Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move > would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling. They haven't moved yet. I bet we can safely let this topic drop, thou

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-08 Thread Nathan
;t immediately bring to mind the proliferation of personal wikis on the web. Nathan [1]: The English Wikiversity, for example, has less than 12k "content pages", while the German Wikiversity has only 1800. En.wikiversity has 175k registered users, but only 25 administrators. The English WikiSo

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-08 Thread Nathan
I don't think that this sort of moderation has been common in the past, but I think the moderation of Greg Kohs went a bit far - and for the reasons outlined by Greg Maxwell. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-09 Thread Nathan
ld be developed jointly with innovative school systems or teacher groups, or even partnerships between schools in different countries aimed at allowing international cooperative learning. We may not be able to organically generate the Wikimedia community interest

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-10 Thread Nathan
the behind-the-scenes communication, or even whether extenuating circumstances (such as all founding members in fact living in different cities) make the funding level more appropriate than it seems on face value. Thanks, Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009

2009-09-11 Thread Nathan
ion staff and other chapter groups, and the grant review process should be seen as an avenue to deliver that experience in addition to funding. I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent on chapter re

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009

2009-09-11 Thread Nathan
ility for it, and what monitoring steps were planned, which I'm still curious about. Sorry for the unclear wording. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Italia being sued

2009-09-15 Thread Nathan
dia Italia makes an announcement on how to contribute to its legal defense fund (assuming it does not declare bankruptcy/dissolve based on liability alone). Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://l

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcement: Jennifer Riggs leaves Wikimedia

2009-09-17 Thread Nathan
Thanks Sue. You mention a sort of re-envisioning process for the Chief Program Officer role - can you give us an idea of the challenges that you and Jennifer encountered with the current concept of a CPO, and what types of changes you might consider making? Nathan

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Italia being sued

2009-09-18 Thread Nathan
ion-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > It was relevant until it became clear that Wikimedia Italia had actually been served, which was not evident from the initial post. Nathan ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Charity Navigator rates WMF

2009-10-08 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > > Right. What's a program expense? What *should* be a program expense? > * keeping servers online? > * Wikimania? > * producing how-to guides? > * improving mediawiki? > > > Since all the documentation is readily available, like Mike Snow said

Re: [Foundation-l] Charity Navigator rates WMF

2009-10-09 Thread Nathan
the importance of > such a rating, in which case, I would say mission very well accomplished. > > Greg I'm curious what importance you attach to the Charity Navigator rating, and how you think it is (or should be) relevant to the operations of the WMF. Care to explain? N

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader

2009-10-13 Thread Nathan
ise, though, it seems like a cool gadget for people who don't have a smartphone of some sort. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

2009-10-13 Thread Nathan
remedies are available to the folks whose work is included, but I think generally speaking they may not have much motivation or means. Wikipedia content is reused all across the web and in print without the type of attribution required by the GFDL - this is nothing new. Nathan ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Alphascript Publishing scam

2009-10-13 Thread Nathan
ey may not have much motivation or means. Wikipedia content is reused all across the web and in print without the type of attribution required by the GFDL - this is nothing new. Nathan (Replying again on the thread with a subject.) ___ foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-30 Thread Nathan
ness, and needs to operate with more professionalism than "announce everything announce often." Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Nathan
e is fired; every office has people like that. But we're not entitled to it, its poor manners to ask, and the Foundation is right to decline such requests. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Pedro Sanchez wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> >> Gregory Maxwell argues that the Wikimedia Foundation should >> voluntarily submit to the type of openness required of government >> agencies; I suspect th

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has failed

2009-11-04 Thread Nathan
project. Is this because you're upset at being moderated on wikinews-l? Nathan On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, wrote: > Wikinews should be gracefully shut down.  It's long since failed to serve > any service to the community or to the world.  Few to no Wikipedia articles >

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009-11-18 Thread Nathan
we ought to require actual model releases on sexually explicit photographs. We will gain far more by protecting the safety and privacy of image subjects than we stand to lose in the volume of explicit photos. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list founda

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-23 Thread Nathan
> Thanks, >     GerardM > We should ignore them because they want to get paid for their work? Why? Frankly, I think the NY Times and other companies should require payment for much of their work as well. I'm willing to pay for their content, its worth it. Nathan __

Re: [Foundation-l] WSJ on Wikipedia

2009-11-23 Thread Nathan
. > > A book can be found in a library and consequently there is a way to verify. > Thanks, >    GerardM > The request was to summarize the main points. That's certainly legal. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.

