Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-30 Thread Andrew Campling
If you missed the update on the DNS4EU project yesterday with Roxana Radu, Associate Professor of Digital Technologies and Public Policy, Blavatnik School of Government, Oxford University, you can access the recording at https://419.consulting/encrypted-dns/f/dns4eu-update-january-2024-pt-2. An

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-29 Thread Anwar AbuAfifa via dns-wg
Yes, please. From: dns-wg On Behalf Of Andrew Campling Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 1:50 PM To: dns-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update Caution: This email originated from outside the Organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-29 Thread Andrew Campling
The second of our two sessions focusing on the DNS4EU project takes place this afternoon at 16:00 UTC (17:00 CET). Roxana Radu will join us this time with a policy analysis of the initiative, looking at its advantages and limitations. As background, Roxana is an Associate Professor of Digital

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-23 Thread Andrew Campling
If you missed the update on the DNS4EU project yesterday with Robert Šefr, CTO of Whalebone, you can access the recording at https://419.consulting/encrypted-dns/f/dns4eu-update-january-2024. Email me directly if you'd like a copy of Robert's slides. Andrew -- To unsubscribe from this mail

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-22 Thread Adam Burns
Hi Andrew, Many thanks for the open invite! I would like to join. Regards, Adam. On 22/01/2024 11:19, Andrew Campling wrote: Noting previous interest in the DNS4EU project within the DNS WG, you may be interested to know that Robert Šefr, CTO of Whalebone, will be joining my weekly DNS call

[dns-wg] DNS4EU Update

2024-01-22 Thread Andrew Campling
Noting previous interest in the DNS4EU project within the DNS WG, you may be interested to know that Robert Šefr, CTO of Whalebone, will be joining my weekly DNS call at 16:00 UTC today to give an update on the project. If you'd like to join, please email me directly and I'll send you an invita

[dns-wg] DNS4EU Webinar, 31-01-2024

2024-01-11 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
FYI Original Message Subject: DNS4EU Webinar with Whalebone Hereby we would like to invite you to our webinar on the DNS4EU project that is organized in cooperation with the Czech company Whalebone. The webinar is also open for your Members, so do not hesitate to share it in

[dns-wg] DNS4EU

2022-04-19 Thread Andrew Campling
Tomorrow is the revised deadline for responses to the European Commission's DNS4EU Call for Proposals. I don't have the impression that there will be a large number of responses from the industry, does anyone have a different perspective? Andrew -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, ge

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU community comment draft proposal

2022-02-06 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 10:54:31AM +0100, Joao Luis Silva Damas wrote a message of 232 lines which said: > RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning > Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access > providers. We believe it should stay that way. I f

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU community comment draft proposal

2022-02-06 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 04/02/2022 11.30, Petr Špaček wrote: it's hard to see how add more money on that pile would be of any help Well, of course the scale is off charts compared to the grant. If you look at the 14M euro and divide it by the number of ISP subscribers in the EU, it will be like a few cents.  And

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU community comment draft proposal

2022-02-04 Thread Petr Špaček
On 04. 02. 22 10:54, Joao Luis Silva Damas wrote: 3. RIPE Community believes that the responsibility of well-functioning Internet access including the DNS resolution is with the access providers. We believe it should stay that way. 4. We understand that to be able to minimise

[dns-wg] DNS4EU community comment draft proposal

2022-02-04 Thread Joao Luis Silva Damas
Good morning, Some of you may have already seen this in the cooperation wg mailing list but then again, some may not, so here it goes. We also encourage anyone with opinions on the matter to express them and/or contribute to the statement Regards Joao Damas For the dns-wg chairs ===

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Open House: summary and recording

2022-02-02 Thread Warren Kumari
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ > > --- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > *From: *dns-wg on behalf of Ch

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Open House: summary and recording

2022-02-02 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via dns-wg
.net Subject: [dns-wg] DNS4EU Open House: summary and recording [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Dear colleagues, Thank you to all who joined for the RIPE NCC Open House discussion of DNS4EU on Monday, 31 January. We have posted a summary of

