Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

On 30/01/2011 13:10, koteche mcintosh wrote: > People choose to donate just like before. But on a regular basis. everyone > can see the fund. Everyone is part of the story. this GALVANIZES > support. Shoes governments the POWER of public opinion. Creates a virtual > community striving for infor

Re: [Foundation-l] Questions about new Fellow

On 21/01/2011 03:36, whothis wrote: > Thanks for introducing yourself Achal after so many years on the Advisory > Board. Dare I suggest, you add part of that introduction to your Advisory > Board page on one of the wikis. About the 5 year plan, dare I suggest you > get around to reading that one of

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

On 19/01/2011 06:04, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > I remember > still how in the middle of tough but slowly progressing discussion on > global admins on Meta within a day several hundred en.wp users apparently > unhappy with the fact that somebody may be rolling back their edits came, > voted no,

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

I'd like to precise because of my bad english that I don't how to handle "polite" questioning without looking condescending or angry. I am uttering my words with the most profound respect to Erik even if I dissent about some topics with him. Erik wrote: >> I don't think any of the fundraising ban

Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

Are you saying that WMF has put itself in a huge dependence relationship with money? That it could be forced to require third parties' help if the donations are insufficient? That would be throwing itself into the lion's den. What was worth risking so much its economical autonomy and mission? I hop

Re: [Foundation-l] Tendrl to Knowino

On 20/12/2010 15:31, David Gerard wrote: > On 20 December 2010 17:15, MZMcBride wrote: >> Marc Riddell wrote: > On 19/12/2010 23:07, Fred Bauder wrote: > There can be no viable alternative to Wikipedia. > >>> This is the type of thinking that sets you up to being blindsided. > >> In th

Re: [Foundation-l] Tendrl to Knowino

On 19/12/2010 23:07, Fred Bauder wrote: >> There can be no viable > alternative to Wikipedia. > > Fred > > User:Fred Bauder What? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

On 09/12/2010 21:20, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > [...]thinking that we could manage to raise the yield slightly by > deliberately attempting to clarify (not to confuse) for people that > the Wikimedia Foundation was directly affiliated with Wikipedia. You are saying that it was intentional. > Whe

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

You don't receive your own mails. We got two copies of your previous mail. You can check on the pipermail. [1] [1]: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/ On 09/12/2010 19:39, Huib Laurens wrote: > Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? > > > 2010/12/9 Aust

Re: [Foundation-l] Ethics (was: Corporate Social Responsibility)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What I thought was a simple question has generated a volley of strong answers, even some hostility. This was not the original topic. So I will wrap my intervention and be gone for a while. ==Representation== As far as I know, there is no survey of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein wrote: > >> I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close >> your mind to my ideas just because you've never hea

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 09:37, Craig Franklin wrote: > I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal > expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an > unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competen

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/11/2010 02:40, Nathan wrote: > I've never heard of a major charity in the world without at least some paid > employees. Hello Nathan. I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close your mind to my ideas just because you've

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote: > The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on 29 > April 2010. Link: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/WMF_2008_2009_Form_990.pdf > > The section on salaries begins on

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/11/2010 19:22, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Noein, personally, I would think that a "duty of transparency about money" > and publicizing information about a private employee's salary, benefits, or > severance packages

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/11/2010 18:48, Fred Bauder wrote: > I suspect it is more to avoid embarrassing him by disclosing he worked > for so little than to hide Wikimedia business. By "I suspect" do you mean that you are speculating? I think we should stick to facts, sin

Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate Social Responsibility

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/11/2010 11:42, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard wrote: >>> On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud wrote: >>> Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility? >>> >>> >>> http://en.wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm very naive on this subject, but from what I understood there are two ethnic groups (independent or not, it doesn't change this cultural fact). And one of this group has two official languages. So, regardless of the political agendas, why don't we

Re: [Foundation-l] wikimedia fundraiser

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did they add a button "Read Now" on the donation campaign banner or did I miss it earlier? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4RGkAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z

Re: [Foundation-l] wikimedia fundraiser

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did they add a button "Read Now" on the donation campaign banner or did I miss it earlier? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJM4RJiAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 19:14, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, SlimVirgin wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:59, Ting Chen wrote: >>> I know that also this example is not without flaw, as comparisons always >>> are. What I want to say

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 18:10, Michael Snow wrote: > Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy > PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is > associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If Wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 17:51, SlimVirgin wrote: > I understand exactly what you're saying, Ting, and I appreciate your > thoughtful response. I suppose my reaction is an emotional one, but > I'd argue no less valid for that. It's that much of the content of > W

