[Wiki] Idea Summaries

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello List, there have been some ideas/proposals/discussions around and I wanted to start putting those I know about into the wiki so they can be referred to once we have a chance to start working on them. Is that a good idea? I registered at the apache cwiki with "martin.heidegger" but do no

Re: [Wiki] Idea Summaries

2012-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Martin, On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > ...I registered at the apache cwiki with "martin.heidegger" but do not have > privileges yet... You should now be able to write to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX We haven't decided yet how we'll manage the wi

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/5/12 9:05 AM, "Nicholas Kwiatkowski" wrote: > Martin, > > There are no unit tests for each module. They do not exist. Adobe has > typically only done functional testing (using their custom testing suite). > One of the early goals of at least some of the PPMC members is to make the > S

RE: Mailing list footers?

2012-02-06 Thread David Arno
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] > Sent: 06 February 2012 06:46 > > I suggest adding just this: All sounds good to me. David.

[RESULT][VOTE] final vote for logo color(s) selection

2012-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >... Please cast your votes, with a +1 for *only one* of the following > options out of the above image:... See below for the vote results, the leftmost 4-colored logo from http://www.fusecollective.com/apache-flex/apache_flex_colors.jpg

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Rui Silva
> From: "Peter Elst" > > Once all the practical steps are over, I look forward to more contributions > and less discussion which - with all due respect - does more to divide us > into opposing camps than get excited about the potential of the technology. > There is no need to purely see things

RE: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread David Arno
> From: Rui Silva [mailto:f...@rduartes.net] > Sent: 06 February 2012 09:33 > > If anyone thinks that he/she will sway the opinion of the group simply by > speaking out his reasoning without giving actual proof of feasibility, then they're > thinking it wrong. At least, that's not what I see in

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Elst
> I struggle with this philosophy. The idea of spending time writing code to > then find out whether people like the idea is very alien to me. > Its not whether or not people like it, its whether there is support to include it in a Flex release - not as if the code you write is going to be thrown

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:54 AM, David Arno wrote: >> From: Rui Silva [mailto:f...@rduartes.net] ... >> If anyone thinks that he/she will sway the opinion of the group simply by >> speaking out his reasoning without giving actual proof of feasibility, > then they're >> thinking it wrong. At least,

Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread João Saleiro
On 06-02-2012 09:54, David Arno wrote: I struggle with this philosophy. The idea of spending time writing code to then find out whether people like the idea is very alien to me. I would suggest the creation "working groups" attached to different initiatives related to Apache Flex. I'm sure ye

Re: [Discussion] Printing from Flex

2012-02-06 Thread John Fletcher
2012/2/4 Carlos Rovira > Normaly people use to solve in The backend layer. > I need to print pages containing a combination of charts with legends and other components. Backend is therefore not an option. We got there, but it was a nightmare and the current code just feels so hacked up. I think p

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread João Saleiro
On 06-02-2012 10:17, João Saleiro wrote: I would suggest the creation "working groups" attached to different initiatives related to Apache Flex. I'm sure yet how much how like this idea, but considering how big the SDK is, the amount of teamwork and cooperation needed, and the big number of

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi Doug, reading my brief post and your response I think I fell in the problem that trying to post short answers or sentences makes this kind of communication problems. Let me clarify what I tried to express: I'm aware of the evolution of JS through the years. I like many of the things that evol

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread John Fletcher
2012/2/5 Stephane Beladaci > Apple does not push HTML5 because it is better, they push it because it > does not exists > > > Haha this is so true.

