Re: Roadmap

2012-08-13 Thread Igor Costa
Thanks Scott, I will link the Spoon page to the wiki page. Cheers Igor Costa www.igorcosta.com www.igorcosta.org On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Guthmann, Scott wrote: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Status+of+Project > > Changed to Status of

RE: Roadmap

2012-08-13 Thread Guthmann, Scott
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Status+of+Project > Changed to Status of Project Igor - Thank you for posting about the status of the project. Second, the Open Spoon foundation has also been doing some of the community organization work and keeping the stake holders receiving in

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-13 Thread Igor Costa
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Status+of+Project Changed to Status of Project Regards Igor Costa www.igorcosta.com www.igorcosta.org On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > On Monday, August 13, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote: > > >

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-13 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Monday, August 13, 2012, Carol Frampton wrote: > > > On 8/11/12 12 :37PM, "Igor Costa" > > wrote: > > >I've setup a page in wiki to other developers see what's going on with > >committers. > >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Roadmap > > > >Roadmap is subject of change, any decis

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-13 Thread Carol Frampton
On 8/11/12 12 :37PM, "Igor Costa" wrote: >I've setup a page in wiki to other developers see what's going on with >committers. >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Roadmap > >Roadmap is subject of change, any decision we make for next release, we >should add on this page. I had the

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-11 Thread Alex Harui
I agree with Omar. Igor, please change your use of the word "Roadmap". An interesting thing to do might be to devise a survey to find out what is important to our different segments of potential users and focus on non-features like having some sort of forecast or roadmap is really important, or i

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-11 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Igor Costa wrote: > A pre stablish software that is commercially available needs a Road Map, > software that is still engaging on community needs work in progress. > > By far, Road Map point to the decisions so far and History. > > > >

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-11 Thread Igor Costa
A pre stablish software that is commercially available needs a Road Map, software that is still engaging on community needs work in progress. By far, Road Map point to the decisions so far and History. Igor Costa www.igorcosta.com www.igorcosta.org On Sat, Aug 11,

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-11 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Saturday, August 11, 2012, Omar Gonzalez wrote: > On Saturday, August 11, 2012, Igor Costa wrote: > >> I've setup a page in wiki to other developers see what's going on with >> committers. >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Roadmap >> >> Roadmap is subject of change, any decisi

Re: Roadmap

2012-08-11 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Saturday, August 11, 2012, Igor Costa wrote: > I've setup a page in wiki to other developers see what's going on with > committers. > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Roadmap > > Roadmap is subject of change, any decision we make for next release, we > should add on this page. >

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:30 AM, jude wrote: > ...I'd love to see a live or frequently updated status sheet / page / app that > shows what's being worked on (general topics or Jira issues) , progress, > participation count and so on if some how we can gather and show this > information... I'm sure

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-07 Thread Guthmann, Scott
> I've been on this list long enough to know people will work on whatever the > heck they want but that idea is and was hard to accept and plan for. This is the Apache Way. The survey has no official purpose and carries no official weight in the project. Each person who participates in this open

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-07 Thread jude
Anyone on this list will tell you I like more organization than less but I have a couple of concerns with the survey. I don't remember if there was an "Other" category in the list of items but I think, because of surveys in past experiences*, that it gives the impression that if it isn't on the lis

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-07 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/7/12 8:24 AM, "dharfl...@yahoo.com" wrote: > Alex, > > with respect to Gravity, when you say "won't happen unless "    is the > reasoning behind this related to the amount of effort involved in > 're-packaging' for Apache and legal compliance ?  > >   > dan Yes. I think Adobe's re

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-07 Thread Keith Sutton
below On 8/7/2012 8:52 AM, Daniel Harfleet wrote: Mike's statement "I am sure there are customers using it" has reminded me a thought I had about the 'survey' which I wanted to share... Many members on this list have probably felt an impact on their livelihood as a result of the changes relat

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-07 Thread Guthmann, Scott
> Although the survey attempts to get to the bottom of feature priorities, I > can't help feeling that we should be including parties other than this > mailing list to take part in the survey. Although many of this list's > participants including myself have an exposure > to a subset of the corp

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-07 Thread Daniel Harfleet
Mike's statement "I am sure there are customers using it" has reminded me a thought I had about the 'survey' which I wanted to share... Many members on this list have probably felt an impact on their livelihood as a result of the changes relating to Adobe's actions around Flex. My primary moti

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-07 Thread Daniel Harfleet
;flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012, 17:09 Subject: Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status On 8/3/12 8:51 AM, "Keith Sutton" wrote: > Based on Alex's email this is a revise component list to go into survey

