[DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-12 Thread Wes Hardaker
Because it's time... Start of forwarded message From: internet-dra...@ietf.org To: "Wes Hardaker" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 08:48:21 -0700 A new versio

Re: [DNSOP] draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1

2022-08-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
SIG records. Validating resolvers MUST treat RRSIG records created from DNSKEY records using these algorithms as insecure. If no other RRSIG records of accepted cryptographic algorithms are available, the validating resolver MUST consider the associated resourc

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
Roy Arends writes: > What is missing is how validators/validating resolvers should behave > when presented with SHA1. Yep; see the response to Jim. [the draft was a starting place, of course; I'm sure there will be more text needed. "send text" is always an adequate

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
o fight the authors about whether to kill sha1 or not :-P -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
t the expected table entries and text should look like. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis-00.txt

2022-08-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
Because it's also time... Start of forwarded message From: internet-dra...@ietf.org To: "Ondrej Sury" , "Paul Wouters" , "Wes Hardaker" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis-00.txt Da

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis-00.txt

2022-08-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
ithm[s]. All fixed. [and invited you to the github repo too] -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPAuthorship - was: Re: [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
I'll work it out with them about whether they want to be an author in the first place. Paul has already agreed to be left. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [internet-dra...@ietf.org] New Version Notification for draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1-00.txt

2022-08-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Wouters writes: > I drop my objection to changing SHA1 status :) I win I win! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC9276 (7104)

2022-08-26 Thread Wes Hardaker
Viktor Dukhovni writes: > > There is a typo, "opt-opt" should be "opt-out". > > > Thanks, this correction is valid. Indeed it should have been > "opt-out". Concur! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
th right and wrong in many ways. I'm avoiding the more complex aspects. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
t to go through the process of registering? IE, if the burden is high or they're simply lazy, they'll still end up squatting. So we need an alt.alt that isn't registered at all? Do we make the burden so low that it attracts hopefully everyone? Do we not have a registry so this problem

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
alt won't be the perfect solution for them. And they'd prefer something like .reg.alt where conflict doesn't occur. Sadly, we almost need two .alt name spaces: one which is explicitly not-registry-controlled, and one which is. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
ot intending to be negative here]. 2. Those that deliberately want to collide because the nature of their solution may be to "replace" the DNS because they detest centralization based solutions, or think theirs is simply better, or The "we" was referring to

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
hat, but I suspect that's going against what the alternate name space proponents want: minimal upgrades to existing software [right or wrong as that may be -- no judgment here]. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
the user input is valid before accepting a submit button. Maybe. Maybe not. It feels like a hope, not an assured solution. Even though it's the *right* thing to do. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
simply "should we have a registry and how will this work?" Based on the last week of mail, the general concept of "we need a carve-out" (to use Paul's terminology) seems generally agreed upon. It's just the details that aren't agreed to yet. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI __

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-24 Thread Wes Hardaker
about whether the question should be asked immediately, and what the nature of that question should be: I'm all ears and will pass it on (at least in aggregated consensus form) during future IAB discussions. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-25 Thread Wes Hardaker
be/sh9Bbk_1bMQ?t=1365 [3] https://blog.apnic.net/2020/08/21/chromiums-impact-on-root-dns-traffic/ -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] CFP for DINR 2023 virtual workshop, Feb. 22 2023, for early DNS research

2022-12-15 Thread Wes Hardaker
stracts (suggested 1 page text + 1 page references) from people who are interested presenting at the workshop. Abstracts are due soon after the start of the new year (2023-01-18), but as a reminder they need not be lengthy. Co-chairs are John Heidemann and Wes Hardaker (both at USC/ISI), with Goeff H

[DNSOP] reminder: dinr2023 submissions due soon

2023-01-16 Thread Wes Hardaker
01-18), but as a reminder they need not be lengthy. Co-chairs are John Heidemann and Wes Hardaker (both at USC/ISI), with Goeff Huston (APNIC) and Giovane Moura (SIDN Labs) on the Technical Program Committee. For details about DINR2023, see https://ant.isi.edu/events/dinr2023/ . (For informa