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
Hello Joao, good thinking! I am already trying to write up my proposal for the wiki. Uhm: Do I need to be PPMC member to work on something? yours Martin On 06/02/2012 19:17, João Saleiro wrote: On 06-02-2012 09:54, David Arno wrote: I struggle with this philosophy. The idea of spending time

Two-colour logo

2012-02-06 Thread John Fletcher
What a fantastic job from the team at Fuse Collective, and all for free! Thankyou. I'd like to remind everyone that there was an original requirement for a two-colour logo - it would be good to see this. Maybe we could vote on it? (just kidding). John

Re: [Discussion] Professional Quality Themes for Flex

2012-02-06 Thread Abdul Sattar
I am not asking about new features in UI controls or components. Please have a look at http://www.devexpress.com/Products/NET/Controls/WinForms/Skins/ to get an idea what I mean. Regards, -- Abdul Sattar (Director IT & Operations) 0321-6433805 www.powersoft.com.pk

Re: Mailing list footers?

2012-02-06 Thread João Saleiro
On 06-02-2012 06:45, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: I suggest adding just this: -- See http://incubator.apache.org/flex/mailing-lists.html for information about this mailing list, including subscribe/unsubscribe instructions My suggestion: "See http://incubator.apache.org/flex/faq.html

Re: [Discussion] Professional Quality Themes for Flex

2012-02-06 Thread João Fernandes
Clearly having multiple themes available is a case that could be defined as flex-extras project instead of the flex-core. João Fernandes

Re: [Discussion] Professional Quality Themes for Flex

2012-02-06 Thread Alain Ekambi
I think Abdoul was asking some advices about how he could start no ? 2012/2/6 João Fernandes > Clearly having multiple themes available is a case that could be defined as > flex-extras project instead of the flex-core. > > João Fernandes >

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Rui Silva
> From: "Bertrand Delacretaz" > Working in small steps, with some discussion if needed followed by a > minimal prototype that demonstrates the ideas, works best for me. > > -Bertrand It also works for me, small steps being the operative idea. Rui

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Haykel BEN JEMIA
I think the main idea is to discuss a feature on the mailing list and if it gets interest from enough developers then they can join and work on it together to create a working prototype. When it is ready then it can be added to JIRA for inclusion in the main project. Haykel On 6 February 2012

RE: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Well, we think of them as unit tests because, unfortunately, our units are >very large. :-) Ah yes, just redefine unit and then we have unit tests. If we also redefine poor coupling, good startup performance, and small size to mean different things as well, then we are 100% done. A unit test

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jonathan Campos
Isn't this what the jira wish list is about? My problem with this is that it may discouraged someone from trying something new when they see an "official" wiki page saying there is already a group working x feature. I would say we stick with the jira wishlist and let people just discuss what they

Apache Flex logo donation / additional CI elements

2012-02-06 Thread Tomasz Maciąg | Fuse Collective
Final tweaks of logo are done (I think :D) and it's about time to submit it. I already have singed iCLA from Adrian Knopik who designed the logo (he just needs to send it). Following Bertrands advice we'd like attach it to JIRA. We're almost ready to go (I think we need to create limited color

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
Jira isn't well set-up for that. No wiki markup etc. Also it requires more privileges to edit jira entries and combine jira entries which would make it comfortable to work with it. Also I feel like Jira is like "please give us that" while a wiki feels like "lets add that together". Makes it eas

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jonathan Campos
Why do you need consensus just to get started? I think this thinking on the ml is continually crippling are our output.

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 06/02/2012 23:28, Jonathan Campos wrote: Why do you need consensus just to get started? Just to clearify: I meant "getting the consensus" as in "understanding what the current consensus on the mailinglist is". In other words: Its easy to discuss something on the ml but difficult to find out

Re: [discussion]Thoughts on immediate future of Flex

2012-02-06 Thread ganaraj p r
I complete agree with filippo. The issue with flex is not whether it is the best choice as a UI framework ( which it wins hands down... ) but the platform on which it is deployed. I was really saddened the day when a really good framework was shot down just because of horrible PR. I was supposed t

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Monday, February 6, 2012, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 06/02/2012 23:28, Jonathan Campos wrote: >> >> Why do you need consensus just to get started? > > Just to clearify: I meant "getting the consensus" as in "understanding what the current consensus on the mailinglist is". > In other words: It

