Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

The problem with general accusations that hit nobody in particular is that it's rather hard to follow up on them. I'm sure there is probably at least one corrupt or biased employee of the foundation or chapter somewhere in the world - it's a human weakness. Nothing can really be done about it u

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

I did like the general principle of the original statement that there should be some formal interplay between the foundation and chapters. Where I come from, charitable organisations are required to send a yearly report (or two, if a charitable company). This contains financial information, aud

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

You claim that the Foundation is tied in with US business interests. Heard of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? so far, I've seen none. If the two people you trust are inside say, the Foundation, surely they can do something about it? If not, how is this any more than third

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

I agree with Tom that there isn't really much to discuss, although I support the idea of having chapters copy the foundation in to any legally required audits or yearly reports. Tom, you're more intimately involved; what is the situation with chapters and their responsibilities to the foundatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

"Sue doesn't send out a monthly report" - Sue is the Executive Director of the fastest growing non-profit foundation in the United States, a foundation which has just announced a doubling of its staff, trial direct expansion to two more nations and the gradual relocation of server resources. Yo

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

That's true; sorry, I misunderstood your message. It would be helpful to prevent claims that unspecified employees in unspecified chapters are being corrupted in an unspecified way based on unspecified evidence from unspecified sources :P _

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

Sounds like it. If these people are so reliable and trustworthy, why exactly haven't they contacted the Foundation? On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: > > > [...] > > First of all, I am not able to talk about people who complained me. > > Second, if I b

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

Err. Who's reply? On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > A question.. how does your reply help ? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 14 July 2010 21:11, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > > > Milos Rancic wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > First of all, I am not able to talk about people

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

To be honest, anyone "whistleblowing" from outside the organisation.. well, it's rather hard to be punished by the foundation employment-wise when you don't work for them. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 14 July 2010 23:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > Sue Gardner,

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

Perhaps in future (for say, Haifa) it would be an idea if any chapter-based scholarships were put on hold until after the Foundation makes its choices? That way the systems could mesh, with people who don't quite meet the Foundation requirements/do but oh dear, we've already used up all our scholar

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

Now if we only had some kind of mobile device which could be given to such institutions containing a copy! :P. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Samuel Klein wrote: > > > > Every national and regional library should have a local copy of > Wikimedia. > > > > > > With

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

Simples, then. If a project refuses to enforce NPOV and "bans" itself, we remove it. On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Manuelt15 Wiki, 16/07/2010 14:17: > > Only wanted to notify you that the Acehnese Wikipedia < > > http://ace.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ôn_Keuë

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

Agreed. I don't particularly agree with Gerard's point that " It is similar as if I were to say to the English language community that they have to change their way because their community consensus is incompatible with WMF official board sanctioned policies." - in that situation, yes, I'd expect e

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

No, you seem to be misunderstanding. Let me make a clear that me questioning you on your beliefs and opinions in a respectful and neutral manner is not in any sense a personal attack. Also note that I specifically said I agree, we need to have conversations. I am not using any NPOV violations for "

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

Except the problem is that at no point do they mention law; it's entirely personal opinions. If they said "oh btw, the law in our nation creates problems with images of Muhammad" then cool, fine, it's justified. Arguing that images should be deleted not because of the law but because they find it p

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy etc - merging data

So the logic seems to be thus - if I tell employee X something about my life, interests, experience, C.V. that could possibly be of use or interest to the Foundation, it's fine to store it on a central database where all and sundry within the Foundation can get at it, despite the fact that this was

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

Actually, to clarify; it's a particular Islamic sect which has a problem. A lot of the smaller groups really don't care. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, wrote: > > > When why aren't they linking to the Mohammed article rather than the > > spec

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

Seconded, particularly (2). The line I use with OTRS and other complainants about muhammad images is simply that; that we cannot favour one particular group, because we'd have to favour a second, and so on - the end result is removing everything anyone could ever find offensive. On Sat, Jul 17, 20