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Gravity

2012-08-06 Thread Carlos Rovira
Right! I was thinking that it refers to the granite piece. El lunes, 6 de agosto de 2012, John Fletcher escribió: > Why did they give it two names? Why not just call it CCF? This isn't a > new OS release. > > The "Gravity" name is a bit unfortunate as Granite DS message push > framework is also c

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Gravity

2012-08-06 Thread John Fletcher
Why did they give it two names? Why not just call it CCF? This isn't a new OS release. The "Gravity" name is a bit unfortunate as Granite DS message push framework is also called Gravity (and has been for years). So now we have two Gravities in Flex. John 2012/8/3 Keith Sutton : > There have be

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-06 Thread John Fletcher
Agree with the idea of not using the term "roadmap". Since actually, what we are talking about is not a roadmap at all in the conventional sense, and is much better described with the title you mention below Keith. In this sense it might be apropriate for the actual Flex site - but then you would d

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Squiggly and Gravity

2012-08-05 Thread jude
Yeah, it's Monocle. OK I just saw the your post on Gravity further down. I could use something like this on a project I'm working on now. On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Keith Sutton wrote: > Good on Squiggly Jude, Gravity below, can't find anything on Telemetry - > did this become Monocle? >

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Squiggly and Gravity

2012-08-05 Thread Keith Sutton
Good on Squiggly Jude, Gravity below, can't find anything on Telemetry - did this become Monocle? On 8/5/2012 1:27 AM, jude wrote: Squiggly is an Action Script spell checking library for developers who work in Adobe® Flash® Professional, Adobe Flex® Builder™, or other IDEs that support ActionSc

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-05 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I don't know what Gravity is either. Is it Telemetry? BTW What happened to >Telemetry? Gravity is a framework which, in theory, solves the problems associated with multiple domain applications using the Marshall plan by providing a structure to work within. While my opinion may be somewhat con

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-05 Thread jude
Squiggly is an Action Script spell checking library for developers who work in Adobe® Flash® Professional, Adobe Flex® Builder™, or other IDEs that support ActionScript. The Squiggly package contains six .swc files – three of which integration convenience classes called SpellUI, one for Flex 3, ano

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread superabe superabe
Ok thanks for the info It's a relief to know at least somebody is maintaining and advancing it :) It's a rather crucial piece for most video related apps. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Michael A. Labriola < labri...@digitalprimates.net> wrote: > >About OSMF. What is the status of OSMF? Is it

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>About OSMF. What is the status of OSMF? Is it being actively maintained and >developed by Adobe? OSMF is still being actively maintained and expanded by Adobe, that is probably part of the reason we won't see it soon/ever without some work on our part.

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread superabe superabe
> > >>> All are in progress, TLF will probably be next. >> >> Squiggly >>> * OSMF* >>> Gravity >>> >> Won't happen unless we hear lots of people want it. >> >> >> >> About OSMF. What is the status of OSMF? Is it being actively maintained and developed by Adobe? By "Won't happen...

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Keith Sutton
Alex/Carol, Awesome, thanks We will role that back into the survey On 8/3/2012 9:09 AM, Alex Harui wrote: On 8/3/12 8:51 AM, "Keith Sutton" wrote: Based on Alex's email this is a revise component list to go into survey (PLEASE identify anything missing or in wrong place): Available in 4.

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/3/12 8:51 AM, "Keith Sutton" wrote: > Based on Alex's email this is a revise component list to go into survey > (PLEASE identify anything missing or in wrong place): > > Available in 4.8 > 4.6 automation libraries > 4.6 fabridge > 4.6 flash-integration > 4.6 samples >

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Carol Frampton
On 8/3/12 11 :51AM, "Keith Sutton" wrote: >Based on Alex's email this is a revise component list to go into survey >(PLEASE identify anything missing or in wrong place): > >Available in 4.8 >4.6 automation libraries >4.6 fabridge >4.6 flash-integration >4.6 samples >Flex MXM

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Keith Sutton
Based on Alex's email this is a revise component list to go into survey (PLEASE identify anything missing or in wrong place): Available in 4.8 4.6 automation libraries 4.6 fabridge 4.6 flash-integration 4.6 samples Flex MXML compiler source code Yet to be donated ? 4.6 missing

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-03 Thread Keith Sutton
The survey/roadmap are definitely in line with your guidance and will likely be called "Community Objectives and Priorities for Apache Flex" and would be posted on the Spoon website. Although it cannot be binding it does act as: 1) An expression of the community and their collective input to wha

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > ...There nothing saying we can't have roadmaps (AFAIK) and several other > Apache projects do have them. > For example http://subversion.apache.org/roadmap.html... Agreed - it''s just that such roadmaps can easily fail, if they're too ambiti

