RE: [FalconJx] Prototype ActionScript -> JavaScript compiler code up in svn

2012-12-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I've been following this whole discussion in the background with a lot of >interest. I don't have much to contribute at this point, so I've been quiet. >Mike L., I know you were somewhat disillusioned by the amount of >time it took >Adobe to get Flacon/ Flacon JS contributed. Is there anything

RE: [FalconJx] Prototype ActionScript -> JavaScript compiler code up in svn

2012-12-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Eriks point I think was he is trying to write some of the js side that isn't >for the time being going to be cross compiled. But as I see it, I don't think >there will be a reason to hand write a lot >because we could even create a >custom emitter that knows how to spit out our core js framewor

RE: FalconJS has landed

2012-11-27 Thread Michael A. Labriola
For my prototype work I have been using a C# to JS compiler called SharpiKit. It might be useful to look at how they are generating code as it works pretty damn well. Also, their output is easily captured by the closure compiler and made even more optimal. It is not perfect but has about the be

RE: Randori framework [was Re: What to expect from FalconJS]

2012-11-19 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>* You say this could be C#/Java/AS and so on... I think you start in C# >because you already have that js cross-compiler. You thoughts are about making >the same in different platform versions in the end?. That is the goal. >* I understand that the final goal is that you end programming in you

RE: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Flex

2012-11-19 Thread Michael A. Labriola
+1 (binding)

RE: Randori framework [was Re: What to expect from FalconJS]

2012-11-17 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>What I don't get is, Mike said all these other companies that had compiler >engineers are not here, meaning they are somewhere else. So Mike has put his >time working with C# and a cross compiler /JS framework. Actually, I found a really good cross-compiler from C# to JS that was extensible. S

RE: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>You're probably right, but for the minority who did write separate business >logic, I think this will be the path of least resistance. And for those who >didn't, it still might be easier to refactor >their code to get separation >than have to rewrite every line. Anyway, that's the angle I'm

RE: [POLL] - Must Flex 5 be a complete rewrite or can flex code base be re-architectured?

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Because I expect the major factor in deciding what to do with your existing >apps is about the cost of moving. For sure, if you completely abandon Flex >you will have to rewrite all of your >views and all of your business logic. >If I offered a solutions where you still had to rewrite your view

RE: Flex 5 in haxe

2012-11-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I'm guessing that this is because the major companies who used to use Flex and >swore that they had plenty of compiler engineers who would help finish Falcon >have moved on to other >technologies. Just to speak for all of those companies, much of this happened at the Flex summit. When many of

RE: List of Inactive Apache Flex PPMC Members

2012-11-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Just to be clear, I'm not trying to kick anybody out. I only think it's >fair that we hold the PMC members to the same standards as we do >prospective committers, don't you? Well, to be fair, I sort of actually hate that too... What does it mean to commit time to a project like this? Is it onl

RE: [VOTE] Alex Harui for PMC Chair of Apache Flex

2012-11-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
+1 (binding)

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>So an open source Apache Flex that requires a closed source Adobe AVMNext >compiler? No, we would likely need to create our own. Yet another reason I think this is a red herring and we shouldn't be distracted by the shiny new VM. Mike

RE: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Yes, but those are examples of entering new markets, not returning to a market >that you have exited. I suppose Adobe might get interested in RIAs >once >again, but I wouldn't bet the future of Flex on it. We agree completely

RE: What is the essence of Flex? its future and the Next runtime

2012-10-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>it would be strange for it to flip-flop and decide "Whoops, yes they are." I agree that is unlikely to happen although it was only 4 years ago that gaming wasn't a core target for the Flash Platform and about 7 or 8 years since video was unimportant... so, Adobe's focus could be moon bases late

RE: To AS4 or not (was: Re: ASC 2.0 and Falcon)

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Even around AVM1 time, Flash Player was mostly known for games, intro sites >and splash screens. That dint prevent me or several others companies from >pushing Flash Player and build >shipping enterprise applications. Right, they did. So, if the new AVM takes off and becomes popular, we are in

