Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Omar Gonzalez
As far as involving Git that should be up to each individual developer. Git is very efficient at managing branches locally and contains workflows that allow you to interface with an SVN repository while giving you the branching freedom that a DCVS system like Git offers. I also agree with Jeffry o

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Omar Gonzalez
I'm with the rest of the people that hold this as really important to them. It makes it easier to read. I understand that we are not all going to come to an agreement on 100% of the formatting, but that's what teams do, they come to a compromise and they all buy in and comply for the sake of the te

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Maybe the mentors will guide us here. I seem to have the impression that the trunk should always be the release. It can never be in a state that isn't a certified release. I think that may be because our "product" is just source code, and folks shouldn't have to navigate through tags to get the

ACCOUNT

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Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
I poked around the Apache projects and found this: http://cxf.apache.org/javadoc/latest/ If you pick the class AegisDataBinding, you will see it inherits from java.lang.object which is not in the package list but the links point to the main javadoc at oracle. And there is a list of methods inheri

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Garth Braithwaite
We might want to hold off on even placeholders until we hear back from Adobe on branding. On Wednesday, January 4, 2012, Randy Troppmann wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Try these urls: > > http://randytroppmann.com/flex/apache-flex-logo.png > http://randytroppmann.com/flex/apache-flex-logo-69x80.png > > -

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Randy Troppmann
Hi Dave, Try these urls: http://randytroppmann.com/flex/apache-flex-logo.png http://randytroppmann.com/flex/apache-flex-logo-69x80.png - Randy On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Randy, > > The list strips out attachments. If you will provide an alternative url or > send

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Randy, The list strips out attachments. If you will provide an alternative url or send it to me directly that would be great. Regards, Dave On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Randy Troppmann wrote: > Here is a placeholder logo in a couple sizes. > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Dave Fish

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
As someone that has worked with an Apache like project before I can say that the sandbox approach is very very help and would prefer to keep it. Branches are meant to go back into the trunk eventually, however the sandbox may never go into the trunk and have various crazy changes. It's been helpf

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
I would have to agree with Jeffery. Almost all of the projects I've seen that use SVN are organized in a Trunk/Branch/Tag method. I don't see any reason for us not to mimic the same. I also think that long-term 'projects' and short-term be given the same treatment. Each gets its own branch, and

RE: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Web DoubleFx
An other way, maybe clearer in term of dev and branching would maybe the use of svn as master and git for branching, you can read more in the links bellow : http://blogpro.toutantic.net/2012/01/02/another-git-branching-model/ http://wiki.apache.org/general/GitAtApache Frédéric Thomas > Date:

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Randy Troppmann
Here is a placeholder logo in a couple sizes. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> >> On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> ...

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 4, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> ... >>> I have significant experience using the Apache CMS with the Apache >>> OpenOffice podling. >>> >>> See

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
I can honestly say it's been a long time since I looked at the public Flex SVN repo; so I'm not sure the extent of what is in there or how it is organized. Most projects I've worked on have used a "Trunk/Branch/Tag" approach. To map: * Released sounds kind of like tags; which is a full

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Arturo Alvarado
As a short term project, how about bringing some of the new mobile components to the Desktop/Web? Arturo Alvarado - Original Message - From: "Alex Harui" To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 7:13:36 PM Subject: Re: So, what should we do first? Still hop

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
At some point, most every Flex Component inherits from a Flash component. In my own development, I Find it hugely beneficial to be able to look at all the inherited methods and properties. I often find properties and methods up in the hierarchy that I didn't know existed just by reading t

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Still hoping for end of week, but maybe Monday. -Alex On 1/4/12 4:54 PM, "Jeff Tapper" wrote: > Any idea how long till adobe commits the code? > On Jan 4, 2012 7:44 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > >> I¹m loving the ideas and energy on this list so far. And so, the subject >> question needs to be

Re: So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Jeff Tapper
Any idea how long till adobe commits the code? On Jan 4, 2012 7:44 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > I’m loving the ideas and energy on this list so far. And so, the subject > question needs to be answered: What should we (the committers in this > project) do first? > > I recall from the summit that a

So, what should we do first?