[dns-wg] DNS4EU Open House: summary and recording

2022-02-02 Thread Chris Buckridge
Dear colleagues, Thank you to all who joined for the RIPE NCC Open House discussion of DNS4EU on Monday, 31 January. We have posted a summary of some key points and links to the video archive here: https://labs.ripe.net/author/chrisb/dns4eu-ripe-ncc-open-house-discussion/ Cheers Chris —— Chr

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-21 Thread Jørgen Hovland ☁️
> What am I missing?The cost of making dnsmasq/, or , dns client recursive DoT/DoH/DoQ capable, which means dropping the need of any external recursive name server like DNS4U, is a couple of million euro funded by EU to create DNS4U, which then in turn will be eradicated by a single software updat

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-19 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 19/01/2022 13:33, Hank Nussbacher wrote: How the media sees DNS4EU: https://therecord.media/eu-wants-to-build-its-own-dns-infrastructure-with-built-in-filtering-capabilities/ -Hank On 18/01/2022 12:51, Ana Sen wrote: I  left the webinar more confused than before it started. In the actual

[dns-wg] DNS4EU

2022-01-19 Thread Andrew Campling
You may be aware that the European Commission hosted an information day for DNS4EU (and a range of other projects) earlier today. If you're interested in learning more about the call for proposals for the new resolver, I've posted a short update at https://419.consulting/encrypted-dns/f/dns4eu-

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-19 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 18/01/2022 12:51, Ana Sen wrote: I  left the webinar more confused than before it started. In the actual call it states "Costs for operating the infrastructure during its lifetime will be excluded under the call." and later "Proposals should also define the post-project ownership of the in

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-18 Thread Ana Sen
just an update that tomorrow the EU Commission will organise an Info Day (like a stakeholder workshop) to cover all the open CEF2 calls for proposals to respond to any questions interested parties might have. Cloud federation and DNS will be third on the agenda. The info day will run from 9 AM to 4

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread David Conrad
Randy, On Jan 12, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > how does this avoid creating a nice well-defined target for: IP > shutdowns, censorship, saving children from abuse, terrorism, …? I believe that’s covered in section 12 of the solicitation (https://hadea.ec.europa.eu/calls-proposals/equ

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Randy Bush
since no one else has said it this time around the tree tracking the woozle, ... how does this avoid creating a nice well-defined target for: IP shutdowns, censorship, saving children from abuse, terrorism, ...? randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Jim Reid
> On 12 Jan 2022, at 17:35, Ana Sen wrote: > > Would anybody know which stakeholders have the capacity to apply for this > call? I can think of several. But I won’t identify them by name. The obvious candidates are any of the larger (anycast) DNS providers, TLD registries, major registrars

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Jim Reid
> On 12 Jan 2022, at 17:09, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > Does it mean that the machines will not be on AWS or other US hoster? Stephane, that’s really a question for the EU officials who are in charge of the CFP. FWIW I think using AWS or whatever outside the EU for part of the resolver

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Ana Sen
and that the data used will not be stored in Gcloud, AWS etc. Interesting question, if you mean even studies or equipment used for the development of the infrastructure shall not rely on non-EU CSPs, the text specifies that projects must demonstrate 'that the network technologies and equipment (in

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 06:01:38PM +0100, Ana Sen wrote a message of 84 lines which said: > This aspect is also reflected in the call document, which foresees > an assessment of suppliers to strictly exclude non-EU entities, > i.e. non-EU entities are not eligible for this call. Yes, I notice

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Ana Sen
Paper mentioned above: Consolidation in the DNS resolver market – how much, how fast, how dangerous? by Roxana Radu and Michael Hausding On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 6:01 PM Ana Sen wrote: > J

[dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Ana Sen
Just to add some background that might betray some of the intent of this initiative. in the first mention of the DNS4EU in the Cybersecurity Strategy published in Dec 2020 a motivation for an EU based resolver to reduce dependencies on - note- a handful of non-EU companies, is marked by a footnote

