On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move
> would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling.
They haven't moved yet. I bet we can safely let this topic drop, thou
;t immediately bring to mind the proliferation of personal wikis
on the web.
Nathan
[1]: The English Wikiversity, for example, has less than 12k "content
pages", while the German Wikiversity has only 1800. En.wikiversity has
175k registered users, but only 25 administrators. The English
WikiSo
I don't think that this sort of moderation has been common in the
past, but I think the moderation of Greg Kohs went a bit far - and for
the reasons outlined by Greg Maxwell.
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ld be developed jointly
with innovative school systems or teacher groups, or even partnerships
between schools in different countries aimed at allowing international
cooperative learning. We may not be able to organically generate the
Wikimedia community interest
the
behind-the-scenes communication, or even whether extenuating
circumstances (such as all founding members in fact living in
different cities) make the funding level more appropriate than it
seems on face value.
Thanks,
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ion staff and other chapter groups, and the grant review
process should be seen as an avenue to deliver that experience in
addition to funding.
I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
on chapter re
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it, and what monitoring steps were planned, which I'm still curious
about. Sorry for the unclear wording.
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dia Italia makes an
announcement on how to contribute to its legal defense fund (assuming
it does not declare bankruptcy/dissolve based on liability alone).
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Thanks Sue. You mention a sort of re-envisioning process for the Chief
Program Officer role - can you give us an idea of the challenges that
you and Jennifer encountered with the current concept of a CPO, and
what types of changes you might consider making?
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It was relevant until it became clear that Wikimedia Italia had
actually been served, which was not evident from the initial post.
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>
> Right. What's a program expense? What *should* be a program expense?
> * keeping servers online?
> * Wikimania?
> * producing how-to guides?
> * improving mediawiki?
>
>
> Since all the documentation is readily available, like Mike Snow said
the importance of
> such a rating, in which case, I would say mission very well accomplished.
>
> Greg
I'm curious what importance you attach to the Charity Navigator
rating, and how you think it is (or should be) relevant to the
operations of the WMF. Care to explain?
N
ise, though, it seems like a cool gadget for people who don't
have a smartphone of some sort.
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remedies are
available to the folks whose work is included, but I think generally
speaking they may not have much motivation or means. Wikipedia content
is reused all across the web and in print without the type of
attribution required by the GFDL - this is nothing new.
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is reused all across the web and in print without the type of
attribution required by the GFDL - this is nothing new.
Nathan
(Replying again on the thread with a subject.)
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e is fired; every office has people like that. But we're not
entitled to it, its poor manners to ask, and the Foundation is right
to decline such requests.
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Pedro Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Nathan wrote:
>
>>
>> Gregory Maxwell argues that the Wikimedia Foundation should
>> voluntarily submit to the type of openness required of government
>> agencies; I suspect th
project.
Is this because you're upset at being moderated on wikinews-l?
Nathan
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:02 PM, wrote:
> Wikinews should be gracefully shut down. It's long since failed to serve
> any service to the community or to the world. Few to no Wikipedia articles
>
we ought to require actual model releases on
sexually explicit photographs. We will gain far more by protecting the
safety and privacy of image subjects than we stand to lose in the
volume of explicit photos.
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> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
We should ignore them because they want to get paid for their work?
Why? Frankly, I think the NY Times and other companies should require
payment for much of their work as well. I'm willing to pay for their
content, its worth it.
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>
> A book can be found in a library and consequently there is a way to verify.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
The request was to summarize the main points. That's certainly legal.
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(strategy, chapter projects, etc.) - proving that
setting up a new MediaWiki instance with attendant arrangements isn't
a major hurdle. Once you've accomplished all the steps, you can import
your old wiki into your new wiki and get back to work.
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onal account. Simply state on the user page "My name is John
Smith, public relations representative for ACME Cola Inc. Please
contact me at john.sm...@acmecola.com or 800-ACM-COLA, or use my
talkpage." If they want to voluntarily identify their organizational
affiliation, then nothing
Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively
absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like
them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if
it were Tiger Woods...
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page seems like a convenient way for people to sign themselves
up, not an invitation to Wikipedia editors to intervene when they find
some content inappropriate.
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re I've ever developed is some VBA macros for Excel.