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
I’m loving the ideas and energy on this list so far. And so, the subject question needs to be answered: What should we (the committers in this project) do first? I recall from the summit that a healthy Apache project releases at least every 4 to 6 months, and one of the things an incubator po

Hi All!

2012-01-04 Thread Carlos Rovira
Hi, just want to say hi to all members. I'm glad to see Apache Flex coming and many known people here. Hope as well to contribute as soon as I can, and this hope will be in few month from now on. Best and... Go Apache Flex Go! :) -- Carlos Rovira Director de Tecnología M: +34 607 22 60 05 F:

First thoughts

2012-01-04 Thread Rui Silva
Hi, I'm an initial commiter to the Flex project. I'm listed in the Flex Proposal under a different e-mail that I decided to change in order to better separate interests. If I was judging the future of Flex by the activity I've been seeing today on this list, I'd say we're in for bright days

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
I didn't quite answer the use case question you had. Two that are huge is as I said an ASDoc Editor, you have no idea how much time this has saved me, just think of the typing, editing and code completion for documentation. The other is metadata. Allowing a DOM to access the compilers AST t

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
OK, Then I stand corrected with the SWC option I guess I don't quite understand how that works with the Flash Builder IDE at least. Mike Quoting Alex Harui : Good question. We will have to first figure out whether we can/should. I would imagine that there is JavaDoc for Java-based projec

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Good question. We will have to first figure out whether we can/should. I would imagine that there is JavaDoc for Java-based projects in Apache that inherit from Java classes and the JavaDoc does not include packages not in Apache project. Maybe the mentors can answer. We might have to make it s

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Rick Winscot
For clarity on my compiler hooks comment... imagine if you could send compiled output through optimization utilities like Apparat (Joa has released it as open source btw) or using byte-code as the base for a DSL. Lot's of possibilities... Cheers, Rick Winscot On Wednesday, January 4, 2012 at

Re: [Account]

2012-01-04 Thread Tink
Hi Bertrand I've now sent this in. Tink On 4 Jan 2012, at 10:23, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Tink wrote: I am an initial committer for Flex (the email address used on that list is stephen.do...@tink.ws, please can that be amended to f...@tink.ws). Pl

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
Why couldn't we load (Flash) SWC's that hold the asdoc comments like Flash Builder does and extract them. In a properly designed application framework, you would pull that information into the DOM before the render. I have alot of experience with this area so I would love more conversatio

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
I'm probably worrying about this a bit too early and I know I've violated this a bit also. I'm going to watch what I say. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > And you did. I made sure to apologize early to you because it wasn't your > comment, but just general comments of firs

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
And you did. I made sure to apologize early to you because it wasn't your comment, but just general comments of first priorities and what is important. My worry is that some of these discussions hinder someone that may come in that doesn't feel like they can help rearchitect the framework, but just

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Rick Winscot : web-links between classes, easy references to classes in the build paths done doc generation done, I have written JASDoc using jasblocks that creates all my components asdocs in html What I'm saying is I already have an application that uses an AST DOM in asblo

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
I'm curious if we'll be able to generate the full ASDocs, like what are on the Adobe site without the source code for the Flash stuff. We can only go so far up the inheritance tree. On 1/4/2012 5:40 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: I do not have a lot of experience with the actual compiler and

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
No argument. I'd like to think I was clearly expressing personal preference, not dictating other people's actions. On 1/4/2012 5:44 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: Just to be fair. If they want to make another set of Components that is completely their choice. Sorry Jeff for responding with thi

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Rick Winscot
Mike, This sounds like an interesting idea. I've been all over MetaAS, PMD, and Code Model... which is what it would take to make something like this happen. Why so much depth? Mainly, because 'docs' aren't just 'text.' A good example would be web-links between classes, references, etc. Code fo

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I have a CMS which consists of 10-15 modules with dynamic skinning (3 skins based on rolloutID the style.swf for the relevant project will be loaded at runtime) and there has been a lot of work done by inexperienced developers (following code guidelines with good testing but focus was on getting it

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Keep in mind that Adobe hopes to contribute Falcon at some later point in time which seems to have a much cleaner code base to work from. Although it isn't available now. Also keep in mind that the compiler source may not be in the first drop to Apache. On 1/4/12 2:45 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wro