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-qdcount-is-one-00.txt

2023-03-06 Thread Wes Hardaker
ooking at *only* the qdcount field for all traffic arriving at b.root-servers.net yesterday for any packets where qdcount was greater than 1 was precisely zero. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPRFC 8914 EDE code for filtered rrtype

2023-03-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
, reads just the same as ( qtype) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMeaning of lame delegation

2023-04-03 Thread Wes Hardaker
t are designed to be more specific about the actual nature of the problem being observed by a recursive resolver. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMeaning of lame delegation

2023-04-04 Thread Wes Hardaker
enerating the error code and this isn't understandable when proxied. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
conversations then I believe understandably will go up from where it is now. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-17 Thread Wes Hardaker
range wording choices. But... I've said my voice, so feel free to reply but I tend not to follow up unless I have new things to add (and I doubt I will further). -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Vixie writes: > if we need more terms let's invent. but this term has established meaning. There I fixed it for you: If we need more terms let's invent. But this term has established meaning*s*. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] WGLC rfc8499bis one week extension for lame delegation definition

2023-05-02 Thread Wes Hardaker
oint of view of the error-generator. I typically don't rehash my past statements unless I have something to add [and I don't - my original statements still stand]. The consensus seemed to be at the time "it's not broken, so we

[DNSOP] New addresses for b.root-servers.net on 2023-11-27

2023-05-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
USC/ISI is renumbering both its IPv4 and IPv6 addresses for b.root-servers.net on 2023-11-27. Our new IPv4 address will be 170.247.170.2 and our new IPv6 address will be 2801:1b8:10::b. USC/ISI will continue to support root service over our current IPv4 and IPv6 addresses for at least one year (un

Re: [DNSOP] rfc8499bis: lame

2023-06-08 Thread Wes Hardaker
be the tide is shifting, as it seems like more are in favor of defining new terms now than the previous discussion round. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] rfc8499bis: lame

2023-06-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
Katherine Chen writes: > The word "lame" is also problematic in the US: As someone who grew up in the US and was frequently called "lame" during jr-high / middle-school age even though I didn't have a hurt leg, I have to agree: it's a problem in the

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPWorking Group Last call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-error-reporting

2023-06-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
o the number of error reports that should be sent anywhere as I have concerns that this could be too easily misused and caching may not be a completely sufficient mitigation. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPCall for Adoption: Consistency for CDS/CDNSKEY and CSYNC is Mandatory

2023-06-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
SYNC record and any records it is referring to). IE, the CSYNC records could be equal but the NS records need to be checked for equivalence at each server too. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPWorking Group Last call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-error-reporting

2023-06-22 Thread Wes Hardaker
bject to the largest debate] -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPReminder: Please review draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-dane

2023-07-04 Thread Wes Hardaker
irement in it. Maybe "The SVCB and associated TLSA records MUST be validated by DNSSEC." And this is one of those cases where the MUST feels right as it significantly degrades the security of the protocol if only a SHOULD is used. As such, I'd drop the

Re: [DNSOP] Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) WG Virtual Meeting: 2024-01-30

2024-01-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
s a part]. Whether this is the right solution or not will depend on feedback from many voices. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPComments on draft-dnsop-deleg-00.txt - section 1

2024-01-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
lag is encoded. Extensibility != easy deployability. It *can* but it shouldn't be assumed that all future simple on the wire changes of any type won't require major code overhauls to handle it. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing

[DNSOP] CFP for DINR 2024 virtual workshop, Apr. 4, 2024, for early DNS research

2024-02-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
maximum contributions are preferred. Co-chairs are John Heidemann and Wes Hardaker (both at USC/ISI), with Allison Mankin (Salesforce) and Moritz Müller (SIDN Labs) on the Technical Program Committee. If you wish to attend but not present, please submit a paragraph stating you wish to attend only and provide

[DNSOP] RFC8624-bis proposal update and two more documents

2024-02-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
. - draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis - draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1 - draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-ecc-gost (These are early drafts so there are certainly things to discuss about them. We look forward to those discussions.) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2024-04-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
be "table 3" in the text and under the table. Fixed > And the header for each page has a placeholder "title" instead of the > actual title. Yep, now: title: "DNSSEC Cryptographic Algorithm Recommendation Update Process" abbrev: "DNSSEC Algorithms Update Process" -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-ecc-gost-00