>
David, the part William quoted was his own prior post. I think he was
replying to what you had actually written, but neglected to include it
in his quote.
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hiccups with the banner content, this fundraiser
appears to be (by a wide margin) the most successful in Wikimedia's
history.
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se images were deleted on Commons in 2008 - but since then, many
new ones have been uploaded.
To avoid the very real chance that the subjects of explicit photos are
underage or have not given publishing consent, I would like to see
Commons require proof of model release, and age verification, fo
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2010/1/14 Nathan :
>> To avoid the very real chance that the subjects of explicit photos are
>> underage or have not given publishing consent, I would like to see
>> Commons require proof of model release, and
a
content provider) may not fully intersect with the needs of individual
editors.
And in any case, permanently deleting such images (so that they can't
be recovered without extraordinary effort) has its own editorial and
administrative benefits.
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Great, great work folks. The report looks awesome and beautifully
communicates the achievements of the Foundation and its projects in
08-09.
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ons in
dollars used before; its uncommon, but not incorrect. Kind of a
picayune criticism anyway, that could have been communicated directly
rather than on-list.
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Risker wrote:
> DGG, IRC is but one of the communication means being utilized. Further, this
> is a cross-project, Foundation-led task group.
>
> Perhaps you might wish to review the summary of the preliminary work group,
> and read the transcripts as they become a
Think he meant to send this here.
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Hey! What? You guys don't want my money?
~ Eli Friedman
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>
>
Have to ask, what disruptively unilateral actions are you
contemplating if you don't get exactly the action you seek? Start up
another website to collaborate on how to circumvent those lazy jamokes
who aren't running at your speed? Coordinate the dele
license as everything else to facilitate reuse that complies
with trademark law?
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What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our
readership can't interpret? If the idea is to help readers understand
how a word is pronounced in English, it should actually be useful to
the majority of readers and not largely useless but academically
perfec
ously been moderated. Limits and
moderation have been the only tools effective against those who can't
find the energy to be nice; reason has never worked, though it has
been deployed at each opportunity. Let's use the tools at hand, and
avoid sidetracking useful discussion with meta pr
e primary role in rolling this out to the
English Wikipedia (or at least, has been). Maybe William and Erik can
comment on what the expectations are for the extension's
documentation, and what sort of delay we can expect between the coming
development end point and live
fort into this
issue before soliciting new participants who are likely to be shocked
at the editing culture.
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fastily#SYS_logo.png
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sfan00_IMG#Fair_use
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I'm not sure I'm correctly understanding what you've written, but
supporting open source games seems to be outside the normal scope of
the WMF.
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last for the long term, and it's rightly skeptical about
proposed initiatives that could divert focus away from its core
mission.
Having said that, I would be very happy to see Milos' prediction about
MMORPG-style general Internet navigation come true. If anyone does
make a
You read that article, and what you got from it is that *Eric* is
being unfair? Wow.
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so aggressively to Fox's
counter-factual claims, we make it harder for our allies and
responsible journalists to argue and prove that we are not guilty of
hosting "child pornography" and tolerating pedophilia. That's too bad
- as they say, the coverup is usually worse than
been deleted, but for what?
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up his founder status, a large group of angry
contributors, *and* more bad press from Fox. How is that defensible,
given that the outcome was predictable?
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What's shocking? There's no revelation in your post. Do we need yet
one more thread discussing Jimmy's actions? It's probably time to let
the soaring flames of outrage gutter out, since the Founder flag has
been neutered and no other outcom
rovided releases for publishing the content. The regulations exist
for a good reason - to protect the subjects of photos from abuse and
invasion of privacy. Why should we avoid taking those same steps?
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ublic place. Topless sunbathing
on a beach in Nice is not the same as a worldwide license for
unlimited publicity.
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ltural values, obviously, and some self-serving interpretation of
that tension (everyone seems to think they are being pressured to
abide by the values of the misguided), but there must be some middle
ground that allows for some minimal effective protection for
cc'd to lists that people read
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
wrote:
> I sincerely hate to sound repetitive and annoying, but since the switch to
> Vector in en.wikipedia it's impossible to run a full-text search of
> Wikipedia using the search box if there's an article by the s
gt; Yeah, they replaces A&B with C&D, then silently removed D. Be thankful
> that you still have C, you ungrateful user, you!