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > In other words: Its easy to discuss something on the ml but difficult to > find out what has been discussed about and what the outcome is. > That is unfortunate for a third party as they will have no idea what is > really talked about. > W

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread João Saleiro
On 06-02-2012 14:28, Jonathan Campos wrote: Why do you need consensus just to get started? I think this thinking on the ml is continually crippling are our output. I started this discussion to see if it was possible to provide "sandboxes" to each separate initiative, so groups of people can or

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 07/02/2012 00:41, Omar Gonzalez wrote: I'd throw my code up on GitHub and start collaborating with devs there until you have something you want to donate or discuss. This means you suggest that people do not collaborate here but rather on github? But if we try to discuss every idea, log it t

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread João Saleiro
On 06-02-2012 15:44, Jonathan Campos wrote: Wouldn't that fit better in the whiteboard folder? Or maybe if we set up a wiki by whiteboard folder I would be okay with that. My issue is the "officialness" of a wiki saying "this is what we are doing in this way" Yes, that's more or less a step to

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > On 07/02/2012 00:41, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > >> I'd throw my code up on GitHub and start collaborating with devs there >> until you have something you want to donate or discuss. >> > This means you suggest that people do not collaborate here

Re: [Discussion] Professional Quality Themes for Flex

2012-02-06 Thread David Francis Buhler
I believe he's asking how he could expand on the existing themes that come as part of the SDK. Those themes are available here: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/flex/using/WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7f85.html#WS2db454920e96a9e51e63e3d11c0bf69084-7e8c On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Alain Eka

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Arnoud Bos
On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:03 PM, João Saleiro wrote: > > On 06-02-2012 15:44, Jonathan Campos wrote: >> Wouldn't that fit better in the whiteboard folder? Or maybe if we set up a >> wiki by whiteboard folder I would be okay with that. I like this idea a lot It would be great if people could have a

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Arnoud Bos wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:03 PM, João Saleiro wrote: > > > > > On 06-02-2012 15:44, Jonathan Campos wrote: > >> Wouldn't that fit better in the whiteboard folder? Or maybe if we set > up a > >> wiki by whiteboard folder I would be okay with that. >

Re: Status of INFRA-4380 (import of Adobe's JIRA database)

2012-02-06 Thread Carol Frampton
Unfortunately the JIRA import hit a snag. Alex used a later version of JIRA to dump Adobe's bug base than the one Apache supports and the import failed. Alex is away until Feb 20th although I did speak to him this morning. It is not something I can attempt to do in his absence. He had to do a l

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Arnoud Bos
Hi Omar, yes it technically is like a README The difference would be that you don't have to check out files from svn to check what is going on in the different whiteboards. it's just a way to lower the barrier on getting info on the project. Many people are watching the project. But those th

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Carol Frampton
Writing unit tests for the framework is something that could be started now. The framework code is out there. Carol On 2/6/12 8 :02AM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: >>Well, we think of them as unit tests because, unfortunately, our units >>are very large. :-) > >Ah yes, just redefine unit and

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/6/2012 12:26 PM, Arnoud Bos wrote: Hi Omar, yes it technically is like a README The difference would be that you don't have to check out files from svn to check what is going on in the different whiteboards. I thought that the SVN was web browsable. And presumably you can read a text f

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > On 2/6/2012 12:26 PM, Arnoud Bos wrote: > >> Hi Omar, >> >> yes it technically is like a README >> >> The difference would be that you don't have to check out files from svn >> to check what >> is going on in the different whiteboards. >> >

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Frédéric Thomas
Hi Arnoud, I aggree, I'm not a commiter but I followed the ML from the start and I'm starting to feel frustrated because not many things have been started, ok, we haven't got any test framework at the moment and the JIRA is not completly imported yet, but still, let's start something, at least

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 07/02/2012 02:28, Carol Frampton wrote: Writing unit tests for the framework is something that could be started now. The framework code is out there. There are no tests to the framework? Or just no unit tests?

