On 22 Jun 2024 at 5:19, David Heacock via EV wrote: > I always thought the idea was to reduce or eliminate the "pollutants" > coming out the tail pipe? Is there now only one acceptable way to do that?
You're talking about what the automakers have demanded since at least the 1990s. Don't force us to make EVs. Just give us a chance to make the same old ICE technology cleaner! Well, we did, and we got "Dieselgate." "Tell us the destination, not the route" - that sounds reasonable. The problem is that most of the automakers aren't - reasonable, I mean. Besides, it's not just the tailpipe. The whole ICEV support system is filthy, oiled up, carbonized. Think about petroleum extraction, refining, trucking the finished fuel, powering the filling stations. Think about oil changes, exhaust systems, wear parts that ICEVs need replaced but EVs don't. The ICEV support system belches out CO2, other greenhouse gases, and all kinds of pollutants - some unregulated, some unknown - from the wellhead to the tailpipe. > does CO2 cause warming or does warming cause CO2? I'm not taking that bait either :-), but even if you don't buy CO2's part in global warming, the rising percentage of atmospheric CO2 - a known fact - has other effects. We're messing around with Mother Nature's spec sheet. Example: have you noticed how much faster weeds grow these days? Where I used to live in Ohio, the poison ivy grew faster and bigger every year. That's both higher average temperatures and rising CO2 percentage. EVs are fundamentally better because they're much more efficient than ICEVs. Even if the powerplant feeding them burns gas or coal, they're *still* cleaner. EVs are also fuel-flexible. If your local powerplant uses fossil fuel, well, fine, don't use that electricity in your EV. Bolt PV on your roof instead, assuming you can afford it. Even if you don't add PV, as coal powerplants go offline and get replaced by renewables, your driving gets cleaner without any effort on your part - IF you're driving an EV. OTOH, if you have an ICEV, it burns what it burns. It's kind of tough to make gasoline with panels on your roof. And as it ages, it gets dirtier, not cleaner. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = An app is just a webpage wrapped in enough "intellectual property" to make it a crime to defend yourself against corporate predation. -- Cory Doctorow = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
