Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Joel Halpern wrote: > I was talking about a reference to a document in a version > repository (a github repository). The comment had nothing to do > with the corporation "github". The issue is that the content of > the reference is not stable. As

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Benoit Claise wrote: > "Resolvers that do not respond to requests for .onion names by resolving them > according to [tor-rendezvous] MUST respond with NXDOMAIN.” Nice! Thanks! ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Just to be formally clear, the IESG has approved the document and our comments are just that - comments. The authors should (with sponsoring AD) figure out if they want to do anything with the comments. Jari signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

On 03/09/2015 18:05, Ted Lemon wrote: On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Joel Halpern > wrote: Which means that the real question is whether the references need to be understood to understand the registration. This judgment belongs to the IESG, not to me. I reviewe

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: > Which means that the real question is whether the references need to be > understood to understand the registration. This judgment belongs to the > IESG, not to me. I reviewed based on my understanding. If the assignment to > Tor of .onion

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

I was talking about a reference to a document in a version repository (a github repository). The comment had nothing to do with the corporation "github". The issue is that the content of the reference is not stable. As Tor evolves, the content of that document changes. For many purposes, tha

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi Joe! > On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:02 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > Pretty sure Joel was just referring to where the current documentation is > stored, not poking sticks at corporations. Just in order to fight potential confusion at any point where it might flare up, lest other folk jump into this discu

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy, recursive-to-authoritative

On 9/3/15, John R Levine wrote: >> Until the invention of quantum computers, we can protect data from >> being instantly available to most of these groups most of the time. > > Aw, come on. There are root servers in China. > I'm much more worried about the root servers run by people who also dep

Re: [DNSOP] Open Aggregated Datasets and stats on DNS (.NL ccTLD)

On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 03:32:12PM +0200, Giovane C. M. Moura wrote: > https://stats.sidnlabs.nl/ Quick question/observation about the TLSA query portion of the data-set. At least for SMTP, the query pattern is: ; sent to .nl authoritative servers when cache is cold ; Q: example.nl.

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

On 3 Sep 2015, at 10:47, hellekin wrote: On 09/03/2015 11:36 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: Actually, DownRef won't cut it as far as I can tell. The two documents are not stable. As a github reference, they are simply "the most current version of foo". Come on, GitHub is a corporation, it has N

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Come on, GitHub is a corporation, it has NOTHING to do with it. Git is a version control system. An RFC falls to me exactly in the definition of "the most current version of foo". When something needs to be amended, it is: that's what erratas and RFC updates and obsolescence are for. Please lea

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/03/2015 11:36 AM, Joel Halpern wrote: > Actually, DownRef won't cut it as far as I can tell. > > The two documents are not stable. As a github reference, > they are simply "the most current version of foo". > Come on, GitHub is a corporatio

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Actually, DownRef won't cut it as far as I can tell. The two documents are not stable. As a github reference, they are simply "the most current version of foo". What the onion folks said to me was that they were working on creating stable, referenceable documents that explained how this shoul

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy, recursive-to-authoritative

Until the invention of quantum computers, we can protect data from being instantly available to most of these groups most of the time. Aw, come on. There are root servers in China. My outline is as follows: everyone and every system should have security and privacy in the form of forward-secr

[DNSOP] Open Aggregated Datasets and stats on DNS (.NL ccTLD)

[We apologize for multiple copies.] * OPEN AGGREGATED DATASETS AND STATS ON DNS (.NL ccTLD) https://stats.sidnlabs.nl/ * SIDN Labs[1] is happy to announce our new stats and open

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi, Alec, On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: > Hello Spencer! > > I do have one observation that I haven't seen anyone else touch on: > > I thought .onion was tied closely to the TOR protocol, so I have no idea > why the second sentence in this paragraph is here, or what it mean

Re: [DNSOP] Jari Arkko's No Record on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi Jari, On 9/2/15 4:09 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Jari Arkko has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: No Record > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hello Spencer! > I do have one observation that I haven't seen anyone else touch on: > > I thought .onion was tied closely to the TOR protocol, so I have no idea > why the second sentence in this paragraph is here, or what it means, and > neither the string "TOR" nor the string "onion" appear in

Re: [DNSOP] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi Benoit! Just to amplify a point that Hellekin has already made to the DNSOP list: > If/Once [tor-rendezvous] is a normative reference, do we consider github > as stable enough? What if that link disappears? Mark Nottingham has an amended document - not submitted, but accruing amendments to

Re: [DNSOP] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi, -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/03/2015 06:00 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: If/Once [tor-rendezvous] is a normative reference, do we consider github as stable enough? What if that link disappears? Github is not involved at all in any of the references of the .onion draft.

Re: [DNSOP] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/03/2015 06:00 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > > If/Once [tor-rendezvous] is a normative reference, do we consider > github as stable enough? What if that link disappears? > Github is not involved at all in any of the references of the .onion draf

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Hi, Christian, On Sep 3, 2015 01:14, "Christian Grothoff" wrote: > > On 09/03/2015 04:54 AM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > > I thought .onion was tied closely to the TOR protocol, so I have no idea > > why the second sentence in this paragraph is here, or what it means, and > > neither the string "TOR

[DNSOP] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy, recursive-to-authoritative

On 9/2/15, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > John R Levine wrote: >> ... >> >> Tor is one approach to query security that seems to work pretty well >> give or take side channel leakage. Dunno if there are any others, but >> it is clearly a very hard problem, and not one we're going to solve >> any time soo