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>PS I don't think Apache Flex needs to stand for what Flex is today though, and >this is where innovation in the future needs to happen in this project. +65535

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>How exactly would a company using Flex start using the new VM if it does not >support Flex? As long as they use Flex, they would still be using AVM2. What I mean is that Flash Player's popularity and install base is what made it viable for Flex to be written and deployed to it. If the new VM i

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Just a heads up, given the architecture changes of the next-gen runtime, Flex >will not be able to run in it. I would "highly" recommend you guys having a >look at Feathers (work from Josh >Tynjala - feathersui.com) on top of >Starling, which will run beautifully in our next runtime. Before th

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Could you please give us some technical details as to why Flex wont be able to >run in the new runtime? This would help us figure out what we can/need to do >given where we are currently. Just like when there was an AVM switch from AVM1 to AVM2 for AS2 versus AS3, they are doing the same thin

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-18 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>We have no plans keeping ASC 2.0 (and above) in sync with Falcon, as I said >previously, today the compilers are different projects and targeting two >different audiences. Yeh, we totally get why parsing the AS language and generating bytecode will be very different for the game market. I can'

RE: ASC 2.0 and Falcon

2012-10-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Yes, ASC 2.0 is essentially a fork of Falcon. (More accurately, Falcon was >branched off back in the summer and the packages were renamed from >com.adobe.flash to org.apache.flex.) As far >as I know, I'll be integrating >these bugfixes into Falcon at some point. So, essentially, adobe donated

RE: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7

2012-10-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
+1 (binding)

RE: I give up (was [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC6)

2012-10-12 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I agree that seems like very few people want to see this get released. >Otherwise we would have had more votes. You have my vote immediately on the next RC. I am sorry, like many others, I think I got lost in the stream of release candidates and didn't feel like I knew enough about the version

RE: Falcon :: Unit tests - as3 language level

2012-09-17 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I have a bunch of unit tests covering packages, classes, interfaces all the >way down to statements/expressions in the ASBlock library tests. I could use >these as a huge running start for >language coverage. Michael, I was planning on porting the Tamarin acceptance tests over: https://develo

RE: FlexUnit Location

2012-08-30 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>That would probably save one migration, otherwise you'll have to migrate to >SVN and then to Git again, sounds like a pain... I am mostly concerned about losing the history and the GIT to SVN migration seems to only keep some limited history.

RE: FlexUnit Location

2012-08-30 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> In order to release it from apache it has to live on apache server. If > critical history gets lost going to svn then might wait for apache git. Here is my current plan. I am looking for comments. Current plan is that I leave the code (and hence the history) in GitHub for now, but finish the

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-30 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I haven't seen FalconJS but from what I read, it looks like it plays with the >DOM. FalconJOS (at least the Flex demo) basically tried to make a big SVG which was rendered by the browser for interaction. Less than ideal on a few thousand levels

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Flex is compiled ahead of time and we control the compiler. Whereas with >HTML5, the browser interprets it. We cannot make changes to HTML5 and expect >all browsers to understand it. Flash Player understands byte code which is generated ahead of time. Browsers understand JavaScript which is

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>BTW, FalconJS uses Google's closure compiler to optimize the generated >javascript. I am not sure that is accurate... in fact, pretty sure it is not. The code generated by FalconJS, when it was being used to cross-compile a test Flex app, was put into closure-compiler to try to make it smaller

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>In flash player there is nothing but a text field and the ability to make some >rectangles how did we get to Flex? In case I am not being clear, Flash player doesn't understand new element types you create. At the end of the day you are operating on DisplayObject. In truth, had Flex operat

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Whereas with HTML(5) there is nothing in the standard that will let us do >specialization (via inheritance or composition) I cannot dream up new >elements and expect a browser to understand it out of the box. In flash player there is nothing but a text field and the ability to make some recta