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

I don't think any community, even one from a majority Muslim nation, could reasonably consider following the doctrine of a particular Islamic sect with no other considerations "neutral". Anyone who things "neutral point of view" means "consider the ONE ACCEPTABLE POINT OF VIEW TO US AS INDIVIDUALS"

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy etc - merging data

An additional question; is there going to be an explicit need to gain permission, or is it simply going to be the implicit assumption that the person does/does not want their information stored? On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 17 July 2010 18:29, Sue Gardner wrote: > >

Re: [Foundation-l] small Wikipedia projects - follow-up to Jimmy Wales' talk

There's an en-wiki project I'm getting involved in that is planning "outreach" to smaller wikis. Would you like me to give you a ping when we launch? On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2010/7/18 Gerard Meijssen : > > Amir, we talked about is

Re: [Foundation-l] small Wikipedia projects - follow-up to Jimmy Wales' talk

; On 18 July 2010 15:45, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > There's an en-wiki project I'm getting involved in that is planning > > "outreach" to smaller wikis. Would you like me to give you a ping when we > > launch? > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:45 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] small Wikipedia projects - follow-up to Jimmy Wales' talk

y interested by this topic, mainly about Hindi and > Gujarati among other Indian languages. > > Please keep me in touch. > > Regards, > > Yann > > 2010/7/18 Oliver Keyes : > > There's an en-wiki project I'm getting involved in that is planning > > &

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)

The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through to Gdansk with five or six (the "Why France/Britain sucks" conversations" were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)

If wishes were fishes and all that. Still, it's July now; could budgets not get approved before January? On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 7/21/10 1:37 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled &g

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapter wikimania scholarships Was: Money, politics and corruption

10 at 6:23 PM, Oliver Keyes >wrote: > > > Perhaps in future (for say, Haifa) it would be an idea if any > chapter-based > > scholarships were put on hold until after the Foundation makes its > choices? > > That way the systems could mesh, with people who don't quite mee

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapter wikimania scholarships Was: Money, politics and corruption

ice. Most conference scheduling is a 12~14 month window. Paperwork at > its best. But, really, good for Hungary to provide the grant even if it's > too little/too late. > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Oliver Keyes >wrote: > > > Yeah, I see your point - it's

Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation

"If there are issues, they can be overcome. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of articles in English can be "pushed" over to other languages, and fill a need for those topics in those languages." - if there are vast swathes in other languages that aren't filled, it's normally indica

Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation

Agreed. There's one wiki which artificially inflated the number of articles it had via a bot (I forget the specific language). That's not a way to increase the wiki's strength. There's an old phrase used on en-wiki; "africa is not a redlink". It means that because we have articles on a lot of commo

Re: [Foundation-l] Discussion Questions for Potentially-Objectionable Content

Wikipedia images and pages normally have descriptive titles. If you want to prevent children seeing bad stuff on the internet, set up a web blocker. Mind you, if you want to prevent children seeing bad stuff on the internet, best to raise them in an Amish village. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:05 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] Push translation

"The idea is that most of en.wp's articles are well-enough written, and written in accord with NPOV to a sufficient degree to overcome any such criticism of 'imperial encyclopedism.' - really? It's a) not particularly well-written, mostly and b) referenced overwhelmingly to English-language sources

Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

" in an attempt to impose purely aesthetic choices on the broader community." Impose? You know it can be turned off, right? On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:32 AM, Brandon Harris wrote: > > > On 8/2/2010 6:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > > A lot of the complaints I heard regarding the Vector rollout were based

Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

for what it's worth, I think it's a smart shift. > > Brandon Harris wrote: > > It is possible for long-term or power-users of Wikimedia software to > > change the skin they use if they find serious fault with Vector. > > Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Impose? You k

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

Agreed. A good example; on the English Wikipedia, I'm a massive law nerd with 40-something legal GAs and FAs to my name. I'd never even have studied the subject if it wasn't for a group of Wikipedians, some of whom have later helped me with or collaborated on articles. The importance of social inte

Re: [Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

Another cease-and-desist, perchance? Hopefully the Streisand Effect will take hold and every news organisation reporting this will reproduce the seal in loving, high-definition detail. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Incidentally, britannica.com removed the seal today fro

Re: [Foundation-l] Why should Wikimedians meet?