Re: [Foundation-l] Follow up: Fan History joining the WMF family

2009-11-30 Thread Nathan
(strategy, chapter projects, etc.) - proving that setting up a new MediaWiki instance with attendant arrangements isn't a major hurdle. Once you've accomplished all the steps, you can import your old wiki into your new wiki and get back to work. Nathan __

Re: [Foundation-l] Assume Good Faith and Don't Bite Newbees

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan
onal account. Simply state on the user page "My name is John Smith, public relations representative for ACME Cola Inc. Please contact me at john.sm...@acmecola.com or 800-ACM-COLA, or use my talkpage." If they want to voluntarily identify their organizational affiliation, then nothing

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009-12-15 Thread Nathan
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if it were Tiger Woods... Nathan ___ fo

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

2009-12-15 Thread Nathan
page seems like a convenient way for people to sign themselves up, not an invitation to Wikipedia editors to intervene when they find some content inappropriate. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] LiquidThreads almost ready for deployment

2009-12-20 Thread Nathan
re I've ever developed is some VBA macros for Excel. > David, the part William quoted was his own prior post. I think he was replying to what you had actually written, but neglected to include it in his quote. ~Nathan ___ foundation-l maili

[Foundation-l] Fundraising banners

2009-12-30 Thread Nathan
hiccups with the banner content, this fundraiser appears to be (by a wide margin) the most successful in Wikimedia's history. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/lis

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-14 Thread Nathan
se images were deleted on Commons in 2008 - but since then, many new ones have been uploaded. To avoid the very real chance that the subjects of explicit photos are underage or have not given publishing consent, I would like to see Commons require proof of model release, and age verification, fo

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-14 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2010/1/14 Nathan : >> To avoid the very real chance that the subjects of explicit photos are >> underage or have not given publishing consent, I would like to see >> Commons require proof of model release, and

Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

2010-01-18 Thread Nathan
a content provider) may not fully intersect with the needs of individual editors. And in any case, permanently deleting such images (so that they can't be recovered without extraordinary effort) has its own editorial and administrative benefits. Nathan _

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008/2009 Wikimedia Foundation Annual Report

2010-01-24 Thread Nathan
Great, great work folks. The report looks awesome and beautifully communicates the achievements of the Foundation and its projects in 08-09. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008/2009 Wikimedia Foundation Annual Report

2010-01-25 Thread Nathan
ons in dollars used before; its uncommon, but not incorrect. Kind of a picayune criticism anyway, that could have been communicated directly rather than on-list. ~Nathan -- Your donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation today: http://www.wikimediafoundat

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up

2010-01-31 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Risker wrote: > DGG, IRC is but one of the communication means being utilized. Further, this > is a cross-project, Foundation-led task group. > > Perhaps you might wish to review the summary of the preliminary work group, > and read the transcripts as they become a

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Fw: Subscription Payment Failed

2010-02-08 Thread Nathan
Think he meant to send this here. ~Nathan -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:23 PM Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fw: Subscription Payment Failed To: English Wikipedia Hey! What? You guys don't want my money? ~ Eli Friedman --Original Message--

Re: [Foundation-l] Sue Gardner, Erik Möller , Will iam Pietri: Where is FlaggedRevisions?

2010-02-28 Thread Nathan
...@mzmcbride.com > > > Have to ask, what disruptively unilateral actions are you contemplating if you don't get exactly the action you seek? Start up another website to collaborate on how to circumvent those lazy jamokes who aren't running at your speed? Coordinate the dele

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Nathan
license as everything else to facilitate reuse that complies with trademark law? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Nathan
What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? If the idea is to help readers understand how a word is pronounced in English, it should actually be useful to the majority of readers and not largely useless but academically perfec

Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for April 29

2010-04-30 Thread Nathan
ously been moderated. Limits and moderation have been the only tools effective against those who can't find the energy to be nice; reason has never worked, though it has been deployed at each opportunity. Let's use the tools at hand, and avoid sidetracking useful discussion with meta pr

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

2010-05-03 Thread Nathan
e primary role in rolling this out to the English Wikipedia (or at least, has been). Maybe William and Erik can comment on what the expectations are for the extension's documentation, and what sort of delay we can expect between the coming development end point and live

Re: [Foundation-l] How to make unstoppable petty complaint a feature?