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2022-01-12 Thread Chris Buckridge
Hi all, A further follow-up. The Commission today published the following Call for Proposals: https://hadea.ec.europa.eu/calls-proposals/equipping-backbone-networks-high-performance-and-secure-dns-resolution-infrastructures-works_en (hat tip to Anastasia Sendrea, who I don’t think is currently

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-21 Thread David Conrad
Andrew, On Dec 20, 2021, at 3:28 AM, Andrew Campling wrote: > The use of the pejorative term "lying" resolver is unhelpful in this context. > It is important to acknowledge that the vast majority of Internet users are > not experts; indeed most are unaware of either the purpose or the existen

[dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-20 Thread Andrew Campling
I've noted various comments about the EU's DNS4EU initiative on the list over the last week or so. If anyone is interested in more detail and missed the related discussion on our weekly call a few weeks back, you can find the recording at https://419.consulting/encrypted-dns/f/dns4eu. > On

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-18 Thread Randy Bush
> Even if lies are initially limited to malware and C&C, I have no doubt > that the IP people (IP not being the Internet Protocol) will, as soon > as they discover DNS4EU, ask for censorship and they are a very > powerful lobby. If DNS4EU yields to their requirments, then the > project is doomed.

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-18 Thread Taras Heichenko
In addition to said by Stephane Google made the technical solution that works for people and attracts them. Till now DNS4EU looks like an administrative initiative without a clearly defined perspective. If someone would make a technical solution in the EU and would offer it, and the solution woul

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-17 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 09:03:24AM -0800, David Conrad wrote a message of 84 lines which said: > Since they’re talking about a “federated” service, I suspect ISPs > who want to play by the EC’s rules will be considered a part of > DNS4EU. Interesting. I thought that "federated" meant either a

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-17 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:43:12AM +, Geoff Huston wrote a message of 67 lines which said: > The problem for everyone else is the incursion of a US private > entity into the heart of the Internet’s name resolution > infrastructure. > > Over the past 16 months the number of EU users who p

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Carsten Schiefner
As highly insightful as always, Geoff - thanks! On 17.12.2021 02:43, Geoff Huston wrote: > > >> On 16 Dec 2021, at 7:07 pm, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 08:59:42AM +0100, >> Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote >> a message of 179 lines which said: >> >>> I was wondering

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Geoff Huston
> On 16 Dec 2021, at 8:10 pm, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> > Or simply some politician traveled to Canada and said to his aide "Why can't > we do that as well?" > https://www.cira.ca/cybersecurity-services/canadian-shield most public sector work is derivative. Geoff -- To unsubscribe from thi

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Geoff Huston
> On 16 Dec 2021, at 7:07 pm, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 08:59:42AM +0100, > Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote > a message of 179 lines which said: > >> I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the resolvers users >> currently rely on (e.g. provided by their ISP

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via dns-wg
.net Subject: Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Moritz, On Dec 15, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote: >> offering European citizens and private and public organizations the capacity >> to access the

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread David Conrad
Moritz, On Dec 15, 2021, at 11:59 PM, Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote: >> offering European citizens and private and public organizations the capacity >> to access the web with a high-quality and free service > I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the resolvers users currently > rely on

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Niall O'Reilly
On 16 Dec 2021, at 8:07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > So, another possible response: in Brussels, they see > that some users move away from the IAP resolver to a public resolver, or (as may be seen in the suburbs of Dublin) a (locally) significant ISP configures their CPE devices to use 8.8.8.8 a

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Erwin Hoffmann
Hi Chris (and everybody), Am Donnerstag, dem 16.12.2021 um 10:38 +0100 schrieb Chris Buckridge: > * The ongoing Quad9 legal developments in Germany may have also kept > the issue front of mind… > https://www.quad9.net/news/press/german-court-rules-against/ And this particular court - the 'Land

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Chris Buckridge
> On 16 Dec 2021, at 10:10, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On 16/12/2021 10:07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 08:59:42AM +0100, >> Moritz Müller via dns-wg >> >> wrote >> a message of 179 lines which said: >> >> >>> I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the reso

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 16/12/2021 10:07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 08:59:42AM +0100, Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote a message of 179 lines which said: I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the resolvers users currently rely on (e.g.

