Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Thanks looks like a good book.  Here’s an even shorter answer. https://www.google.com/search?q=goddard+space+flight+center+climate+change+co2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#   Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, June 23, 2024, 3:45 PM, jamie via EV wrote: Here's a usefu

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Hi David… It’s been a long time since I posted here, but I saw your good questions, and misinformation being given, so I’m jumping into suggest that you spend an hour looking at some basic science, like the role of CO2 on earth, and some simplified accurate information on climate and the role o

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-23 Thread jamie via EV
Here's a useful 10 minute resource that sums up climate basics, "The World's Littlest Book on Climate": https://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Littlest-Book-Climate-Minutes/dp/B08KQ64VCG/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.RvphXZzi81rV_n017Qz78nJmSCR3ZvsMDxycPZ3B9kU.ti8GSedFc9KTxJlGtZfuzEZ5l0tNb5GLab2snPTG00o&

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 22 Jun 2024 at 21:54, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The problem is, I don't think Toyota (or anyone else) can make a > significantly cleaner ICE Yep, it seems to me that the development of the ICE parallels that of the phonograph. You young whippersnappers weren't there, but I heard how vin

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Discussion List" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 22-Jun-24 11:29:55 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta David Heacock wrote: Cool. I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" coming out the tail pipe? Is there now only one acceptable way to do that

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 22 Jun 2024 at 5:19, David Heacock via EV wrote: > I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" > coming out the tail pipe?  Is there now only one acceptable way to do that? You're talking about what the automakers have demanded since at least the 1990s. Don't force u

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, CO2 is a greenhouse gas which causes warming,  Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, June 22, 2024, 2:33 PM, David Heacock wrote: Okay, just to throw more fossil fuel on the fire, does CO2 cause warming or does warming cause CO2?  Please don't quote the lame stream news.  A

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread David Heacock via EV
Okay, just to throw more fossil fuel on the fire, does CO2 cause warming or does warming cause CO2?  Please don't quote the lame stream news.  And, If CO2 is bad should we set the goal to 0 ppm in the atmosphere?   Don't get me wrong, I am a very big fan of EVs and if I get my Aptera I hope to

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
David Heacock wrote: > Cool. I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" > coming out the tail pipe? Is there now only one acceptable way to do that? I quite agree. Our civilization seems addicted to the "monoculture" plan; giant corporations making the same things for

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread Ron via EV
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Focus on results not the specifics of the technology. From that point of view, ending at a point where ICE and EV and their upstream and downstream industries and effects are unharmful is just fine. The trouble, in my opinion is that electrification has, lik

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread paul dove via EV
The global warming contributor is CO2. A lot of countries put a tax on manufacturers who produce products that release CO2. That is what carbon neutral means no CO2 emissions. On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 08:43:53 AM CDT, David Heacock via EV wrote: Cool.  I always thought the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Troglodyte Toyta

2024-06-22 Thread David Heacock via EV
Cool.  I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" coming out the tail pipe?  Is there now only one acceptable way to do that?   I remember not so long ago a podcast from Europe where the big EV fan guy was saying Aptera's petition to have a standardized plug like the T