2010-05-05 Thread Nathan
fort into this issue before soliciting new participants who are likely to be shocked at the editing culture. Nathan [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fastily#SYS_logo.png [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Fair_use ___ found

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you've written, but supporting open source games seems to be outside the normal scope of the WMF. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Uns

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
ation that makes the attempt, though. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

2010-05-06 Thread Nathan
last for the long term, and it's rightly skeptical about proposed initiatives that could divert focus away from its core mission. Having said that, I would be very happy to see Milos' prediction about MMORPG-style general Internet navigation come true. If anyone does make a

Re: [Foundation-l] The Fox Article

2010-05-07 Thread Nathan
You read that article, and what you got from it is that *Eric* is being unfair? Wow. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Nathan
so aggressively to Fox's counter-factual claims, we make it harder for our allies and responsible journalists to argue and prove that we are not guilty of hosting "child pornography" and tolerating pedophilia. That's too bad - as they say, the coverup is usually worse than

Re: [Foundation-l] "Filtering" ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread Nathan
been deleted, but for what? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] "Filtering" ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread Nathan
up his founder status, a large group of angry contributors, *and* more bad press from Fox. How is that defensible, given that the outcome was predictable? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Motives?

2010-05-12 Thread Nathan
What's shocking? There's no revelation in your post. Do we need yet one more thread discussing Jimmy's actions? It's probably time to let the soaring flames of outrage gutter out, since the Founder flag has been neutered and no other outcom

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-13 Thread Nathan
rovided releases for publishing the content. The regulations exist for a good reason - to protect the subjects of photos from abuse and invasion of privacy. Why should we avoid taking those same steps? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-13 Thread Nathan
ublic place. Topless sunbathing on a beach in Nice is not the same as a worldwide license for unlimited publicity. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-14 Thread Nathan
ltural values, obviously, and some self-serving interpretation of that tension (everyone seems to think they are being pressured to abide by the values of the misguided), but there must be some middle ground that allows for some minimal effective protection for

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Nathan
cc'd to lists that people read On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > I sincerely hate to sound repetitive and annoying, but since the switch to > Vector in en.wikipedia it's impossible to run a full-text search of > Wikipedia using the search box if there's an article by the s

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] full-text searching since the Vector switch in en.wikipedia

2010-05-19 Thread Nathan
gt; Yeah, they replaces A&B with C&D, then silently removed D. Be thankful > that you still have C, you ungrateful user, you! > > Magnus > The down arrow still works for me. If you click the magnifying glass (without terms in the search box), you get to

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming "Flagged Protections"

2010-05-24 Thread Nathan
e the community at the beginning? A request for endorsement of your favored options is not the same thing, and fails to harness real community enthusiasm. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-02 Thread Nathan
decisions the project was advised to take. I'm not sure how this can be resolved, but surely its a legitimate source for grumbling and not grounds for a personally accusatory response from the WMF. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Office action

2010-06-02 Thread Nathan
de_des_éditions_Gallimard_du_15_février_2010&diff=1547029&oldid=1547025 It says exactly why the pages were deleted, and lists them, and it was created around the same time the deletions occurred. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-02 Thread Nathan
tionally omitting or misleadingly characterizing facts. This isn't a court, perhaps it would be better to assume (or at least pretend to assume) good faith error on his part. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimed

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-03 Thread Nathan
n demand enforced. The uniqueness of French law doesn't seem to be terribly relevant - we can't ignore the copyrights on French content because the law in France is unusual. At any rate, with treaties and foreign laws and whatnot, this is legitimately an area where non-lawyers (like me) sh

Re: [Foundation-l] Communication

2010-06-04 Thread Nathan
nd informative communication isn't just a nice-if-you-can-get-it side benefit of dealing with a small company - it's essential to maintaining the fabric of a massively participatory and cooperative endeavor. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Communication

2010-06-04 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > I think if you look at what we did with regard to the Gallimard takedowns -- > > 1) Consulting with French legal experts before taking any action > 2) Compelling Gallimard to narrow and specify their takedown demands > 3) Enlisting community me

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-05 Thread Nathan
legal action in order for it to proceed against you. As for the second part, I'd imagine it means "anyone else's rights" as written - not specific to those that originate in the U.S. ~Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Are Wikimedia websites a proper venue for an artistic contest ?