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Can you please elaborate? >The point I was trying to make was that HTML5 language itself is not designed >to be extensible. Using Javascript does not really count (in this >context) >As far as using the DOM, I assume you mean the Microdata format. This results >in non-standard HTML most of t

RE: Cross-compiling Flex to HTML5/Javascript (Was : Update on Falcon donation)

2012-08-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I had in mind writing in a subset of ActionScript that cross-compiles cleanly >to JavaScript, which is basically the idea of FalconJS. But, not having worked >on FalconJS, I never understood what it did with Flash classes like >Sprite >that are implemented in native code in the player. The way

RE: [OT] Current status on Flexunit4?

2012-08-28 Thread Michael A. Labriola
ploaded by Velo into the Sonatype Maven Repo). I didn't want to do this on my own as it's not my software. If you could do that however it would be great and I would be pleased to push my stuff back to trunk. Chris -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Michael A. Labriola [mailt

RE: [OT] Current status on Flexunit4?

2012-08-28 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>My second area of uncertainty regarding flexunit (from flexunit.org) is what >the latest version is. The Blog on the page claims to be 4.1 RC2, but the >download page states 4.1 ("stable" without the RC2). >Assuming the flexunit.org project is different from adobes project and that >RC2 has be

RE: FlexUnit Location

2012-08-23 Thread Michael A. Labriola
I think moving it to SVN along with the rest of the code makes sense. >Just concerned about the history is all. If we did wait, perhaps some of it >could be preserved... perhaps not. Mike

RE: [Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-23 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>So I'd say if you are ready to sign the grant, just go ahead. It's best IMO to >use a JIRA issue to track the donation (including digests of the donated code >archives), so that we have a trace of what happened and how >the PPMC handled >it. Bertrand, Thanks for the information. We will file

RE: [Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-23 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Thanks for the responses, however, could I get clarification on the original question. I have performed a preliminary review and refactoring of the code to fix dependencies, etc. Given that, do I file the software grant now and then the PPMC works on final IP Clearance or something else. I am s

RE: [Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Are the works either (c) Michael Labriola or (c) Some Company w/a CCLA? Some of each actually. >Assuming that all the copyright holders are OK then I believe that it is >likely that they may be checked in without a code grant under the AL2. >You should probably confirm this with legal-discuss@

RE: can't download 4.8

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I must admit that I still need design view and rely on fb for packaging / >export You can use the packaging and export, but if you need design view you must continue to use Adobe's Flash Builder 4.6 and Flex 4.6 for the foreseeable future. Design view in Flash Builder is not implemented in suc

RE: [Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>>> Second, FlexUnit has both a full wiki of documentation and >>> courseware. I would like to donate those too. How do we go about donating >>> something like a book? >> IIRC, that is another Software Grant. >Not necessarily, either way there needs to be license and copyright review. Dave, Co

RE: [Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>> First a procedure question, do I file the software grant immediately >> and then work on IP clearance with the PPMC or the reverse? >For Adobe donations, we made sure we had the IP clearance to donate it >(meaning we owned every file or had permission to donate very file) then filed >the soft

[Mentor] & [PPMC] FlexUnit

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
I have prepared the Software Grant and scrubbed the code base for FlexUnit to the point where I believe I can contribute it to the project. I will likely submit most of the modules upon approval and then need to engage in a discussion with Adobe before I can donate the last module or two, howev

RE: can't download 4.8

2012-08-22 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Is it as simple as that ? i.e. just telling FB and IDEA in the "regular" >way to use the specified sdk or is there anything that I need to be aware of ? That should be it, and no worries on the questions, Mike

RE: can't download 4.8

2012-08-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Can you try it on firefox and/or IE to see if the same problem exists? >I am behind a proxy and for the life of me, I am not able to figure out how to >install Chrome on my machine.. Sorry. Just as another data point. I installed Chrome on a Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit machine and hit the UR

