Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-19 Thread jude
Thanks. I haven't seen that before. It looks sharp. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > > > > What I've been thinking if it isn't obvious is creating an open source > > project(s). There's would be two parts to this. > > > > 1. An abstract eclipse like integrated environment (

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-19 Thread Roland Zwaga
> > What I've been thinking if it isn't obvious is creating an open source > project(s). There's would be two parts to this. > > 1. An abstract eclipse like integrated environment (project) > 2. A designer / developer workflow (project) > > The first would be built to support the second. > > The se

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-19 Thread jude
What I've been thinking if it isn't obvious is creating an open source project(s). There's would be two parts to this. 1. An abstract eclipse like integrated environment (project) 2. A designer / developer workflow (project) The first would be built to support the second. The second would be cre

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-18 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
Seconded   Ariel Jakobovits Email: arielj...@yahoo.com Phone: 650-690-2213 Fax: 650-641-0031 Cell: 650-823-8699 From: Benjamin Dobler To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-18 Thread Tink
I've never used it but Amethyst have recent stated they... " are actively continuing the support and development of the Amethsyt visual designer for Flash/Flex: http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Products/amethyst-ide/Amethyst-Product-Page " Tink

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-18 Thread Benjamin Dobler
Wauw looks really promising! Never been a fan of the design view but this could be something interesting. Am 18.02.2012 um 00:29 schrieb jude: > Hi Roland, > > The URL should be up now. A couple of notes about the demo. The left column > can be scrolled up or down (using touch interaction like

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread jude
Hi Roland, The URL should be up now. A couple of notes about the demo. The left column can be scrolled up or down (using touch interaction like behavior) to show more panels. The focus has been on creating an environment conducive to a design based workflow so the work has been in the panels more

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
day, February 17, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder Consider this an informal introduction ;) I'm Product Manager for FDT and I have been keeping an eye on the list and even had some communication with the Spoon team. I can say that we are interested in working with Apache F

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Jeremy Tellier
I second that. Om wrote: >Alan, > >This is a wonderful concept - building Flex apps using Flex :-) Sign me >up! >The Flex design view is a MUST have feature in my opinion. I would be glad >to work here on Apache Flex or on with FDT separately as needed . > >Om > > >On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:0

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Brent Arnold
I'd have to say that if the question is whether existing code being dropped from Flash Builder should be picked up by the community and integrated into other IDEs, please keep it in the community, rather than let it sit in a repo somewhere on Adobe's servers never seeing the light of day again.

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Om
Alan, This is a wonderful concept - building Flex apps using Flex :-) Sign me up! The Flex design view is a MUST have feature in my opinion. I would be glad to work here on Apache Flex or on with FDT separately as needed . Om On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Alan Klement wrote: > Consider

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Alex Harui
On 2/17/12 9:57 AM, "Michael A. Labriola" wrote: > > I may not be representing this 100% correctly, however, from my experience > trying to extend the framework. Design view is more or less hard-coded to a > flex framework implementation. If I go and modify UIComponent in my copy of > the fra

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Alan Klement
Consider this an informal introduction ;) I'm Product Manager for FDT and I have been keeping an eye on the list and even had some communication with the Spoon team. I can say that we are interested in working with Apache Flex when it comes to tooling support. That is really another conversation f

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Just this monday I went to a Flex meeting here in NYC. What I heard is >that the Flex designer will go away in Flash Builder but what I also >thought I heard is that Adobe will not open source the UI designer. If >that's true I don't get it. They are going to get rid of it why not >just give

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Humberto Sanchez II
Agreed. This was one of the first things that caused me to adopt Flex 2 was the more than functional design view _ On 2/17/12 11:05 AM, "Charles Monteiro" wrote: >First of all, just moved to the neighborhood. > >I think you are totally on the

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Charles Monteiro
First of all, just moved to the neighborhood. I think you are totally on the money. Folks with the right background understand how to exploit these tools and a UI design view is indispensable. They provide a huge productivity advantage, folks not used to them just don't get it. My core background

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Jeremy Tellier
"Design View" as a concept has made development tools very successful, there is a reason why Dreamweaver was always way ahead of other WYSIWYG and that is because it had a great, responsive design view, and an uncluttered code view. I worked with the original Flex team at Macromedia, simply providi