2010-06-12 Thread Nathan
Does educational value figure in the PotD or PotY contests? It should. Other projects have contests to produce content; it drives participation and quality. As long as the value being sought is understood ("great content that furthers the project mission"), then I don't see the p

Re: [Foundation-l] Are Wikimedia websites a proper venue for an artistic contest ?

2010-06-12 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Nathan wrote: > Does educational value figure in the PotD or PotY contests? It should. > Other projects have contests to produce content; it drives > participation and quality. As long as the value being sought is > understood ("great content

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-13 Thread Nathan
. > What's relevant is that the WMF doesn't regard "wiki" as a protected mark. There are zillions of wikis out there, and whether they are actually massively editable (and in my experience, most of them actually are not) is irrelevant to the question of trademarks and the WM

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse

2010-06-17 Thread Nathan
Wow, this thread just needs to end. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-27 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 26 June 2010 14:44, Andre Engels wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters >> <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote: >>> Austin, >>> >>> Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. > > Wikiversity h

Re: [Foundation-l] Study of Potentially Objectionable Content

2010-06-30 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, private musings wrote: I think you have the wrong Robert Harris, PM. Robert L instead of Robert M. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listin

Re: [Foundation-l] three-letter language codes

2010-06-30 Thread Nathan
implifying the process of selecting new language codes, what value does consistency have in this situation? Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Ongoing FUD campaign against Wikipedia in Serbian

2010-07-05 Thread Nathan
In other words -- if people are getting that worked up about not having an article on the Serbian Wikipedia, it means you're successful and important enough for it to matter. Job well done! Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundat

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-13 Thread Nathan
g widely known among a certain group of people should stay "private" from those not already in the know). As an example I'll mention two of the problems you listed: firstly, the concerns about the WMF and its connection to US business interests, and secondly the notion of confirmed corr

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

2010-07-14 Thread Nathan
here? I'm not sure I understand what you meant to convey. You mention Essjay, problematic behavior, problematic credentials... and then refer to Michael Snow. Is there some connection here that I'm completely missing, or is the apparent implication unintended? Nathan __

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Nathan
out violating NPOV at some point. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Nathan
pedia.org/wiki/Marit_Ureu%C3%ABng_Nguy:Hercule#Wikipedia_and_Islam Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-17 Thread Nathan
slamic faith that *all* images of Muhammad are prohibited. On the English Wikipedia there have been many, many debates (and protests, boycotts, online petitions, etc.) about whether and how the [[Muhammad]] article should be illustrated with images of its subject. Nathan _

Re: [Foundation-l] Is Google translation is good for Wikipedias?

2010-07-28 Thread Nathan
Just to be sure I understand... What's happening here is that human beings, using a software tool, are translating articles from the English Wikipedia into a variety of other languages and posting them on the comparatively small Wikipedia projects in these languages. The articles, of unknown intrin

Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

2010-08-02 Thread Nathan
... I hear its a gentle, welcoming environment! Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

2010-08-03 Thread Nathan
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/us/03fbi.html?hpw The FBI sent a cease & desist letter to the WMF demanding the removal of the FBI seal from the English Wikipedia; Mike replied with, in the words of the New York Times, "a primer on the law." Well done,

Re: [Foundation-l] FBI Seal and Wikimedia

2010-08-03 Thread Nathan
ed this > story not online but in reading the Sydney Morning Herald today which calls > it a "politely feisty response". > > -Liam Interesting - the NY Times used the same language. Someone got it from someone, wonder which article came first (or if

Re: [Foundation-l] Partecipation in Wikimania 2011

2010-08-11 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: > Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare > step into Israeli soil. > That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team will still make every effort to include as many people as possible,

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
I'm interested in answers to the procedural questions, too. It's seems like a quixotic process, as laid out on the meta page. The board members are to be selected by completely unstructured discussion, with consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems to allow for the discussion to r

Re: [Foundation-l] Vice President?