RE: Getting a github pull request into SVN

2012-08-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> So do we know if this is an issue with the encoding of the github patch or > with the original commit/push to github? It seems the issue was with the original commit as far as I understand, but that is what I was really trying to confirm. I wanted to know that I was solving the right prob

RE: Getting a github pull request into SVN

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>It was in another translation es_ES file inside this project, but I can not >remember exactly what was that file. Making some file search would help. Justin, Perhaps I misunderstood. It seems like this code was manually entered from this response. Is that the case? Mike

RE: Getting a github pull request into SVN

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>but I made it look like the first one since I saw other spanish translation >transforming the special chars like that. Where did you do that work? Mike

RE: Getting a github pull request into SVN

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Yep look like the patch file is not UTF8 encoded? Yeh, its not actually encoded at all. If it were, I would expect to see: utf32 - 0x00F3 utf16 - 0x00F3 utf8 - 0xC3 0xB3 So, is it coming out of github's character patch generation code that way directly? If so, we could write a bit of code

RE: Getting a github pull request into SVN

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Anyone have any ideas on this? Using curl and the patch URL for a pull request >from github to apply a githib patch to SVN looks possible if we can sort out >the unicode issue. Justin, Can you help me _see_ the Unicode issue better. I am clearly missing something. In the example patch, I see

RE: Apache Flex in Github

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>The issue is how do we change github pull requests into SVN commits and >hopefully with a minimum amount of steps/minimal extra work required. If >anyone has any ideas please speak up. Justin, What if we maintained a git branch which had the .svn files checked in already. The process would t

RE: Apache Flex in Github

2012-08-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>That would be much appreciated. As someone who is just 1/3 of the way thru >the git-hub book I am completely lost by this discussion. At this point, only >if there were very clear instructions with relatively few >steps would I be >interested in committing a patch for someone. Once we get a

RE: Apache Flex in Github

2012-08-17 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Maybe Michael Labriola or Om could support us here... Let me catch up on the thread and try to help out tomorrow. Mike

RE: New SVN branches and CI

2012-08-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>BTW There's only one shared windows Jenkins box currently and it gets a bit of >a workout. We have to play nice with all the other jobs running on that box - >on occasion there are queues of several hours until a job >can be run. Sigh

RE: Learning Git (was: [RESULT][VOTE] Branching Strategy and SCM)

2012-08-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Also: http://www.cfobjective.com/cfo/assets/file/pdfs/simeonbatemangit.pdf If you search, this was recorded at an event called Flash in the City, and you might be able to find the video somewhere online. Resources section at the end is also gold. Mike

RE: Learning Git (was: [RESULT][VOTE] Branching Strategy and SCM)

2012-08-16 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Anyone know of a good place to start learning to use Git in general and Git >with Eclipse in particular? If you *really* want to understand Git, there is an excellent book called ProGit: http://git-scm.com/book It will really make you understand what is happening behind the scenes which make

RE: [MENTORS] Current Branching Strategy Vote Results

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Anything that makes it even a little harder for people to be involved or >contribute should be removed. Working with Git for a while I don't see an >equal for open development. >+1 binding Jon, You have a short while to add that to the Vote thread :) Mike

RE: [MENTORS] Current Branching Strategy Vote Results

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Given what I know we want to do short term, I think we can live with GBM on >SVN for now. The next release isn't going to contain any UIComponent >refactoring, we've got lots of mustella tests to fix and some >new components >to integrate. I think SVN can handle that. I agree with you and

RE: [MENTORS] Current Branching Strategy Vote Results

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Mike, there's about 2.5 hours left. If you change your vote to #9 and get a >few others who responded to the poll but did not vote to move to #9, you can >probably tip the scales in favor of GBM. Alex, How about you next? Wanna switch from Git later to Git now? We have people here who want t

RE: [VOTE] Branching Strategy and SCM

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Based upon overwhelming community support, and a desire to ensure that the current committer pool grows. I would like to change my vote to: 9. Git Branching Model on Git now (see Note 2) +1 (binding)