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
I've been fortunate to test out some of Michael's work on ASDoc tooling, I can say they are well worth it :) As for the compiler hooks, I guess we'll have to wait for Adobe to donate the new Falcon compiler before we can start having fun with those ideas. On 4 January 2012 23:45, Jonathan Campos

Re: Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
Go for it On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Hi, > > I do not have a lot of experience with the actual compiler and asdoc tool > but that has not stopped me from having fun with parsers and AST. :) > > I am wondering if there is any interest in creating some apis in the > c

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
Just to be fair. If they want to make another set of Components that is completely their choice. Sorry Jeff for responding with this to your post, just see lots of people talking about what should and should not be done. We all have to remember that some people's passions may be in a different dir

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread João Fernandes
On 1/4/2012 10:23 PM, Iwo Banaś wrote: Many of performance issues can be addressed but to be sure that we are addressing the right ones we'll need a good performance benchmarks. Preferably a full enterprise applications. I'm aware that it's not possible to release commercial application code as

Proposition :: ASDoc and compiler adjustments

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
Hi, I do not have a lot of experience with the actual compiler and asdoc tool but that has not stopped me from having fun with parsers and AST. :) I am wondering if there is any interest in creating some apis in the compiler that jive with the asdoc tool(modifying the asdoc tool). I'm g

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
Has open Laszlo stayed up to date? I hadn't heard of it in many years. I--personally--would rather see efforts put towards optimizing existing Flex Components or the component framework; not on creating a 3rd component framework within Flex. On 1/4/2012 5:10 PM, Raju Bitter wrote: It wo

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
The large CSS file issue should be resolved in 4.6. And Ryan will likely submit another patch that makes it even better during state transitions. It is important to profile your application to understanding why you are having performance problems. Sure, UIComponent can be refactored and become

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
If someone was so inclined they could create some intentionally complicated application that allows you to view mailing list messages or some app to that effect. Then with this shared (and possibly helpful) app we could beat against it for performance. Just a wild idea. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:2

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
>From what I understood about the DI features in the framework in Labriola's talk at the flex summit, these would actually happen at compile-time, so its not the same DI functionality we're used to when building applications (like Parsley/Swiz/Spring/etc). Interesting details by the way about the d

Re: Flex Text Formatting suggestion

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Using Flex to render HTML/CSS as been thought to be a ton of work, but could definitely happen with community support. I have an old prototype on my blog that I've been refactoring in my spare time. -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui On 1/4/12 2:03 P

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Iwo Banaś
The Flex framework is a big beast but from my experience whichever part you pick it can be optimized :-) The biggest issue with StyleManager is scalability, it's fast for small toy projects and simple examples but terribly slow for huge applications.The problem is that styles processing times grow

Re: help please - not able to commit

2012-01-04 Thread Carol Frampton
Greg thank you - that was my problem. Carol -Original Message- From: Greg Reddin Reply-To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:14:20 -0800 To: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Subject: Re: help please - not able to commit >On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Carol Fram

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Go for it. On 1/4/12 2:13 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: > This is likely not an option due to lexical errors, a lot of > formatters out there aren't perfect since they parse and re-emit code. > > If there was a formatter that was written that hooked into the flex > compiler's AST, that is anot

Re: help please - not able to commit

2012-01-04 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > > I am able to checkout the branch > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/trunk but I am not able to > commit with either SmartSVN, which is what I usually use, or the command > line. Did you try https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/in

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
This is likely not an option due to lexical errors, a lot of formatters out there aren't perfect since they parse and re-emit code. If there was a formatter that was written that hooked into the flex compiler's AST, that is another animal. I would love to work on that. :) Mike Quoting Ro

Re: Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Adobe will not be caching RSLs from Apache so yes, we want to reduce the need for caching RSLs in the future. On 1/4/12 1:34 PM, "Roland Zwaga" wrote: > Its kind of sad since the framework RSL's then won't be put in the player's > trusted cache, but then again, if the SDK gets better modularize

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
I'm with you Alex. Definitely hear what you are saying and would like to solve this issue. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Interfaces, modularity and DI are all good things. But, IMHO, the key > thing > to keep in mind is that we are working in a constrained environment. If