Re: Mailing list footers?

2012-02-06 Thread Giorgio Natili
On 2/6/12 7:45 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote: > >I suggest adding just this: > > -- > See http://incubator.apache.org/flex/mailing-lists.html for information > about this mailing list, including subscribe/unsubscribe instructions I would love to see in the footer also these two How To Ask

RE: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Gordon Smith
Yes, concurrency is coming ASAP. Gordon Smith, Adobe -Original Message- From: Jarosław Szczepankiewicz [mailto:jszczepankiew...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:46 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comuni

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Rick Winscot
Doug - I agree with your bottom line... trajectory is _very_ important. However, I think that the importance of any trajectory is directly dependent upon the quality of the samples. In this case, I'd have to say that this trajectory is grossly misleading... I'll give you several reasons why. Fi

Re: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve

2012-02-06 Thread Giorgio Natili
Quick note about the "small steps"... What's about doing first a release and then discuss things that make sense? I don't see a great benefit in targeting javascript, I read a lot about OOP in javascript and the most I read the most I believe that it's not the way to use or think to it. G.

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Arnoud Bos
On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > On 2/6/2012 12:26 PM, Arnoud Bos wrote: >> Hi Omar, >> >> yes it technically is like a README >> >> The difference would be that you don't have to check out files from svn to >> check what >> is going on in the different whiteboards. > I thoug

Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Joan Llenas Masó
Hi Gordon, >From my ignorance in this field... I'm cuorious about what use cases will this concurrency model be solving. Number crunching is one of them for sure, as there's no need to share memory, but do you have anything more "Flash Player oriented" in mind? Cheers! -- Joan Llenas Masó http:

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread jude
I understand completely. I'm not a commiter and I feel like I can't do anything. We need a wiki that allows people to contribute to it, we need a blog updated so people can stay up to date without being on the mailing list, we need a FAQ to answer questions we've had before, we need to allow non-c

Incubator PMC/Board report for Feb 2012 ([ppmc])

2012-02-06 Thread Marvin
Dear podling, This email was sent by an automated system on behalf of the Apache Incubator PMC. It is an initial reminder to give you plenty of time to prepare your quarterly board report. The board meeting is scheduled for Wed, 15 February 2012, 10:00:00 PST. The report for your podling wil

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
Right about now we should all be feeling like we bark at the wrong tree. Perhaps we should leave apache alone and bother it just with stuff that is related to source code and nothing else. I am fine with that! Perhaps Spoon.as might jump in and provide a community/networking service? Anyone fro

Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
Jarosław, You should check out the MAX session on Adobe TV to see what they are thinking. Right now, there would NOT be any shared memory space between the two (similar to AIR Native Extensions), however, you can send copies of variables between a child worker and a parent (in their terminology,

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jonathan Campos
We created something similar to that for the bugquash and have thought about reviving it for this. We are making sure not to spread ourselves too thin. You could always join up with spoon and take the lead on that.

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread João Fernandes
Am I the only non-committer that finds the current Apache workflow acceptable? Whiteboards should only be managed by PPMC in my opinion and non-committers should propose patches to existing whiteboards. If there isn't any whiteboard working on what they want to contribute, they should create some

Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/max-2011-develop/concurrency-in-flash-runtimes/ here is the link On 07/02/2012 03:58, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: Jarosław, You should check out the MAX session on Adobe TV to see what they are thinking. Right now, there would NOT be any shared memory space between t

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
2012/2/6 João Fernandes > Am I the only non-committer that finds the current Apache workflow > acceptable? > > Whiteboards should only be managed by PPMC in my opinion and non-committers > should propose patches to existing whiteboards. If there isn't any > whiteboard working on what they want to

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread jude
I should have prefaced that with "rant". The thing is it isn't just the source code. It's the previous Adobe Flex project and now it's the Apache Flex project. It's the early stages of the project and there are people that want to help set it up, to take time out of their day, to make more accessib