RE: Git support in Apache Flex

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Taking into account that we are five, I think we could bring success on this >soon. In the end, this shouldn't be a hard task only stopped by bureaucracy or >lack of support by ASF itself. I agree. Let's get on the infra list and see if we can help. Mike

RE: [MENTORS] Current Branching Strategy Vote Results

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>This is about which tools the committers use (and might have to partially >support in case of Git, for now) so I wouldn't give much weight to the >community's opinion in this particular case. Those who do the work >decide IMO. This feels like a great way to ensure the current committer pool doe

RE: [RT] Ideas on getting the entire test suite for the sdk to run in 10 minutes or less

2012-08-15 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>See documentation on FlashPlayer Trust Files. It would get placed in one of >the required folders and allow the mustella folder. Justin, If it helps at all, the FlexUnit ant files actually setup the proper Flash Player trust files (optionally) before the run of their ant tasks. I am still i

RE: [RT] Ideas on getting the entire test suite for the sdk to run in 10 minutes or less

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Given that mustella compiles swfs before running them, perhaps if we added a >compile-time / post-compile-time step that replaced calls to trace() with a >logging utility call, we could do that instead? We'd have >to re-write the >bit that checks the flashlog.txt to use something else, but tha

RE: [RT] Ideas on getting the entire test suite for the sdk to run in 10 minutes or less

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> But I'm not up on cloud computing so maybe there is a way to do client-side > testing in the cloud. > Side note. I did some work back just working to spin up multiple instances of Flash Player running on the same machine and I was able to get the time to run the test dramatically reduced. The

RE: What would it take to move to Git?

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Then if even people like you that would vote for GIT in first instance, ends >voting for the opposite...I think we are not doing us a favor. Carlos, Just to be clear. I didn't vote for Git in the first place. I said we should consider it and I still think we should. I voted the way I did as I

RE: What would it take to move to Git?

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>> In my view, we still seem like a disparate group of individuals who >> are most comfortable working alone or on small groups with great >> amounts of autonomy. We are not a team yet & our Flex project isn't >> self-sustaining. >> My evidence is this conversation debating the relative merits o

RE: [VOTE] Branching Strategy and SCM

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> I will point out once again that no one who voted for #9 has > volunteered to work with infra on Git admin and our 3 mentors who have > voted #4 so we have neither volunteers nor mentor support to make #9 happen. In case it matters, I volunteer to work with infra on git should #9 be viable.

RE: [VOTE] Branching Strategy and SCM

2012-08-14 Thread Michael A. Labriola
#4. Classic Model +1 (binding) --- I wish I wasn't voting for this option. Ultimately I believe #9 (Git Branching Model on Git now) is the best thing for the project and will allow the community to both own and innovate more rapidly. I am a fan of Git and I want to move *now*. However, I thi

RE: What would it take to move to Git?

2012-08-10 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>OK, but the first clone will be huge? I think our import file was in the 10's >of GBs. I'm afraid to try to clone the flex project over my home network. I >am testing by cloning the flex-site which worked from github. That is a big concern. I don't have a sense of how big it would be if all

RE: What would it take to move to Git?

2012-08-10 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I only know two... I've used Perforce and Subversion for 20 years. For me, the >most important thing is ease of use, such as what visual tools it has and how >it integrates with IDEs like Eclipse. With Git, can you do >an Eclipse >refactoring without worrying about which files you need to check

RE: What would it take to move to Git?