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
as a committer you have the ability to 0/-1 code for formatting. I would think it would be considered "polite" to let them know that was the reason was formatting so they can do a quick fix. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Rogelio Castillo Aqueveque < roge...@rogeliocastillo.com> wrote: > maybe a

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Raju Bitter
It would make sense to build a light-weight component set for Flex, which could be used for rendering Flex apps in HTML5 later on. The approach could be based on the UI/component implementation OpenLaszlo has (which provides cross-compilation features for ActionScript and JavaScript, check this dem

help please - not able to commit

2012-01-04 Thread Carol Frampton
I am able to checkout the branch http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/flex/trunk but I am not able to commit with either SmartSVN, which is what I usually use, or the command line. I am able to use the username and password to log in to Apache Account Utility so I think I have them right. I

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
Interfaces, modularity and DI are all good things. But, IMHO, the key thing to keep in mind is that we are working in a constrained environment. If you are old enough to have tried to fit a DOS program in 640K, then that's a good analogy to keep in mind. It will all come down to trade-offs. No

RE: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Douglas Arthur
Fair enough. I hadn't considered other ide's. Maybe there are alternatives that could be setup for other ide's with supporting documentation of code guidance, rather than "standards". I agree we can't make everyone follow the same coding conventions, but we can highly encourage them. >From my e

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Rogelio Castillo Aqueveque
maybe a pre-commit hook into svn client that run the formatter just before the commit happens would work. --- Rogelio Castillo Aqueveque roge...@rogeliocastillo.com On 4/01/2012, at 6:57 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > This is kind of what I was getting at. > > The problem with the Flex Forma

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Coding+Conventions This is exactly why I asked because I saw that, what 4 years ago? :) Still committed code didn't follow it. As committers, if we agree on a convention, to we have the right to turn down code that does not follow it and tel

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
There will be numerous smaller things to tackle of course, I just wanted this general topic started to get some feedback. - I want UIComponent to be more lightweight - I want to reduce the performance cost of using styles and style selectors/descendants - I don't want UI to get blocked because of

Flex Text Formatting suggestion

2012-01-04 Thread Lionel Andre Pierre
Please forgive if this is out of turn or place, it seems people are making suggestions about the work they would like to see done on Flex and I would like to contribute. I've used Flex for about 5 years and always found text formatting to be difficult and limited. I would like to see as an alt

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Iwo Banaś
Exactly! But here comes the interfaces gotcha: to benefit from interfaces you can't just add a huge interface for every class, you have to define minimal, simple and implementation independent interfaces and ensure that different part of the framework are communicating using these interfaces. The

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
Carol, we talked about this previously. I am right there with you about uniform code. Big deal to me. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > There is a coding standard but unfortunately not everyone chose to follow > it, or only followed the parts they liked. > > http://opensour

Re: Committer duties and information

2012-01-04 Thread Greg Reddin
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Regarding Spoon, are there things an Apache project typically does not do > that Spoon or some other entity should be doing?  Like promotion, education, > training etc.? Apache projects "can" do everything you mentioned. Also, Apach

RE: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
This is kind of what I was getting at. The problem with the Flex Formatter is it's an Eclipse plugin that last time I looked. The dev might have abstracted it but I don't know. The problem is Flash Builder is not the only ide in town. Mike Quoting Douglas Arthur : I for one vote that we s

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think that "performance" is an actionable item. The Flex Framework is a big beast; what exactly do you want to improve performance of? If you were to say that "I want views in a mobile web app to change quicker when using a viewChange effect" that w

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
+1 , if it can be done with FlexFormatter it would be even better On 04/01/12 22:54, "Carol Frampton" wrote: >There is a coding standard but unfortunately not everyone chose to follow >it, or only followed the parts they liked. > >http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Coding+Conventio

Re: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Carol Frampton
There is a coding standard but unfortunately not everyone chose to follow it, or only followed the parts they liked. http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Coding+Conventions I am in favor of a coding standard. I like uniform looking code. Carol -Original Message- From: Micha

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
Oh, I get it. I haven't worked much with those. But this does apply to the mobile scene as well. Even apps like Photoshop Touch lag quite a lot on the Galaxy tab 10.1, which came out this year. It's not a code issue, it's a framework issue. It does apply to skinning a lot as well. Just performan