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
The workflow is okay to me. I just came to the conclusion that we don't have a good platform here to talk about code that might not be commited (what is momentarily done in the whiteboard folder. I think omars suggestion to do this sort of community work "not here" is not a bad idea. The day be

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Martin Heidegger wrote: > The workflow is okay to me. I just came to the conclusion that we don't > have a good platform here to talk about code that might not be commited > (what is momentarily done in the whiteboard folder. I think omars > suggestion to do this s

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 2/6/2012 1:53 PM, jude wrote: I understand completely. I'm not a commiter and I feel like I can't do anything. 2012/2/6 Frédéric Thomas Hi Arnoud, I aggree, I'm not a commiter but I followed the ML from the start and I'm starting to feel frustrated because not many things have been started

Status of the SVN import to https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/trunk

2012-02-06 Thread Carol Frampton
The svn dumpfile for the Adobe Flex frameworks directory was just uploaded to Apache and this JIRA task was created: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4397 Once the repository is loaded I would like to verify the upload and check that the file properties are correct before we start ma

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Carol Frampton
On 2/6/12 1 :03PM, "Martin Heidegger" wrote: >On 07/02/2012 02:28, Carol Frampton wrote: >> Writing unit tests for the framework is something that could be started >> now. The framework code is out there. >There are no tests to the framework? Or just no unit tests? There are thousands of test

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 07/02/2012 04:52, Carol Frampton wrote: Many, but not all, do screen compares Are the other ones logical tests? In other words: Would they need to be ported to a unit-test system? yours Martin.

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 07/02/2012 04:37, Omar Gonzalez wrote: ... way things are done at Apache, so trying to allow for that level of collaboration doesn't fit the model. I totally agree! And to me it was very important that you said that! I had a completely different picture in my mind before that. What I think

RE: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Gordon Smith
I'm not really sure but I presume concurrency is important for various gaming uses cases. As you know, Adobe's new focus for Flash Player is on gaming and high-end video and if a new feature doesn't further this new strategy, it is less likely to happen. - Gordon -Original Message- Fro

Re: [Discussion] Printing from Flex

2012-02-06 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
While not a GREAT component, we do have the PrintDataGrid, which actually handles the last two items you requested. Multi-page printing is handled by queuing multiple pages into the print queue. The options to set the DPI, page size, etc. is pretty limited, but it does exist... I have a blog pos

Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread David Francis Buhler
I believe some multi-threading does exist now: "Multi-threaded video decoding (Windows, Mac OS, and Linux) -- The video decoding pipeline is now fully multi-threaded. This feature should improve the overall performance on all platforms. Note that this feature is a significant architecture change r

RE: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity

2012-02-06 Thread Gordon Smith
Yes, the player already uses some concurrency, but it doesn't make it available to ActionScript developers yet. - Gordon -Original Message- From: David Francis Buhler [mailto:davidbuh...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:43 PM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: w

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Frédéric Thomas
Actually, I could put my code on Github and open a discussion on the ML but I do not think this is the best place because it would talk about very technical things on a particular sub-project, currently, the topics here are discussed in a more general way than what I want to be able to discussed

Re: Status of INFRA-4380 (import of Adobe's JIRA database)

2012-02-06 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, So is the consensus still that we hold off using JIRA until the end of this month (at a minimum)? I'd suggest we just start using JIRA now and sort out duplicates bugs etc after the import. Especially as the actual frameworks is likely to be imported be imported into SVN trunk well before J

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Monday, February 6, 2012, Frédéric Thomas wrote: > Actually, I could put my code on Github and open a discussion on the ML but I do not think this is the best place because it would talk about very technical things on a particular sub-project, currently, the topics here are discussed in a more

Re: Spoon Project Open Meeting Thursday (Tomorrow)