OMG I MET ROBERT I LUV HIM SO is disruptive. "Does anyone know where he was educated? It isn't listed" is potentially helpful. And so on. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Agreed. A good example; on the English Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Pre-Strategy Finalization Goals Survey (Community)

Well, that would unfortunately mean involving Australians and Americans in the wiki. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me :P On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 6 August 2010 20:14, Sue Gardner wrote: > > > I sent this to an internal Wikimedia mailing list earlier today to

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for Volunteers: Wikimedia Research Committee

So your peer reviewed experience iiis. the co-authoring of a single paper published in a supplement? Less than say, a particularly good management undergrad. Forgive me; a director of marketing at that level does exactly how much direct marketing? On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Gregory Kohs wrot

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, James Heilman wrote: > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > > Wikipedia does not seem to have any formal arbitration committee that deals > with content. > The Mediation Committee? ___ foundation-l mailing list found

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote > > > Let's linky here, Oliver: > -- > ~Keegan > > My bad. Anyway, to quote "The role of the Mediation Committee is explicitly to try to resolve disputes, especially those *involving content*" (i

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:30:38 -0600, James Heilman wrote: > > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > >. > For instance, would such committee (if ever created) tell Arabic Wikipedia > what > has to be written in the article Al-Quds/J

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

d.[1] > > In the 2012 chapter board election, 39 chapters consisting of more > than 4000 identified people will be voting.[2] > > Unfortunately neither process captures a large percentage of the > active Wikimedian community. > > 1. see bottom of > https://meta.wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

er, at least go through a vetting and a voting > process that is open to several chapters and thousand of members. > > Regards > Theo > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lis

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

the other half of the board. I am > surprised > > > why questions about their interest and representation aren't raised on > > > every new appointment? > > > > > > The chapter selected member, at least go through a vetting and a voting > > > pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

rustees of each chapter should be at the forefront of that. But are they selected with that role in mind? On 1 February 2012 23:44, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Oliver Keyes > wrote: > > No; it's open to several chapters. If you're planning on holdin

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

onho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* > > > On 1 February 2012 21:42, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > You're misunderstanding; I'm saying the Board of Trustees nominations > > happening on the chapters wiki is open merely to the representatives of > > chap

Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links

ps://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Extension:ClickTracking<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking> >>>>> >? >>>>> >>>>> MZMcBride >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __**_ >>>>> foundation-l mailing list >>>>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.**org >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/foundation-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l> >>>>> >>>>> __**_ >>>> foundation-l mailing list >>>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.**org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/** >>>> mailman/listinfo/foundation-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> Support Free Knowledge: >>> http://wikimediafoundation.**org/wiki/Donate<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __**_ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.**org >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/foundation-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l> >> > > -- > Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: > http://wikimediafoundation.**org/wiki/Donate<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate> > > __**_ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/foundation-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l> > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

oundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list found

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

As said above...it is being moved ;p On 9 February 2012 01:18, MZMcBride wrote: > Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Well, that would be part of the Article Feedback Tool, Version 5. We're > > experimenting around with new placements - personally, I *loathe* this > > desi

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

s? It is very useful, and > necessary for all Wikimedia wikis. > Thanks! > > 2012/2/9, Oliver Keyes : > > As said above...it is being moved ;p > > > > On 9 February 2012 01:18, MZMcBride wrote: > > > >> Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> > Wel

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

22, Minata Hatsune wrote: > Uhm. Can I require to enable in any project through MediaZilla (such > as my homewiki)? Anyway, it should be deployment to many wiki, help > improve content quality. > > 2012/2/9, Oliver Keyes : > > We'll hopefully be finishing up developme