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
Not surprisingly, the executive and board positions of the WMF follow U.S. convention. It's not super typical to mix the "executive director" nomenclature with president / vice president, but its common to have vice presidents reporting to a chief executive (who will often take the title of "Presid

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > > *Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board > > might refuse to certify the results? * > > I do really LOVE when you people ask questions that has already been > answered by a document, but let's quote again

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3

2012-02-01 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Marco Chiesa wrote: > > Please read > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws#ARTICLE_IV_-_THE_BOARD_OF_TRUSTEES > section 3D > > "Chapter-selected Trustees. Two Trustees will be selected by chapters > in even-numbered years according to a p

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising Letter Feb 2012

2012-02-09 Thread Nathan
r the "young" ones. > > Regards > Emmanuel > Payment processing is piggybacking on the annual WMF fundraiser; nothing prevents any chapter from raising funds on its own. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Nathan
> > I am concerned that trying to include them in that kind of process > wouldn't work due to the very flexible nature of such organisations. > "One Chapter - One Vote" is problematic as it is (eg. chapters > represent geographies of very different sizes, have very different > numbers of members, v

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained. > > Everyone in Brazil calls me "B" (yah, just the first letter) and here is > VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast > than to offend anyone.

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-16 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > No I will not apologize for act according with my culture. > > If Mister de Vreede has a problem with people from different cultures he > shouldn't be part of a international movement. > > (And besides if someone would complain about misspelli

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-22 Thread Nathan
Thanks for the heads up, Robert. This boils down to a fairly simple question for me - do I want to participate in the political disenfranchisement of Iranian (and other) authors and photographers? They have few rights of political participation in their own nations, and no control over whether thei

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-22 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Nathan, 22/02/2012 18:38: > > Thanks for the heads up, Robert. This boils down to a fairly simple >> question for me - do I want to participate in the political >> disenfranchisement of Iranian (and other) auth

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-22 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > > The proposed change would mean all works where the "country of origin" > > (as legally defined by US statutes) is a non-treaty state would be > > declared as public domain for the purpose of Wikipedia and allowed to > > be freely used. T

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-22 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Nathan, 22/02/2012 19:27: > > In a moral sense, if we treat authors poorly because they live in a >> country >> where they are treated poorly, not only are we reinforcing that poor >> treatment - w

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-23 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: > Can we agree that if the creator of a (reasonably recent) work from > one of these countries were ACTUALLY to request that the file be > deleted due to a copyright issue, we would grant the request rather > than rely on an omission or incompat

Re: [Foundation-l] English Wikipedia considering declaring open-season on works from countries lacking US copyright relations

2012-02-23 Thread Nathan
If folks commenting here would like a voice on the policy itself, feel free to comment on the RfC linked in the original post. It could still use more input. ~Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Foundation-l] Anti-ACTA protest tomorrow in Belgrade and blackout of Serbian Wikipedia

2012-02-24 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > > I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the > method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. > But > I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea. > > Marc > > I

Re: [Foundation-l] WikiNews...no NOT Wikinews

2012-02-27 Thread Nathan
It looks like it's just a promotion for Wikinews. It doesn't refer to or link anywhere else. It's not totally accurate, from what I understand of Wikinews, but I'm not sure how it's a threat? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] A discussion list for Wikimedia (not "Foundation") matters

2012-03-05 Thread Nathan
I think wikimedia-l would work fine and make sense. We probably don't need an additional list, a lot of the lists we have now are lightly used. I appreciate that Erik unsubscribed from internal-l. I think more people should do the same thing, on the principle that discussions about the Wikimedia F

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-05 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:06 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers wrote: > > > Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I > > personally think on the issue at all, as I often explicitly ignored > > speculation about my own personal views or motivations

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-08 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > > > Whew. We as a community figured that it would be insuperable from > the get go, about 9 years ago. And Jimbo duely banned the first > proposers. Glat to know the board is up to date, only 9 years late. > "We as a community" don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

2012-03-09 Thread Nathan
ust one way in which it enforces its view of knowledge; acceding to or refusing to filter content in any way is also enforcing a particular view of both knowledge and the world. It would do both sides well to approach this argument with a little less arrogance and self-righteousness. Nathan ___

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