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Erik Lundgren
17 feb 2012 kl. 11.48 skrev jude: > [1] http://www.radii8.com/ > [1] http://www.radii8.com/demo/ - read the notes - Would love to see it, but browser tells me it can't find it. /Erik

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread Roland Zwaga
> > I've been working on a Designer / Developer tool code name Radii8 [1]. :P > It's goal is to help developers and designers with the stuff we are trying > to do every day. It's sort of in limbo at the moment while I determine what > to do next (which I don't know). > > Disclaimer: Although I've p

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-17 Thread jude
am worried because all these > gaps > > are likely to create limitations and barriers (especially for beginners). > > > > Fabio > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > Da: Andrey Pisarev [mailto:a...@li.ru] > > Inviato: giovedì 16

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Another important question: how can we quicly skin some components without >Flash Catalyst? It's another topic but I am worried because all these gaps >are likely to create limitations and barriers (especially for >beginners). Interestingly, if you are willing to adopt convention, the basics a

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread David Francis Buhler
Fabio > > > -Messaggio originale- > Da: Andrey Pisarev [mailto:a...@li.ru] > Inviato: giovedì 16 febbraio 2012 17:05 > A: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Oggetto: Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder > > In any case dropping design view is a step ba

R: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Fabio Biondi
ecially for beginners). Fabio -Messaggio originale- Da: Andrey Pisarev [mailto:a...@li.ru] Inviato: giovedì 16 febbraio 2012 17:05 A: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Oggetto: Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder In any case dropping design view is a step back. You should see a great video fro

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Skogen, Espen
| espen.sko...@jpmorgan.com | jpmorgan.com -Original Message- From: Eugene Diana [mailto:edi...@myersinfosys.com] Sent: 16 February 2012 15:10 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder Another question about this, is the Design View not used by

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Omar Gonzalez
On Thursday, February 16, 2012, Andrey Pisarev wrote: > In any case dropping design view is a step back. > You should see a great video from Bret Victor, about real time compilation > and design view > vimeo.com/36579366 > This video is cool and all, but we have no control over Flash Builder. Whet

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Andrey Pisarev
In any case dropping design view is a step back. You should see a great video from Bret Victor, about real time compilation and design view vimeo.com/36579366

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread JP Bader
t; >> >> >> No offense to anyone and with all respect to all, personally I think >> >> 'squeeze is not worth the juice' >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> On Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM, "Jeremy Tellier" >> wrote: >

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Paw Suddergaard
e > >>> screen, then jump into code for refinement. I was miffed when they > >> dropped > >>> the CSS designer as I had a crew of non-technical designers creating > >> skins > >>> for my apps that were left high and dry when that occurred. Why

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Jack Ring
that were left high and dry when that occurred. Why does >> Adobe >>> just drop features left and right? Remember when Dreamweaver had Java and >>> DotNet Support? ;) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeremy >>> >>> -Original Message---

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
> -Original Message- > > From: Eugene Diana [mailto:edi...@myersinfosys.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:19 AM > > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > > Subject: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder > > > > Last night at the Boston meeting I was

Re: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Filipe Freitas
"I would agree that design view is great for a very new beginner but for someone who has got at least 2+ years of RIA experience, s/he wouldn't want to get into the business of dragging and dropping controls just like how it was done back in VB days." I have the same opinion. I never used design v

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Eugene Diana
- From: Yousif Atique [mailto:atique.you...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:56 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder I would agree that design view is great for a very new beginner but for someone who has got at least 2+ years of RIA

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Yousif Atique
and > DotNet Support? ;) > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > -Original Message- > From: Eugene Diana [mailto:edi...@myersinfosys.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:19 AM > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder > >

RE: [RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Jeremy Tellier
just drop features left and right? Remember when Dreamweaver had Java and DotNet Support? ;) Thanks, Jeremy -Original Message- From: Eugene Diana [mailto:edi...@myersinfosys.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:19 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: [RT] Design View in

[RT] Design View in FlashBuilder

2012-02-16 Thread Eugene Diana
Last night at the Boston meeting I was surprised to see that almost none of the participants take advantage of the Design View (which Adobe will drop from FB)…as a relative beginner, I find it quick and easy to build a screen (we have many in our app, and it is very data-driven)…what am I missing?