Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-06.txt

2018-09-06 Thread Shane Kerr
All, On 2018-09-05 20:45, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Reverse DNS in IPv6 for Internet Service Providers

[DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
During a coversation about the Yeti project, Davey Song brought up an idea about using threshold signatures within DNSSEC. While he talked about it primarily for the root zone within the context of having multiple signers for it, I'm curious to know what operators think about the concept for other

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Hugo Salgado-Hernández
Hi Mukund. I talked about this to Davey in Montreal. There's an implementation in github[1] and presentations in OARC[2] and ICANN[3]. I'm not sure if its being used right now in a live zone, but certainly in labs and testing. There's been some interests with academic institutions, but don't think

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 02:34:12PM -0300, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > Hi Mukund. > I talked about this to Davey in Montreal. There's an implementation > in github[1] and presentations in OARC[2] and ICANN[3]. Aha so you're the original source :) > I'm not sure if its being used right now in a

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Hugo Salgado-Hernández
On 23:19 06/09, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 02:34:12PM -0300, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > > Hi Mukund. > > I talked about this to Davey in Montreal. There's an implementation > > in github[1] and presentations in OARC[2] and ICANN[3]. > > Aha so you're the original source

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Steve Crocker
How do you prevent compromise of the central service? Steve On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > On 23:19 06/09, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 02:34:12PM -0300, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > > > Hi Mukund. > > > I talked about this to Davey in

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Hugo Salgado-Hernández
On 15:08 06/09, Steve Crocker wrote: > How do you prevent compromise of the central service? > For the initial setup a physical ceremony is necessary, to check there's no extra subkeys and for secure transmision of them. But afterwards there's no need. Each node can check the final signature vali

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Steve Crocker
Let me flag a key point. You said this scheme will *detect* faked signatures. If you want to *prevent* faked signatures, you need additional structure. Steve On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > On 15:08 06/09, Steve Crocker wrote: > > How do you prevent compromise

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Hugo Salgado-Hernández
On 15:25 06/09, Steve Crocker wrote: > Let me flag a key point. You said this scheme will *detect* faked > signatures. If you want to *prevent* faked signatures, you need additional > structure. The orchestrator can detect faked signature pieces when is merging them, before going live. So for th

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Michael StJohns
On 9/6/2018 3:08 PM, Steve Crocker wrote: How do you prevent compromise of the central service? The "Dealer" is only doing confidential processing during the key generation phase.   Once that's done, you can do a wipe.   The subsequent signature operations are all distributed.  The combine o

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread Steve Crocker
My focus is on preventing the orchestrator from faking the signatures. Steve Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Hugo Salgado-Hernández wrote: > >> On 15:25 06/09, Steve Crocker wrote: >> Let me flag a key point. You said this scheme will *detect* faked >> signatures. If you wa

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-isp-ip6rdns-06.txt

2018-09-06 Thread George Michaelson
I've read it. I think its cooked. I think we should move to WGLC. I could quibble, but they'd be like tribbles. I think the author should add me to the acknowledgements for NOT forcing tribbles into the document. "This is a poor inference." needed to be used more often. -G On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at

[DNSOP] 答复: DNSSEC threshold signatures idea

2018-09-06 Thread 宋林健
Hi Mukund, Thank you for proposing here for comments and discussion. I would like to share more background on this if people are interested. Actually I was inspired by several sources. One is the Multisignature (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Multisignature ) concept from Bitcoin which help to reduc