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 17:25, Robert S. Horning wrote: > Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very > mailing list. If you go into the archives and look up Wikijunior to see > some of the efforts that were made, including some initial

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 16:59, Ting Chen wrote: > I searched a little on meta and the oldest thing I found related to this > is from the Foundation Report of January 2008 [1]. So I cannot tell you > how the contract came into being. As you know, the Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/11/2010 07:40, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni wrote: >> >>> We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a >>> period of 1 (one) year offering

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm forwarding this message from "Cyrano". - On 12/11/2010 02:06, Erik Moeller wrote: > > A bit of general background: > > > > The Collection/"Book creator" feature allows managing, organizing and > > exporting content in PDF and

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I > still can't figure out if PediaPress is a non-profit organization or a > for-profit company. I think there's a large distinction between the > Wikimedia Foundation taking a co

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2010 01:33, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Everything that is done incorrectly because of funding is also done by >> those who have an intellectual or emotional stake in the outcome > Yes, and that's where we fall down. Many of us are editors with p

Re: [Foundation-l] No, even a couple of Google ads on each page would be a fatally bad idea

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2010 18:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > An interesting idea would be a standalone static copy of > wikipedia that really tried their utmost to make the product > visually appealing, and used the generated money from the > advertisements pur

Re: [Foundation-l] the annual advertisement discussion

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/11/2010 19:44, Fred Bauder wrote: > How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the > table each year? Please don't take this as any personal attack, but did we reach such a philosophical and wise government in the foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] Funding Sources of Medical Research, was Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing...

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There are strong economic interests to cheat about medical research, so we should be extremely fair, transparent and informative about those articles. Mentioning the funding source of any research is the building base of critical trust.[1] [1]: criti

Re: [Foundation-l] the annual advertisement discussion

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2010 17:37, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > I care more about realising our ambitions, I > care about getting our message out. Personally, I care also about the means. I wouldn't like cupidity as the core of wikipedia. Money, thus, should not bec

[Foundation-l] message from Cyrano

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was sent this. I don't know what to do of it. * * * "Due to a large amount of spam, emails from non-members of this list are now automatically rejected. If you have a valuable contribution to the list but would rather not subscribe to i

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is not fair to censor Peter and then still talk about him and what he said. One or the other can be justified (and should be), but not both at the same time. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/10/2010 19:48, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > What is the main point of wikipedia to edit it, or to read it? Could it be both or do we get to choose only one? > NOTE: when reading an article or a book one rarely looks at the > references.

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/2010 17:54, Peter Damian wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Noein" > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you, your answers reveal quite clearly your vision. (I disagree, though, but that's not important). A few comments below... On 04/10/2010 15:58, Peter Damian wrote: > How is the problem of making a difficult subject clear different in the case

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I still have 80 mails to read to be up-to-date about the current polemic, but I would like to ask a question to you Peter. You said that experts can bring knowledge to readers, but that some editors are aggressive idiots with whom there is no possible

Re: [Foundation-l] Has Wikipedia changed since 2005?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/09/2010 19:47, Peter Damian wrote: > To the other > Wikipedians here: is there a problem with academics 'talking down'? Do they > have a problem explaining their ideas in articles? Are they 'too rarified' > to be included in Wikipedia? If s

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I couldn't have said it as well. I agree with the concerns of Jamie and their importance. On 13/09/2010 22:14, emijrp wrote: > Hi all; > > I think that Jamie has started an important topic. I don't think that WMF is > going to usurp Wikipedia and th

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF Chapter Development Director job posting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I understand correctly the situation, the USA community currently interact with Wikipedia through the Foundation or the en. chapter, which are not necessarily representative of their interests. The point of view that a chapter should represent the U

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: > This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in > various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two > different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. > There w

Re: [Foundation-l] Money, politics and corruption

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Corruption is a deep concern because it's a transformative and invasive force/process. It's not just a stain, it's rather like an oil spill: growing bigger, with consequences on every level. The more a community let the corruption in, the more the comm

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010-11 Annual Plan Now Posted to FoundationWebsite

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If something of similar consequences as the kill switch [1] were triggered against the WMF in USA, would it still be accessible for the rest of the world? [1]: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/obama-internet-kill-switch-proposed-20100