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-03 Thread Greg Reddin
A roadmap is fine so long as we don't use it to tell someone else what they should be working on. OTOH if the vast majority of users are interested in a particular set of features those will get implemented without a roadmap. :) Sent from my mobile device. On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Justin Mcl

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, There nothing saying we can't have roadmaps (AFAIK) and several other Apache projects do have them. For example http://subversion.apache.org/roadmap.html I think knowing what features SDK users see as important is useful and could help shape direction and help get committers and contrubito

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-03 Thread John Fletcher
If Spoon have organisation and/or heirarchy, and Apache accepts contribution from anyone, then it might be simple: the Spoon Foundation creates a Spoon Roadmap - what they hope to deliver to Flex and when. They can post it on their Spoon.as website. Those that want to be part of an organised/guided

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread aYo ~
Exactly - Strangely enough I was just asking for hepl and directions for building the SDK in Linux for FDT5 ~a~ www.ayobinitie.com http://mrbinitie.blogspot.com On 2 August 2012 14:13, João Fernandes wrote: > Ayo, > > what do you refer to? Like building the SDK in a linux environment? > > > -- >

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread João Fernandes
Ayo, what do you refer to? Like building the SDK in a linux environment? -- João Fernandes

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread aYo ~
As far as roadmaps go - I'd like to know what the support plans for Linux are ~a~ www.ayobinitie.com http://mrbinitie.blogspot.com On 2 August 2012 11:34, Erik de Bruin wrote: > > There is no hierarchy in the engineering. Nobody gets to tell anyone > else > > what to do. Committers can veto y

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
> There is no hierarchy in the engineering. Nobody gets to tell anyone else > what to do. Committers can veto your work, but for technical reasons, not > because it wasn't on the roadmap or a high enough priority. Maybe they should have referred to it not as "Roadmap" but as "Contribution Sugges

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/2/12 12:26 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >>> Some direction (agreed upon >>> by all the project leads, to be sure) will help get things off the >>> ground, or at least move along at something more than a glacial >>> pace... >> But there are no project leads. Just a bunch of committers and l

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
>> Some direction (agreed upon >> by all the project leads, to be sure) will help get things off the >> ground, or at least move along at something more than a glacial >> pace... > But there are no project leads. Just a bunch of committers and lots of > other folks on the mailing list. I'm not be

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/1/12 11:23 PM, "ranboleelan" wrote: > not all mx components have their spark equivalent ones, so i guess more spark > components in future version would be nice. > The prototypes we have are waiting VP signature then they will be checked in. -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, I

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread ranboleelan
not all mx components have their spark equivalent ones, so i guess more spark components in future version would be nice. ranboleelan From: Alex Harui Date: 2012-08-02 14:14 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey On 8/1/12 10:25 PM, "Er

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/1/12 10:25 PM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >> next. No consensus has to be reached on what will be worked on. Folks are >> free to do what they want. > > Free to create a roadmap and try to give some direction to people > looking to contribute, but not sure where to begin, or which > featur

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Alex Harui
Keith, I'm sorry I did not respond to your first roadmap email. Honestly, I stopped reading after your first bullet point raising FUD about whether Adobe would live up to its commitments without any quoting of the statements behind your logic. I almost responded, but when nobody else did, I just

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Keith Sutton
The component list was developed reviewing the emails on the mailing list as we as the Flex White Paper. The component list was provided earlier with the request for corrections but none were forthcoming. Given that Adobe's resource commitment is not indefinite it would be most appropriate to d

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Erik de Bruin
> next. No consensus has to be reached on what will be worked on. Folks are > free to do what they want. Free to create a roadmap and try to give some direction to people looking to contribute, but not sure where to begin, or which features/bug fixes would benefit the end users the most, like my

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 8/1/2012 8:22 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Keith, I appreciate the effort, and more data is welcome, but I don't think Apache projects have roadmaps or make commitments on what is going to be delivered next. No consensus has to be reached on what will be worked on. Folks are free to do what they w

Re: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey

2012-08-01 Thread Alex Harui
Keith, I appreciate the effort, and more data is welcome, but I don't think Apache projects have roadmaps or make commitments on what is going to be delivered next. No consensus has to be reached on what will be worked on. Folks are free to do what they want. I also don't understand the items o

Re: [ROADMAP] What is next?

2012-07-25 Thread Alain Ekambi
4.8 does not have FABridge support ? That s really bad 2012/7/25 Keith Sutton > With the successful release of 4.8.0-incubating it would be timely to have > a discussion/consensus around the priorities going forward. > > A couple of fundamental factors should be considered in this discussio