2012-08-10 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I am greatly concerned about disk space utilization if you have a snapshot of >everything including changes. Has anyone synced up with Apache Flex Git since >we stuffed it with Mustella tests? Will each >branch/fork/clone we make >actually replicate all of that data? Alex, Due to the way g

RE: SVN and issues with branching / consider how we use SVN going forward

2012-08-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Interesting read. Are you also pushing to make Git the default SCM? > >I'm not sure how far away we are from this model in some respects. We have >whiteboards which sort of decentralize new development, and I am proposing an >"unstable" branch that maps to the "develop" >branch in the article

RE: SVN and issues with branching / consider how we use SVN going forward

2012-08-08 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>So again I ask. How do you intend you merge from unstable to trunk persons A >changes when the unstable branch containts persons A, B, C, D, E and F changes >and each may of made multiple check ins at different times. As far >as I'm >aware there's no easy way to do it (even if you look up exac

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-05 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I don't know what Gravity is either. Is it Telemetry? BTW What happened to >Telemetry? Gravity is a framework which, in theory, solves the problems associated with multiple domain applications using the Marshall plan by providing a structure to work within. While my opinion may be somewhat con

RE: [ROADMAP] Apache Flex Steering Survey - Revised component status

2012-08-03 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>About OSMF. What is the status of OSMF? Is it being actively maintained and >developed by Adobe? OSMF is still being actively maintained and expanded by Adobe, that is probably part of the reason we won't see it soon/ever without some work on our part.

RE: [Discuss] Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Flex 4.8.0

2012-07-13 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>The other tests, that don't make use of flexunit seem to run though (Well I >haven't found one failling test that doesn't use flexunit) ... so I guess this >is some good news. Chris, Ping me with any flexunit help you need. Mike

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Flex 4.8.0 - RC3 - build number 1359417 (and Flex has been trademark signed off by Adobe for donation to Apache)

2012-07-13 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>> >>2) I don't think my question about how >>./frameworks/projects/flash-integration/FLA/ContentHolder.fla can be >>proven harmless [1] has been answered. Carol and Alex, Will it still work with the build tools if we made this a CS5.5 style FLA instead? If so, that version is basically a zip f

RE: [VOTE] Release Apache Flex 4.8.0 - RC3 - build number 1359417 (and Flex has been trademark signed off by Adobe for donation to Apache)

2012-07-10 Thread Michael A. Labriola
+1, Binding

RE: flex testing architecture

2012-06-26 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I'm having a look to the Flex source code and it seems that Adobe didn't use >TDD or I don't see the ALL tests. There are no unit tests. Very early in this list there is a prolonged series of discussions on this topic, it might be useful to give those a quick read. >For example I think that ea

RE: Automated UI Tester for ActionScript

2012-06-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Historically, the problems you think are important have been different from >the list of top issues I hear from the Adobe folks (and generally, my opinions >usually match better against your list). >I'm primarily interested in issues that impact Apache Flex and especially ones >that might some

RE: Automated UI Tester for ActionScript

2012-06-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>When you explained to Adobe that it would be a bad idea simply stop >development on the Flex SDK and instead donate it to this Apache Project, >Adobe took your advice. Then, a few thousand of us [and counting] >joined this >project and began donating our time and expertise. I am saying that ask

RE: Automated UI Tester for ActionScript

2012-06-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>This was done by a team working on the Flash plug-ins in Creative Suite. >Some might find it useful. >What are the "new ones" we are ignoring? You want me to elucidate all of the new problems Adobe should be solving to gain market share? Don't you already pay someone for that?

RE: flexunit

2012-06-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>It is pretty stable but for my experience it is buggy when yuo have to test >the skinnable components and/or the rendering phases. >Did you expirence that as well? >Does the UIImpersonator addElement with flexunit4 work for you? The UIImpersonator piece is the part I want to redo. Right now it t

RE: Automated UI Tester for ActionScript

2012-06-21 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> I'm not sure if people have seen this or not; but Adobe has posted (or is in > the process of posting) an Automated UI Tester for ActionScript up to their > SourceForge account. >http://sourceforge.net/adobe/genie/wiki/Home/ >I have no idea if this could be used with Flex; or if we would even

RE: flexunit

2012-06-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
> are u alone on this project? Right now, yes. We haven't had any critical bugs (those without easy workarounds filed in a number of years). There are a number of things we wanted to do around better spark/mx support and others but most of the community working on the project has moved on to ot