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

Okay, Minata: looks like I was right; if wikis want it after the design process is finished, they can just ask for it. On 9 February 2012 02:31, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Minata: I imagine the plan is "deploy on enwiki, and if other wikis ask > for it, they can have it too", b

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

needed) > * Eventually gets activated by a Shellie. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver K

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

On the first one, no idea - if you have any idea how we can test this without full deployment, please, go ahead. On the second, it should scale; we're using a randomised sample (minus DAB pages) On 9 February 2012 04:17, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Oliv

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

3:25 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > On the first one, no idea - if you have any idea how we can test this > > without full deployment, please, go ahead. > > feedback was sent to contributors? > did the contributor make use of the feedback? > if not, why not? > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

of it was "stuff I can use". On 9 February 2012 04:44, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > We'll experiment with wordings as the testing progresses. On your other > > point - again, how can we find this out without testin

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

ion in any way at all, > that's a big improvement over the present. Let's see how it works out. > (With numbers.) > > > - d. > > _______ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

> quite a bit of time researching. Having said that, we do need to be > > careful about creating a "someone else's problem" dynamic. One way to do > > this is to keep making sure these readers know that they can make the > > change themselves. > > > > Howie

Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

On 9 February 2012 23:14, George Herbert wrote: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > As said above...it is being moved ;p > > Where / on which lists were the location experiments discussed prior > to implementation? Both with regards to the locations to

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

On 10 February 2012 02:32, Mono wrote: > I think the better question is "what will this department actually do?" > > " For details, please go to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/LCA_Announcement."; ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

> Surely normal social convention applies; if someone raises the issue then > "Don't be a dick" and take extra care. Otherwise slip > ups/confusion/mistakes shouldn't be the end of the world... > > If we're discussing this; my name is correctly pronounced &q

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

hops alongside other things?-- > It's perfectly sensible; I believe what tom means is that if you're undertaking a larger effort to increase outreach, it is fairly clear what the workshops that are part of that effort are aiming to achieve. It could have been phrased as "Six w

[Foundation-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

but if you have suggestions as to how we should improve the tool itself, you can send them to me at oke...@wikimedia.org, or to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Article_Creation_Workflow/Landing_System, where the devs are watching closely :). Thanks! -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product De

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

how to activate the secret Option 3, > which skips the sandbox altogether for future article creation. > (Probably a preference somewhere...) > > Steve > > > Great ideas all :). I agree there needs to be more of a distinction in language, and an absence of suppor

[Foundation-l] Does google favour WIkipedia?

The answer, evidently, is "not as much as Bing" - http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2161910/Bing-Not-Google-Favors-Wikipedia-More-Often-in-Search-Results-Study Thought people might find it interesting :) -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

d the Indian subcontinent. And we do have a grants programme: check out http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant :). -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Engineering org charts

d be extremely time > consuming. > > _______ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison

[Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

e. The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :). Thanks Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

it so much" O. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC > to > > discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're p

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > > > I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in > the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even > publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > S

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Risker wrote: > On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > Hey guys > > > > So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC > > .The session will be held in > > #wikimedia-office at

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:33:30 +0100, WereSpielChequers > wrote: > > > > > Can we make sure that any new generation Article Feedback tool is > properly > > tested, and that testing includes: > > > >1. Implementing it on a random grou

[Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours

e. Is that something that interests anyone? Meanwhile, the plans for the new AFT version can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5 - if you have any opinions, just drop a note on the talkpage. All comments and perspectives are welcome :). Thanks Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that it's really useful for posting talkpage messages? New users can use those templates in a *perfectly* meaningful way - as a way of communicating instead of relyi

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

Not my call, but I'd totally support that. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:35 AM, geni wrote: > On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup > > completely undermines one of the great unintended conseq

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain available to new editors. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae wrote: > On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup > > complet

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

I was saying that the WL layout > posting on talkpages ;p. On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes >wrote: > > > You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior > > function of allowing use

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

Speaking personally, the tech department develops features that benefit the community. The difference is that they, quite rightly, see the "community" as consisting of both readers and editors. They are developing editor-specific new features, such as the Zoom interface for Special:NewPages, as I e