>
> Magnus
>
The down arrow still works for me. If you click the magnifying glass
(without terms in the search box), you get to
e the community at
the beginning? A request for endorsement of your favored options is
not the same thing, and fails to harness real community enthusiasm.
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decisions the project was advised to take. I'm
not sure how this can be resolved, but surely its a legitimate source
for grumbling and not grounds for a personally accusatory response
from the WMF.
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It says exactly why the pages were deleted, and lists them, and it was
created around the same time the deletions occurred.
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tionally omitting or misleadingly characterizing facts.
This isn't a court, perhaps it would be better to assume (or at least
pretend to assume) good faith error on his part.
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n demand enforced. The uniqueness of
French law doesn't seem to be terribly relevant - we can't ignore the
copyrights on French content because the law in France is unusual. At
any rate, with treaties and foreign laws and whatnot, this is
legitimately an area where non-lawyers (like me) sh
nd informative
communication isn't just a nice-if-you-can-get-it side benefit of
dealing with a small company - it's essential to maintaining the
fabric of a massively participatory and cooperative endeavor.
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On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote:
> I think if you look at what we did with regard to the Gallimard takedowns --
>
> 1) Consulting with French legal experts before taking any action
> 2) Compelling Gallimard to narrow and specify their takedown demands
> 3) Enlisting community me
legal action in order for it to proceed against
you.
As for the second part, I'd imagine it means "anyone else's rights" as
written - not specific to those that originate in the U.S.
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Does educational value figure in the PotD or PotY contests? It should.
Other projects have contests to produce content; it drives
participation and quality. As long as the value being sought is
understood ("great content that furthers the project mission"), then I
don't see the p
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Nathan wrote:
> Does educational value figure in the PotD or PotY contests? It should.
> Other projects have contests to produce content; it drives
> participation and quality. As long as the value being sought is
> understood ("great content
.
>
What's relevant is that the WMF doesn't regard "wiki" as a protected
mark. There are zillions of wikis out there, and whether they are
actually massively editable (and in my experience, most of them
actually are not) is irrelevant to the question of trademarks and the
WM
Wow, this thread just needs to end.
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On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> On 26 June 2010 14:44, Andre Engels wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>> <17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
>>> Austin,
>>>
>>> Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity.
>
> Wikiversity h
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, private musings wrote:
I think you have the wrong Robert Harris, PM. Robert L instead of Robert M.
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implifying the process of selecting new language codes,
what value does consistency have in this situation?
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In other words -- if people are getting that worked up about not
having an article on the Serbian Wikipedia, it means you're successful
and important enough for it to matter. Job well done!
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g widely known
among a certain group of people should stay "private" from those not
already in the know). As an example I'll mention two of the problems
you listed: firstly, the concerns about the WMF and its connection to
US business interests, and secondly the notion of confirmed corr
here? I'm not sure I
understand what you meant to convey. You mention Essjay, problematic
behavior, problematic credentials... and then refer to Michael Snow.
Is there some connection here that I'm completely missing, or is the
apparent implication unintended?
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violating NPOV at some point.
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slamic faith that *all* images of Muhammad are prohibited. On the
English Wikipedia there have been many, many debates (and protests,
boycotts, online petitions, etc.) about whether and how the
[[Muhammad]] article should be illustrated with images of its subject.
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Just to be sure I understand... What's happening here is that human
beings, using a software tool, are translating articles from the
English Wikipedia into a variety of other languages and posting them
on the comparatively small Wikipedia projects in these languages. The
articles, of unknown intrin
... I hear its a gentle, welcoming environment!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/us/03fbi.html?hpw
The FBI sent a cease & desist letter to the WMF demanding the removal
of the FBI seal from the English Wikipedia; Mike replied with, in the
words of the New York Times, "a primer on the law." Well done,
ed this
> story not online but in reading the Sydney Morning Herald today which calls
> it a "politely feisty response".
>
> -Liam
Interesting - the NY Times used the same language. Someone got it from
someone, wonder which article came first (or if
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Abbas Mahmoud wrote:
> Not only the Middle East, but the Muslim population at large will not dare
> step into Israeli soil.