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy "one language - one Wikipedia"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just my 2c thoughts exploring the idea. I don't know if wikipedia should have a chapter specific to children because it would be culturally biased by our views about education. I think it would be better to aim for a specific psychological profile and

Re: [Foundation-l] English language dominationism is striking again

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh, this function is very interesting. If it were coupled with a function to get synonyms and metonyms (ie, equidae, mount) as a proposal to enlarge or explore a concept, then a semantic map would be created to navigate Commons in all languages. Maybe

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation of Encyclopedic Entries on Famous Poems

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh Kubla Khan! Jorge Luis Borges was fond of the palace's story and the poem. Thank you for your hard work. On 22/06/2010 02:05, Jeffrey Peters wrote: > Dear List, > > My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently > working on

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 23:23, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > If you're never read it, you'd probably enjoy this article from the Journal > of American History penned by the late, great Dr. Roy Rosenzweig from June > 2006: > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 03:25, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: > But now it's standard for any site to have well-structured "facepages" > (profiles) to provide for academic the mean to: > * properly introduce himself/herself; > * get the idea about who is some other contri

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 01:49, Milos Rancic wrote: > * At another faculty we have a teaching assistant among Wikimedians. > After two projects, we've concluded cooperation because students > didn't quite understand work on Wikipedia and started with > confrontat

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 04:33, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > Attracting consumers is a much more complicated issue than attracting > editors. Editors seem to find their niche or go away. > > Attracting readers takes a constant vigilance over how Wikimedia projects

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wikipedia should be kept a neutral repository of knowledge, not a social ground for games. Once you take the path of creating a futile community, there is no way to talk about the long term goals of the WMF, the vision, the ethics, the humanity, the kn

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/06/2010 19:53, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > My jaw just dropped. While I know these are ideas intended to help increase > the socialization, this is turning Wikipedia into youtube. The day that > happens I'm resigning all my permissions and packin

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some ideas to increase the social aspect of Wikipedia: - - insert a small chat with channels for each chapter (for example where the interwiki links were ;) ) - - make a tab for personal comments for articles, where people can express their feelings -

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2010 12:01, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > You are as always, as pellucid as a brick of coal, and totally > off topic to boot. Please feel welcome to not post comments > like that again. The fact that you don't understand, don't agree with, o

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/06/2010 03:28, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > I recall reading that IBM improved its > participation in the Linux kernel community by getting rid of all > internal communications among its kernel developers, meaning they had > to use the public project l

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2010 20:32, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Mark Williamson wrote: >> Aryeh, I was under the (apparently mistaken?) impression that at >> Wikipedia, the community makes the decisions > > Not exactly. If the community

Re: [Foundation-l] Communication

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for your opinions. I'd like to clarify my criticism. What Mike has done and is doing is honorable; he's dedicating efforts and patience to the community. He has nothing to do with my questioning. What I see is that WMF doesn't always publis

Re: [Foundation-l] Communication

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you Phoebe, you've been of a great help. I'll ponder your answers for a while. On 03/06/2010 07:21, phoebe ayers wrote: > Hi Noein, > > With no comment on the issue you were interested in, you raise good > qu

[Foundation-l] Communication

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been watching the dialogues between the WMF and this mailing list for a while now and most of the conflicts are the same: bad communication. This is apparently not due to individuals but institutional. I'm still ignorant of many aspects of the i

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 When you enter your car and drive to your destination, you make hundreds of gestures but use only once the key, at the beginning. Yet without an easy, obvious access to the keyhole, you wouldn't drive at all. My point? Frequency of click is not the ult

Re: [Foundation-l] Participation of intellectual professions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/05/2010 22:42, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >> 3. High level physicists also stay away from it. (for example most of >> the theoretical information about [[quasars]] comes from the 1960's. >> Current information on the net is frequently only ava

[Foundation-l] Participation of intellectual professions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The premises: 1. I just had a short chat with [[Erik Orsenna]], a member of the [[Académie française]] who "loves to learn and pass along knowledge". He's also interested in the adventure of knowledge and in the democratic processes and appreciate bein

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some thoughts, not aiming at anybody in particular. The pressure from Fox News, the childish founders' jealousies, the void FBI threats, the "patriarch complex" of Mr. Wales, if they're real, should be of no inflated importance. Our personal tastes ab

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/05/2010 13:01, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > I don't know that reaching everybody was ever a stated goal. Being > theoretically available to everybody is a different matter... Ah, that's the part that is not clear to me. If you talk about the intrinsi