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

As for empowering users and letting them play a role - speaking professionally now, that's exactly what tech is trying to do. I should know, they've hired me on a short-term basis to help out :P. If you want to get involved, my inbox is always open. Drop me an email and I'll send you links to what

Re: [Foundation-l] the choice of what is going to be developed is very much a management issue;

I'm not saying that they would *ignore* readers, just that consistently taking outside parties into account is something every group finds difficult. I can see the community noting, in such discussions, that readers have a stake. I can even see them taking this stake into account when making decisi

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the Article Feedback Tool, which contains a "you know you can edit, right?" thing. Off the top of my head I think 17.4 percent of the 30-40,000 people who use it per day attempt to edit as a result of that inducement. Admittedly onl

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

he changes myself, lets do thaWAUGH, WHAT IN CTHULU'S NAME DOES ALL THIS TEXT MEAN" On 31 October 2011 12:39, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 October 2011 12:30, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > Not sure about that specific change, but one illustration might be the > > Article Fee

[Foundation-l] Office Hours

normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours

Duly noted ;p. On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 wrote: > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes > wrote: > > > Hey guys > > > > Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours > session > > on the new Article Feedback Tool on

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours

So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P. On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Duly noted ;p. > > > On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes >> wrote: >> >> >

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours

4:59 PST, sorry. It's been a very, very long day. On 2 November 2011 18:45, Oliver Keyes wrote: > So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P. > > > On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes wrote: > >> Duly noted ;p. >> >> >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Message to Fae

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[Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 19:00 UTC, Thursday 10 November

riday evening UTC. Hope to see you lot soon! -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Office Hours - 18 November, 22:00 UTC

imeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=3&min=00&sec=0&day=19&month=11&year=2011) on Saturday will see an office hours session on the AFT aimed at you folk ;). It'll just be me, I'm afraid, but if you want to engage on the AFT, have any suggestions, or just want

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John Vandenberg > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Fou

[Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

all melty). -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

Indeed; an hour beforehand :). We'll be jumping in right as he ends. On 29 November 2011 17:23, Theo10011 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Oliver Keyes > wrote: > > > Hey guys! > > > > Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

ll? > On Nov 29, 2011 6:17 PM, "Oliver Keyes" wrote: > > > Hey guys! > > > > Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2 > December, > > at 19:00 UTC. If you're vaguely interested in playing around with > > prototypes

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

lly nice, as well the intention behind it! for pictures, or > commons in general, a rating model like the one already implements would be > more appropriate, what you think? > On Nov 29, 2011 8:20 PM, "Oliver Keyes" wrote: > > > Well, if you've seen AFT5 (you may n

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

> where a jury had to select good photos out of 16 submitted. > On Nov 29, 2011 8:51 PM, "Oliver Keyes" wrote: > > > It'd be good! I'm not sure what the usefulness would be, though. So, the > > two aims behind the AFT: > > > > > > - To

[Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 15 minutes

Hey guys; the AFT office hours session will be starting at 11:00 (or whenever Geoff finishes) :). Hope to see you all there! -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] [Internal-l] Regarding Berkman/Sciences Po study

Speaking off the record and in my personal capacity - fuckin' A. Thank you for being the one sane voice :p On Sunday, 11 December 2011, Renata St wrote: >> >> The problem is that the research committee made only a token effort >> at finding or following relevant onwiki policy or consensus , nor d

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

are > Commonwealth countries. In the rest of the world, moral rights are > either non-existent, or not waivable. Is there any Commonwealth caselaw > on what types of attribution are acceptable for satisfying moral rights? > > Ryan Kaldari > > _______

Re: [Foundation-l] "Terms of use" : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

I really hope 4.0 brings clarity, and also that WMF > will go > > forward from an unported licence to a fully internationalized TOS > > implementation, the sooner the better. > > > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - Today, #wikimedia-office, 19:00 UTC

probably a good one to come to :). -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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