2024-04-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
(royal) do then we should publish it. > Appendix C has a reference to draft-hardaker-dnsop-must-not-sha1 > instead of this draft. Yep, noted by a few people. Fixed in future versions, thanks. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, must-not-sha1, must-not-ecc-gost

2024-04-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
ude lower than the EC and SHA256 based algorithms. To see trends, you can click on labels on the graph to remove them from the graph to zoom in on the nearly flat lines at the bottom. ZSK counts are similar (oddly 7 is slightly higher and 5 is slig

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, must-not-sha1, must-not-ecc-gost

2024-04-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
oftware in the DNS(SEC) landscape takes a really really long time. So the trade off of when to say "stop using this" vs "all software has already stopped using it" has a really really long gap in the middle. There is no perfect. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, must-not-sha1, must-not-ecc-gost

2024-05-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Mark Andrews writes: > If we go ahead with this these two sentences [... snip ...] That seems like a good suggestion considering the direction of the conversation. Both drafts changed accordingly, thanks for the text. -- Wes Hardaker USC/

[DNSOP]Re: DNSOPOur reading of consensus on draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, and the "must-not-algorithm" docs.

2024-05-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
th these recommendations implemented] -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list -- dnsop@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to dnsop-le...@ietf.org

[DNSOP]Re: DNSOPFurther comment re algorithm life cycles

2024-05-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
et be a solid consensus about SHA1 though new values for the ECC-GOST recommendations seems more agreed to] -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list -- dnsop@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to dnsop-le...@ietf.org

[DNSOP] 3 new documents related to updating the algorithm recommendations published

2024-07-08 Thread Wes Hardaker
well. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list -- dnsop@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to dnsop-le...@ietf.org

[DNSOP] Re: Comment on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8624-bis/

2024-07-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
"Salz, Rich" writes: > I'm not a member of this group, but I just saw the notice about this > draft in the internet-drafts mailing list. Thanks Rich, those are all valuable comments. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing l

[DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[EDE] Registering a few more error codes

2024-09-16 Thread Wes Hardaker
date it), so I'm going to go around you"? Fro #3: Again, what is my next step or recourse? I'm not sure here what I'd do with that new bit of information. Similarly, the parallel missing code is "I'm doing DNS load balancing so if you ask again in 5 minutes you'll g

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-06.txt

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
ch space to the first-come/first-served and experimental policies make that much sense. I think we'd prefer people write a specification for behaviour. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] (no subject)

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
ix A. -- Editorial: Missing diff summaries for new versions. + Response: very true. Sigh. I'm (Wes) horrible at remembering to write those, and I never put them in my drafts in the first place. With the advent of online diffs I don't find them as

[DNSOP] responses to dnsop extended errors comments

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
s.com. nobody.invalid. ( 1 ; serial 3600 ; refresh (1 hour) 1200 ; retry (20 minutes) 604800 ; expire (1 week) 10800 ; minimum (3 hours) ) ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: explanation.invalid. 10800 IN TXT "No tracking" -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] extended error changes based on your comments

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
ri/draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error/pull/5.patch] * [https://github.com/wkumari/draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error/pull/5.diff] -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] changes to extended errors based on your comments

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
a nameserver the power to instruct a resolver to not try at another nameserver gives them the power to make my zone unavailable. This completely changes the current trust model. Please remove the retry flag from the document. + The R bit has been removed in the latest flag, due

[DNSOP] changes to extended errors based on your comments

2019-08-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
e information. If you'd provide text to clarify your thinking, we'd gladly include it. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-08.txt

2019-08-10 Thread Wes Hardaker
nicate with the chairs about the timing of a LC. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] responses to dnsop extended errors comments

2019-08-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
because it was hampering real-implementations) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] changes to extended errors based on your comments

2019-08-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
observer would not >otherwise have access to, such as account numbers. I like that. I've put it in, thanks! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-08.txt

2019-08-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
e to see what you come up with. As with all loaves of bread, do you slice them cross-wise, length-wise or diagonally? [I reminded my daughter the other day that when she was young I made her sandwich in the morning for school and cut it in half using a lightning bolt like cut because she was a fan

Re: [DNSOP] Why would a v4 client send AAAA query?