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for this deep analysis. While claiming that we should not compromise any of the principles, you didn't address directly the possibility that we won't reach everybody if we don't compromise. Reaching every human is a (currently and apparently)

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/2010 12:44, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > I would propose that the reason we are subject to such a _small_ > amount of complaint about our content is that much of the world > understands that what Wikipedia does is —in a sense— deeply subversive >

Re: [Foundation-l] Another board member statement

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Kat, I'm not used to the level of finesse of your thoughts and this time I chose to think aloud to help me. The result is this long mail that other may find useful. Maybe. Please let me know if they're not, or if I misunderstood you. As for the v

Re: [Foundation-l] "Filtering" ourselves is pointless

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is anyone here really concerned by Fox News actions? From the beginning it seemed to me that what they were barking about were of no impact: they would confirm the WMF's opponents in their opinions and obtain an indifferent or amused shrug from the res

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2010 07:56, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva wrote: > 2010/5/10 Marcus Buck : >> J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov hett schreven: >>> I have a problem with basing it on IP addresses. As a non Muslim in a Muslim >>> country, why should Wikimedia decide t

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons:Sexual content

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2010 05:51, Andre Engels wrote: > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: >> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:23:28AM +0200, Andre Engels wrote: >>> Being educational should be just another word for being in scope, and >>> in scope are,

Re: [Foundation-l] [OT] Am I the only one...

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2010 22:10, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Aphaia wrote: > >> Is there any option to tell them commons has its own mailing list >> instead of adding it to the foundation-l? >> > > I think Austin touched upon this as

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I put my impressions of the moment on this discussion page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Censorship#Some_reflexions_following_the_censorship_polemic_of_May_2010 On 09/05/2010 20:04, Sue Gardner wrote: > Yeah, Pryzkuta, I know there are lots o

Re: [Foundation-l] Potential ICRA labels for Wikipedia

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2010 10:24, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: > This message is CC'ed to other people who might wish to comment on this > potential approach > --- > > Dear reader at FOSI, > > As a member of the Wikipedia community and the community that develops the

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2010 05:46, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 5/8/10 10:02 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: >> The deletions themselves aren't the problem; the manner in which they >> were carried out is. As a lawyer you should understand that the due >> process is important

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2010 02:12, Pedro Sanchez wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Noein wrote: > >> >> I'm surprised it is apparently needed to be said, but I'm here too >> because I have faith in "universal values&

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/05/2010 00:05, Milos Rancic wrote: > There are some political reasons of why I am here. And they are about > our values: all human knowledge... not censored... consensus > culture... building encyclopedia etc., not surrealistic comedy... > [..] >

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2010 22:20, Casey Brown wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: >> The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a >> descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the content, and >> allows h

Re: [Foundation-l] A Board member's perspective

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2010 20:52, Stuart West wrote: > (1) There were some bad actors at work (e.g. hardcore pornography > distributors taking advantage of our open culture to get free anonymous > hosting). (2) As a community (including the Board), we debated th

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "Imagine a world where every single media and government on the planet is given free censorship on the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're king of." I agree with Mike Godwin that this crisis is an constructive opportunity, not just a destruc

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A technical and sincerely genuine question about this list. Is somebody, some bot or some site synthesizing our emailed discussion, or is everything vanishing as soon as it is spoken? In this last case, shouldn't we keep an organized trace of the threa

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This, my friends, beyond the porn debate, is an important lesson about the vulnerability of wikipedia. You just have to threaten or convince Mr. Wales to control or shutdown the entire project. The whole community is powerless. When this crisis is over

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for this analysis, Milos. I think you should definitely take the time to explain yourself more often since 1/ your bold statements are not unanimously intuitive 2/ we need to share visions, skills and knowledge to understand what we're talkin

Re: [Foundation-l] MMORPG and Wikimedia

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please stop any sarcasm. There are ideas worth the consideration, as with any newly available technological tool. We're aiming in this mailing list to shape the futur of the human knowledge through the foundation, right? So it is right to talk about th

Re: [Foundation-l] Flagged Protection update for April 29

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Respect. If you can't, use private mail. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL25CxAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z6LC8MIANso1Zh8avMk3EAeYwtZ4Tse nFt7NBCbSa67bWJOW5

[Foundation-l] Comments on New Reports from November 2008 Survey Released

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I've been reading the survey. http://wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_NonContributors_15March2010-FINAL.pdf Suggestions: a) In my opinion, one of the things that make the learning curb steep to start editing is the fact that most of the es