reasons?
Maybe some people want to try FP-IDE and n
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