>
That's a pretty broad generalization - hopefully the organizing team
will still make every effort to include as many people as possible,
I'm interested in answers to the procedural questions, too.
It's seems like a quixotic process, as laid out on the meta page. The board
members are to be selected by completely unstructured discussion, with
consensus judged by the moderators. The process even seems to allow for the
discussion to r
Not surprisingly, the executive and board positions of the WMF follow U.S.
convention. It's not super typical to mix the "executive director"
nomenclature with president / vice president, but its common to have vice
presidents reporting to a chief executive (who will often take the title of
"Presid
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
>
> *Is there some threshold for participation beneath which the current Board
> > might refuse to certify the results? *
>
> I do really LOVE when you people ask questions that has already been
> answered by a document, but let's quote again
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Marco Chiesa wrote:
>
> Please read
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws#ARTICLE_IV_-_THE_BOARD_OF_TRUSTEES
> section 3D
>
> "Chapter-selected Trustees. Two Trustees will be selected by chapters
> in even-numbered years according to a p
r the "young" ones.
>
> Regards
> Emmanuel
>
Payment processing is piggybacking on the annual WMF fundraiser; nothing
prevents any chapter from raising funds on its own.
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>
> I am concerned that trying to include them in that kind of process
> wouldn't work due to the very flexible nature of such organisations.
> "One Chapter - One Vote" is problematic as it is (eg. chapters
> represent geographies of very different sizes, have very different
> numbers of members, v
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
> Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained.
>
> Everyone in Brazil calls me "B" (yah, just the first letter) and here is
> VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast
> than to offend anyone.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
> No I will not apologize for act according with my culture.
>
> If Mister de Vreede has a problem with people from different cultures he
> shouldn't be part of a international movement.
>
> (And besides if someone would complain about misspelli
Thanks for the heads up, Robert. This boils down to a fairly simple
question for me - do I want to participate in the political
disenfranchisement of Iranian (and other) authors and photographers? They
have few rights of political participation in their own nations, and no
control over whether thei
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
> Nathan, 22/02/2012 18:38:
>
> Thanks for the heads up, Robert. This boils down to a fairly simple
>> question for me - do I want to participate in the political
>> disenfranchisement of Iranian (and other) auth
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Marcin Cieslak wrote:
> > The proposed change would mean all works where the "country of origin"
> > (as legally defined by US statutes) is a non-treaty state would be
> > declared as public domain for the purpose of Wikipedia and allowed to
> > be freely used. T
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Nathan, 22/02/2012 19:27:
>
> In a moral sense, if we treat authors poorly because they live in a
>> country
>> where they are treated poorly, not only are we reinforcing that poor
>> treatment - w
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote:
> Can we agree that if the creator of a (reasonably recent) work from
> one of these countries were ACTUALLY to request that the file be
> deleted due to a copyright issue, we would grant the request rather
> than rely on an omission or incompat
If folks commenting here would like a voice on the policy itself, feel free
to comment on the RfC linked in the original post. It could still use more
input.
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>
> I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the
> method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project.
> But
> I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea.
>
> Marc
>
>
I
It looks like it's just a promotion for Wikinews. It doesn't refer to or
link anywhere else. It's not totally accurate, from what I understand of
Wikinews, but I'm not sure how it's a threat?
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I think wikimedia-l would work fine and make sense. We probably don't need
an additional list, a lot of the lists we have now are lightly used.
I appreciate that Erik unsubscribed from internal-l. I think more people
should do the same thing, on the principle that discussions about the
Wikimedia F
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:06 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 6 March 2012 00:57, phoebe ayers wrote:
>
> > Well, in my opinion I haven't given much indication of what I
> > personally think on the issue at all, as I often explicitly ignored
> > speculation about my own personal views or motivations
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:13 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
wrote:
>
>
> Whew. We as a community figured that it would be insuperable from
> the get go, about 9 years ago. And Jimbo duely banned the first
> proposers. Glat to know the board is up to date, only 9 years late.
>
"We as a community" don't
ust one way in which it
enforces its view of knowledge; acceding to or refusing to filter content
in any way is also enforcing a particular view of both knowledge and the
world. It would do both sides well to approach this argument with a little
less arrogance and self-righteousness.
Nathan
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