RE: Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Douglas Arthur
I for one vote that we suggest developers to use FlexFormatter and publish a settings file for public consumption. I believe Adobe uses it in-house, please someone correct me if I'm wrong? And I even believe there's a settings file floating around from Adobe. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawi

Re: Setting up the Apache CMS (was: the Flex website)

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 4, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > ... >> I have significant experience using the Apache CMS with the Apache >> OpenOffice podling. >> >> See https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/site/trunk and

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
And it's not only on mobile, on desktop (mostly Mac's) this is a problem also. I'm talking about big enterprise applications and websites here (like a CMS with graphical skin applied, nothing really in standard Flex skin) On 04/01/12 22:49, "Arthur Lockman" wrote: >+1 on this. Performance defini

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/4/2012 4:43 PM, Fréderic Cox wrote: So do I, it's hard to convince clients. You can convince them with good applications but they think Adobe is abandoning it due to all the miscommunication so they are opting for HTML5 mobile apps. Be sure to let your clients know that AIR is the technol

Re: Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
+1 on this. Performance definitely needs to be addressed on Flex. I've noticed that on newer devices, it works fine. But on the slightly older ones, performance is a huge issue. Hopefully we can get in there and clean it up so it performs better. -- Arthur Lockman | Senior Developer @ Vivace

Flex SDK code conventions

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
I hate this topic but it needs to be asked to the community. Since I am an initial committer I will stand by whatever the consensus is with the code I commit. But then the question, what are we doing about this? There is already ALOT of code in the sdk that uses different conventions. I th

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Alex Harui
A very important aspect of AIR is the new ability to package the AIR runtime in your application. That binds your app to a specific version if AIR eliminating risk that some future version of AIR will break your app. There are issues with the total package size, but a smaller framework could redu

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
Thats worth a lot. I'm glad to hear that. -Arthur --- Arthur Lockman a.rthr.me @arthurlockman Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > I can tell you that it is my commitment. Take that for what it is worth. > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Arthur Lockman wrot

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I call that a very good start :-) Thanks On 04/01/12 22:37, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: >I can tell you that it is my commitment. Take that for what it is worth. > >On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Arthur Lockman >wrote: > >> I hope that it stays air compatible. Working with flex mobile with air >>

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
Not sure if that would work but ya, kind of like that. DI could get you there without having to rip apart the core of flex. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > Or even better, don't need StyleManager? Throw it out completely and save a > buttload of memory :) > > On 4 January 20

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
So do I, it's hard to convince clients. You can convince them with good applications but they think Adobe is abandoning it due to all the miscommunication so they are opting for HTML5 mobile apps. I think AIR for mobile created with Flex is an extremely powerful tool (combined with the .ane's) On

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
I can tell you that it is my commitment. Take that for what it is worth. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Arthur Lockman wrote: > I hope that it stays air compatible. Working with flex mobile with air > is a breeze, and there's really nothing like it. I hope it continues > to work with it. > > ---

Re: Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Arthur Lockman
I hope that it stays air compatible. Working with flex mobile with air is a breeze, and there's really nothing like it. I hope it continues to work with it. --- Arthur Lockman a.rthr.me @arthurlockman Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Fréderic Cox" wrote: > I started working with

Re: Committer duties and information

2012-01-04 Thread Iwo Banaś
Hi Guys, I think that the crucial question here is how we handle version control. For a simple bugfix committing to "trunk" and voting or submitting a patch are OK. The problem is how we handle bigger chunks of work like mentioned TabNavigator? I'm all for collaboration from the very beginning of

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
Or even better, don't need StyleManager? Throw it out completely and save a buttload of memory :) On 4 January 2012 22:31, Jonathan Campos wrote: > The problem gets a bit hairy on parts of the framework that aren't readily > accessible (managers/singletons). These would be the first target for D

Re: Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
Its kind of sad since the framework RSL's then won't be put in the player's trusted cache, but then again, if the SDK gets better modularized there won't be a need to download half a meg worth of framework for a small application. So in the end, the trusted cache won't be missed hopefully... 2012/