2019-08-31 Thread Wes Hardaker
/SOA/etc). In the IPV6 space, it's even more interesting that 51.6% of IPv6 clients were asking about A records, and only 37% about ! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-08.txt

2019-09-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
Vittorio Bertola writes: > > Il 10 agosto 2019 20:57 Wes Hardaker ha scritto: > > > > 4) Now that this has had multiple implementations (though they'll need > > to change after the packet format and code changes [that they > > requested]), this is likel

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-08

2019-09-09 Thread Wes Hardaker
There are many places where the document uses flippant language that could confuse readers who don't understand English idioms. Although they are somewhat humorous, these could lead to confusion and should be removed. + Response: I've removed the ones I found, and may remo

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error and combinations of EDEs and RCODEs

2019-09-10 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Hoffman writes: > On Sep 9, 2019, at 9:05 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > > > Paul Hoffman writes: > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > Thanks for the comments and good suggestions. Responses below inside my > > todo list of action: > > > >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-07.txt

2019-09-10 Thread Wes Hardaker
emental information (URLs being the other common suggestion). Publishing this first (as is) doesn't get in the way of a future RFCs extending this specification. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error and combinations of EDEs and RCODEs

2019-09-11 Thread Wes Hardaker
d multiple people have pointed that one out at this point... you folks have good eyes) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-07.txt

2019-09-11 Thread Wes Hardaker
Loganaden Velvindron writes: > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 7:42 AM Wes Hardaker wrote: > > > > Loganaden Velvindron writes: > > > > Hi Loganaden, > > > > Thanks for the comments about the EDE draft. I've marked up your > > comments with respons

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error and combinations of EDEs and RCODEs

2019-09-11 Thread Wes Hardaker
Paul Hoffman writes: > On Sep 11, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > > > Tim Wicinski writes: > > > >> it sounds to me that a discussion on assumptions with EDEs and RCODES > >> would be useful in the security considerations section as well. &g

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
Loganaden Velvindron writes: > I'm ok with the latest revision. Awesome, thanks! > Just a small request: John Todd from quad9 sent his feedback, so it's > fair to credit him in the next revision of the draft. Yep, fixed. Thanks for that. -- W

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error status

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
C) Document how to handle each one independently (or as an override if needed to a global policy) D) Your option here So really, this first comes down to how important is it we handle this case set before it goes out the door? -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSO

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
display it to users. I guess the usual warnings to not click on potentially unsafe links apply. + Yeah, it really would be remiss to leave out that point. There may be nothing we can do, but the whole point of a security considerat

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
ed from different sources. Can you check the new text of them to see if they are more understandable now? -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error and combinations of EDEs and RCODEs

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
change the processing of RCODEs in messages based on extended error codes. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error and combinations of EDEs and RCODEs

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
D/Prohibited, I would have thought. + Response: I created an "Invalid Data" error code to handle this. Does this work for you? -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-09.txt

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
- Blocked 3.17. Extended DNS Error Code 16 - Censored somewhat confusing, it seems that the resolver returning the answer is reporting second-hand status from an upstream server, but the language leaves me unsure. Perhaps this can be stated more clea

Re: [DNSOP] Unsupported algorithm or unknown algorithm in draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
ne below in my tracking notes below. 14.7 DONE Mats Dufberg ~~ Error codes 1 and 2, respectively, says "unsupported algorithm" in the headline but "unknown algorithm" in the description. It should be consistent, and I think unsupported makes most s

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-27 Thread Wes Hardaker
ot; is at the delegation (referring server), not the targeted server. + Response: good catch and I like (and have put in) you replacements. I've never liked the "lame" name either, as I don't think it's descriptive

Re: [DNSOP] Processing error codes in draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10

2019-09-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
. I think it's covered by your other sentence though? (which I've just replaced the previous sentence with) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error version 10

2019-09-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
#x27;t useful in standards documents? IMHO, they're used all the time (the IMAP RFC is one of my favorites that is full of example usages). In the previous example you brought up above, I agree that we shouldn't be determining commonality of possibilities. But I think examples in general

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-09-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
Vittorio Bertola writes: > > Il 28 settembre 2019 01:41 Wes Hardaker ha scritto: > > > > + Response: Those three codes were supplied in a previous comment > > round and they are supposed to indicate policies being applied from > > different sources.

