Hi David… It’s been a long time since I posted here, but I saw your good questions, and misinformation being given, so I’m jumping into suggest that you spend an hour looking at some basic science, like the role of CO2 on earth, and some simplified accurate information on climate and the role of CO2.
No, you don’t want CO2 levels to go to zero ppm in the atmosphere. Plants rely on CO2, for example. Imagine the impacts on ecosystems worldwide if there were levels of CO2 that caused stress in plants. (And people and animals breathe out CO2). I’m sure someone has modeled climate effects with a huge decline in CO2 levels, beyond pre-industrial levels, but I would expect that there would be devastating effects in that direction, too. I think that the key is maintaining the delicate balance, with not disrupting with changes. Note also that CO2 is not a pollutant in the traditional sense of the word, and has no adverse health effects. Also note that the concern for climate change is not just CO2. CO2 is important in creating the greenhouse gas effect, but it really only one of several compounds that have that impact. Many have a greater impact, but CO2 is just used as a comparison, referred to as ”CO2 equivalency”. That’s why just looking at CO2 levels doesn’t necessarily completely address the the issue, particularly since you can get a greater bang for the buck in reducing something else. Nitrogen oxides of various flavors is just one example… they come from ICE auto exhaust. They have a greater GHG impact that reducing an equivalent amount of CO2, with the added benefit that reducing NOx reduces air pollution. Lastly, someone here said that carbon neutral means “no CO2 emissions”. That’s not really the case. Carbon neutral means when you take the increases in emissions and compare with the decreases, the net of that is zero. So yes, carbon neutral can mean CO2 emissions, especially if you are offsetting those CO2 emissions with “CO2 equivalents” of a completely different compound. So again, I suggest some basic research, and even some “lame stream” sources will give you better information. Good luck in your search for answers. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 22, 2024, at 12:59 PM, David Heacock via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Okay, just to throw more fossil fuel on the fire, does CO2 cause warming or > does warming cause CO2? Please don't quote the lame stream news. And, If > CO2 is bad should we set the goal to 0 ppm in the atmosphere? > Don't get me wrong, I am a very big fan of EVs and if I get my Aptera I hope > to almost never buy any more gasoline or charge from the grid. I'm almost > one step away from being almost self sufficient when it comes to the grid and > the constant increases in energy bills and possible shut downs when our grid > gets hacked. > On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 06:50:22 AM PDT, paul dove > <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > The global warming contributor is CO2. A lot of countries put a tax on > manufacturers who produce products that release CO2. > That is what carbon neutral means.... no CO2 emissions. > > > On Saturday, June 22, 2024 at 08:43:53 AM CDT, David Heacock via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Cool. I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" > coming out the tail pipe? Is there now only one acceptable way to do that? > I remember not so long ago a podcast from Europe where the big EV fan guy was > saying Aptera's petition to have a standardized plug like the Tesla plug, was > a stupid idea. Hum, how did that work out? > Just sayin, . > On Friday, June 21, 2024 at 03:49:32 PM PDT, EV List Lackey via EV > <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Toyota just can't let go of their ICEs. Their friends at Subaru and Mazda > can't either. > > I'm sure you're surprised. > > https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60939372/toyota-subaru-mazda-hybrid-engine- > collaboration/ > > or https://v.gd/i5CaA1 > > Check out the photo of the human dinosaurs standing behind their beloved > ICEs, in all their fiddly complexity. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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