RE: flexunit

2012-06-20 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Filippo, It is in the process of moving to Apache. It is maintained by me. Mike -Original Message- From: filippo dipisa [mailto:fili...@dipisa.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:51 AM To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: flexunit Hi All, I can see that the last FlexUnit versi

RE: RIP Doug Arthur

2012-05-29 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>That is really sad news. I had the opportunity to talk to Doug for quite a >while at 360|Flex as well, and really enjoyed our short time together. >-Nick Wow. He spent a lot of time trying to push this project forward and will be missed. Still a bit in shock. Mike

RE: Website designs

2012-05-25 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>You can see result at >http://www.fusecollective.com/apache-flex/website_v1.jpg and >http://www.fusecollective.com/apache-flex/website_v2.jpg I like the first one quite a bit.

RE: Apache Flex structure to be BMS compliant (was Re: Library Versions used in Flex SDK)

2012-05-24 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I think there's a misundertood. copying from my mail at 16:22 : "Maybe just as >soon as Apache Flex 4.8 sdk will be released, right?". So it's right to wait >until 4.9. We all agree with parity release is the best to start. My mistake. I missed that sentence

RE: Apache Flex structure to be BMS compliant (was Re: Library Versions used in Flex SDK)

2012-05-24 Thread Michael A. Labriola
tentionally geared toward ensuring that existing projects still continue to function in existing versions of Flash Builder. My hope was that people like IntelliJ would support our more advanced features and hence become the clear choice, but that we wouldn't break things for existing users. Mi

RE: Apache Flex structure to be BMS compliant (was Re: Library Versions used in Flex SDK)

2012-05-24 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I think the tool refactors implied in tools like Fb or Intellij will be of low >impact and should not be a problem to stop evolution, since is re-structure of >the sdk to be a more standard piece of software... maybe I'm talking from a >>feeling that this not should be a huge showstopper. So,

RE: FalcoJs

2012-05-04 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>:) True, my wording was too harsh for sure, I retract "100%". But my point was >that the blog post wording originally was such that it very much made it sound >like FalconJS was going to live or die based solely on >Apache Flex team, >whereas in reality at this point in time only Adobe has anyt

RE: FalcoJs

2012-05-04 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I understand, but could be useful also vote before writing the code no? >For example i could write 10 user stories and then If I see that nobody likes >them I don't event start to implement them. You are absolutely free to do so and get people's opinions of them. I was simply saying there isn't

RE: FalcoJs

2012-05-04 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>Thanks for the clarification. >Waiting Falco, in order to contribute to apache flex I just have to checkout >the Flex code and then decide what to do, right? >have you got any agile tool containing the user stories and the sprint mapping? Yes, you just check out the code. However, apache doesn'

RE: FalcoJs

2012-05-04 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>So why they updated that blog? >It seems an offcial blog from adobe no? > I understand the confusion, I really do. Much of Adobe isn't really good at the communicating with humans thing. I can absolutely 100% promise you we do not ye

RE: FalcoJs

2012-05-04 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>FalconJS is in the queue after Falcon. All of these things take time. I hope >to beat Jeffry's time frame, but you never know. Let's clarify that for the moment. Neither are really in the queue because, at this point, Adobe (despite what that blog post errantly says) has not yet donated Falc

RE: May Podling Report for Flex

2012-05-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I will ask for an update and test the waters, but infra was pretty adamant >that if we insert the issues ourselves it will be hard to recover if there is >a problem. Well, it is easier to recover if there are no issues in Jira. That's for sure. :) Mike

RE: May Podling Report for Flex

2012-05-01 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Alex, Is it worth asking for some form of variance to manually insert these Jira issues via the web interface? I know this was previously rejected, but, given that it is two months later, perhaps the conversation can be reopened if we promise to throttle it. Mike -Original Message- F

RE: en_CA locale

2012-04-28 Thread Michael A. Labriola
>I'd like to propose changing every occurrence of color in the SDK to colour As long as I can create a length validator hardcoded to feet :)

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