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10.txt

2019-09-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
more > than one EDE option, and thereby communicate multiple errors? Such as > perhaps the above hypothetical with some RRSIGs expired, and some not > yet vlid. Yes, the draft discusses including multiple EDE reports. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI _

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Processing error codes in draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10

2019-09-30 Thread Wes Hardaker
the above text is better and still uses strong language and indicates precedence goes to other specs. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10.txt

2019-10-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
Viktor Dukhovni writes: > > On Sep 30, 2019, at 7:06 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > > >> Which raises another question: Can an OPT RR legitimately carry more > >> than one EDE option, and thereby communicate multiple errors? Such as > >> perhaps the abov

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Processing error codes in draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10

2019-10-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
at would be discouraged. Should we warn implementers > of the issues, but still not forbid acting on them? Well, I think the new text tries to do this, no? Specifically, we're now saying "follow other specs", but we don't specifically prohibit not-acting if there are no

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-12.txt

2019-10-01 Thread Wes Hardaker
internet-dra...@ietf.org writes: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System > Operations WG of the IETF. This version addresses, I believe, all comments from the WG LC. -- Wes Hardake

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-12.txt

2019-10-02 Thread Wes Hardaker
3? Are either of these errors that > anyone has seen in the wild? (If so I would love to know how that came to > pass!) It was suggested to be added, so I did. It does make some sense... but no, I've never seen it in the wild either. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] EDE forwarding options to discuss in Singapore

2019-11-02 Thread Wes Hardaker
h can be zero length) / +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 10: / EXTRA-TEXT (can be zero length).../ +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-11-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
be changed to “2 + the length of the > EXTRA-TEXT field… .” I also changed “EXTRA-TEXT section” to > “EXTRA-TEXT field,” since the draft call these items “fields.” Thanks. Fixed! -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-11-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
be nothing we can do, but the whole point of a security > > consideration is to properly disclose any known threats/issues. > > I do not see text mentioning this. I think we're miscommunicating. Can you propose concrete text changes? -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error

2019-11-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
Viktor Dukhovni writes: > > On Nov 13, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > > > I added this text to the next version: > > > > When the response grows beyond the requestor's UDP payload > > size , servers SHOULD truncate message

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-7706bis

2019-11-13 Thread Wes Hardaker
r configs as well) 12. For B.3 (bind 9.14 with mirror): it's worth adding a note that by using the mirror implementation you're actually using less upstreams because it won't include the ICANN xfr (or localroot) sources. 13. B.3 say

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-7706bis

2019-11-20 Thread Wes Hardaker
ntations. It additionally > >provides secured AXFR transfers, which helps defeat issues with > >unsigned glue records being potentially modified in transit (see > >Section 2). > > I'm hesitant to do this because the text you give here is different >

[DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-20 Thread Wes Hardaker
it as well: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hardaker-dnsop-drop/ -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
e TC bit is unacceptable too. We need to come to a decision about this, and that will require everyone with an opinion to chime in. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
Wes Hardaker writes: > > I think our simplest and most appealing option would be to treat EDE > > exactly like any existing EDNS Option (i.e. set the TC bit). > > For the record, I'm just fine with this. People that *want* a separate > signal should speak up please a

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
not even try for adoption). But thanks, your voice matches what looks to be the rest to the norm. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] new EDE draft with a few changes

2019-12-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
d since an EDNS0 option received by the original client will be perceived only to have come from the resolver or forwarder sending it. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC1035 (5915)

2019-12-20 Thread Wes Hardaker
ot; was intentional. (if it is intentional, clarification text would certainly be good) -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] new EDE draft with a few changes

2019-12-25 Thread Wes Hardaker
put is was designed to indicate you should somehow describe where you got the information from. But we're not prescribing how, since that's implementation dependent. Any suggested text you'd prefer? -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI ___ DNSOP mailing

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: Message Digest for DNS Zones

2020-01-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
when trying to contact sub-zones, but falling back to the old zone when none of the "new" glue were working (aka, DoSed by changes). I could also see someone else make the opposite change. I could see some implementations deciding to stop service (it sure makes users notice faster).

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