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Jonathan Campos
The problem gets a bit hairy on parts of the framework that aren't readily accessible (managers/singletons). These would be the first target for DI, allowing swappable components following good interfaces. Don't like StyleManager? Have a lightweight focus manager specifically for mobile? DI could

Re: Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread João Fernandes
On 1/4/2012 9:27 PM, Douglas Arthur wrote: I was just thinking about RSL's and how Adobe hosts the framework RSL's on their servers. Will these be migrated over to Apache, or remain on Adobe's servers, or both? If they become hosted on Apache, will they be setup outside of an incubator uri so

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Rogelio Castillo Aqueveque
ooh, I guess I misunderstood the idea of DI, I thought about implementing other parsley/swiz/etc inside the sdk. I'm all for modularity and DI within the framework. R --- Rogelio Castillo Aqueveque roge...@rogeliocastillo.com On 4/01/2012, at 6:25 PM, Roland Zwaga wrote: > I think Michael

Apache Flex for mobile

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I started working with Flex 4.6 for mobile today creating an iPad application and must say I am amazed at the possibilities and workflow. I am wondering though on how the Apache project will cooperate with AIR for mobile. Is there a guarantee that future versions of the SDK work with it? Is that

Re: Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread Garth Braithwaite
Adobe is not currently planning to support Apache Flex RSLs in the flash player. -- Garth Braithwaite Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com) On Wednesday, January 4, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Douglas Arthur wrote: > I was just thinking about RSL's and how Adobe hosts the framework RSL's on

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread João Fernandes
Rogelio, while there are a lot of DI frameworks out there for AS3, they don't work inside the core of the framework itself and from what I've learned at the Summit, the spoon project could implement it. From what I understood, it's a mix of DI at runtime and AOP with help of the compiler. I'm

Re: Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
>From what I've heard Adobe will no longer sign the Apache Flex binaries, so the cached RSL's won't be supported anymore... But I've just heard rumors, not sure if they're true... On 4 January 2012 22:27, Douglas Arthur wrote: > I was just thinking about RSL's and how Adobe hosts the framework R

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
I think everyone's pretty much on the same page as you Mike :) Describing component functionality using sane interfaces will *allow* DI much more easily. If some type of configuration for this can be supported by the SDK, that would be awesome because existing DI frameworks could hook into those so

Flex Framework rsl's

2012-01-04 Thread Douglas Arthur
I was just thinking about RSL's and how Adobe hosts the framework RSL's on their servers. Will these be migrated over to Apache, or remain on Adobe's servers, or both? If they become hosted on Apache, will they be setup outside of an incubator uri so they don't ever have to change again? Has any

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Roland Zwaga
I think Michael Labriola has some ideas about modularity and DI within the framework, his idea was definitely NOT to have Flex feature an IoC container like Swiz/SpringAS/SmartyPants etc. The DI features would be focused on framework modularity, not on *application* frameworks. On 4 January 2012 2

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schmalle
This is just a weird thought and I have no opinion on DI since it's like religion to most. Isn't the idea of OOP polymorphism, and the way you create it is through abstract interfaces? Correct me if I'm wrong here. Maybe I am from another planet but it seems to me, that the strength in Ap

Flex performance

2012-01-04 Thread Fréderic Cox
I've worked on Flex applications for the past 4-5 years and see a lot of developers picking it up since it is easy to create rich applications. However performance is often an issue. I mostly see it when using a lot of styles (or one large CSS file) and skinned components (It is even worse with

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread João Saleiro
Rogelio, I am not saying that the Flex SDK should have a lib for DI (like Swiz or Mate). What I would like was to be able to configure the mappings between the interfaces and objects, so I could easily replace TabNavigator1 with TabNavigator2 touching in code as less as possible. Part of the DI

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread Dirk Eismann
true, we may not need a new framework to do DI in Flex, there are plenty of DI frameworks. But what we DO need in the core Flex classes is the ability to inject dependencies directly into the classes instead of having the classes create their dependencies themselves (in worst case statically or in

Re: Flex modularity through composition and interfaces

2012-01-04 Thread João Fernandes
I have to agree with Roland, clearly DI will require good use of interfaces to work, no? If start getting external dependencies properly typed into interfaces is half work done to get basic DI working ,I'm not counting all kind of crazy AOP that could be done on top of it. João Fernandes

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