2012-02-06 Thread Leif Wells
In case you missed the Spoon Open Meetings, here is a recording: http://experts.adobeconnect.com/p47r0gd3131/ Leif On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Leif Wells wrote: > Last Open Meeting starts in 5 minutes. Join us if you can: > > http://www.spoon.as/2012/spoon-project-open-meetings-february-

The Flex Show looking for Folks to Interview

2012-02-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
Hi All, The Flex Show is looking for folks to interview on any given technical topic of your choosing. Preferably something that relates back to Flex in some manner. For those that don't know, The Flex Show is a podcast focused on Flex and related topics. You can find out more at http://

RE: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - don't listen to Steve!

2012-02-06 Thread Timothy Jones
Just my two cents... As a Linux user and developer, I have always hated how the Linux Flash runtime is always seems to be a few releases behind Adobe's Windows and Mac versions, how Adobe's content creation tools (Photoshop, Dreamweaver, CS3, and even Flex Builder) aren't available on Linux AT

Re: [Discussion] Printing from Flex

2012-02-06 Thread Jack Ring
Thanks Nick. I found myself setting up ColdFusion ReportBuilder to do what I want. ( a potentially worse solution) See my original quote in this subject Jack Ring On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: > While not a GREAT component, we do have the PrintDataGrid, which act

Re: The Flex Show looking for Folks to Interview

2012-02-06 Thread Marc Pires
Hi Feffry, that's great, when do you record the podcast for me ? It would be very nice to participate. Best Regards On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > Hi All, > > The Flex Show is looking for folks to interview on any given technical > topic of your choosing. Preferably so

RE: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>> Writing unit tests for the framework is something that could be started now. >> The framework code is out there. >>Are the other ones logical tests? In other words: Would they need to be >>ported to a unit-test system? Unfortunately, with a few exceptions, unit tests *cannot* be written for

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Frédéric Thomas
Michael, Thanks to clarify that point, it's very important to know that in the actual state, the framework is un-unit-testable (mainly for UIComponent(s) I guess, is that the same for the all framework ?). "It is coupled tightly with dozens of other objects" I'm doing an experiment to loosely

Re: [Discussion] Printing from Flex

2012-02-06 Thread Dany Dhondt
Hi, I never understood why pdf generation is so difficult on the client side. Is it because of the flash sandbox? Printing reports, tables, stats and even booklets should be core functionality in the flex environment. I ended up several times creating good looking UI's on the client and doing th

Re: Creating Working Groups [Was: Apache Flex suggestion - dumping SWF support in favor of HTML5 - listen to Steve]

2012-02-06 Thread Frédéric Thomas
Thank you for that precision, I gonna push my work on github later today (it's 4:30 AM here). It still remains something, how to make know and redirect folks who would like to help if there's no place to do it ? -Message d'origine- From: Omar Gonzalez Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/6/12 6:22 PM, "Frédéric Thomas" wrote: > Michael, > > Thanks to clarify that point, it's very important to know that in the actual > state, the framework is un-unit-testable (mainly for UIComponent(s) I guess, > is that the same for the all framework ?). > I'm hoping Mike will quote his

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I am still planning on giving up on strict backward compatibility and > starting over. > Refactoring is hard, and trying to synchronize it with what I hope will be > tons of changes going forward will be very difficult. If we break backward compatibility we will need to have an upgrade pa

Re: Starting with the Whiteboard Code

2012-02-06 Thread Martin Heidegger
On 07/02/2012 09:35, Michael A. Labriola wrote: Unfortunately, with a few exceptions, unit tests *cannot* be written for the Flex framework. It isn't something that can be started. Actually those "few exceptions" are quite many to me:

Re: [Discussion] [Discussion]

2012-02-06 Thread Piergiorgio Niero
my humble opinion is: all threads are discussion, if we're going to have many threads on a specific topic just move those threads in another mailing list. special things such as voting and polling people are best done with other tools such as google forms and others. i personally found ridiculous 1