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 08:59:42AM +0100, Moritz Müller via dns-wg wrote a message of 179 lines which said: > I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the resolvers users > currently rely on (e.g. provided by their ISP) provide > “low-quality”? Are there any studies about this? One possi

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-16 Thread Moritz Müller via dns-wg
Thank you Chris. > offering European citizens and private and public organizations the capacity > to access the web with a high-quality and free service I was wondering: Why does the EC believe that the resolvers users currently rely on (e.g. provided by their ISP) provide “low-quality”? Are t

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-15 Thread Carsten Schiefner
Thanks, Chris! On 15.12.2021 12:30, Chris Buckridge wrote: > Hi Hank, all, > > Apologies for the delay here - was hoping to have some more substantial > information, but in the absence of that, our colleagues at the European > Commission have been able to share the content of the four slides th

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-15 Thread Jim Reid
> On 15 Dec 2021, at 11:30, Chris Buckridge wrote: > > Apologies for the delay here - was hoping to have some more substantial > information, but in the absence of that, our colleagues at the European > Commission have been able to share the content of the four slides that they > delivered a

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-12-15 Thread Chris Buckridge
Hi Hank, all, Apologies for the delay here - was hoping to have some more substantial information, but in the absence of that, our colleagues at the European Commission have been able to share the content of the four slides that they delivered at last month’s HLIG meeting. The slides were as f

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Niall O'Reilly
[RIPE Vice-Chair hat OFF] On 15 Nov 2021, at 16:44, Ralf Weber wrote: I can see no downside on that. Canadian people now use a in country provider instead of the default US based provider. As said the bad idea was setting a default. That at least is a better default for Canadians. Besides,

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 15 Nov 2021, at 7:57, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Political pressure on Mozilla so that they use by default the DoH > resolver of DNS4EU? It is not "forcing" (users can still disable it) > but it is close. It was Mozilla that came up with the bad idea of using a default DoH resolver ins

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Denis Fondras - Liopen
Le Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 12:57:06PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer a écrit : > Political pressure on Mozilla so that they use by default the DoH > resolver of DNS4EU? It is not "forcing" (users can still disable it) > but it is close. > The marketshare of Mozilla is so low today that it will be a drop

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via dns-wg
Stephane Thanks – I hadn’t thought of that. I was still thinking along the lines of them trying to force ISPs to implement. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Di

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 11:53:20AM +, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via dns-wg wrote a message of 119 lines which said: > I’d *love* to know how they expect to force anyone to use a specific > DNS resolver. Political pressure on Mozilla so that they use by default the DoH resolver of DNS4EU

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via dns-wg
I’d *love* to know how they expect to force anyone to use a specific DNS resolver. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Carsten Schiefner
ians asking for censorship of [current political issue in their country]. Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU? Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:21:59 +0100 From: Nils Wisiol To: Carsten Schiefner , Ulrich Wisser CC: dns-wg@ripe.net On Wed, 2021-11-10 at 16:08 +0100, Carst

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-15 Thread Carsten Schiefner
On 11.11.2021 12:36, Andrea Kurucsó wrote: > Hi, > > Please unsubsribe me...I keep getting a lot of emails but I have been > not involved in this work for ages nowI try to unsubscribe but I > keep getting email. > It is getting very annoyin

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-11 Thread Andrea Kurucsó
gt; > Andrew > > -Original Message- > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 11:15:16 +0100 > From: Chris Buckridge > To: Hank Nussbacher > Cc: dns-wg@ripe.net > Subject: Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU? > Message-ID: <8e01adb6-5af2-4edb-bb89-bea4e4c31...@ripe.net> > Content-Type: t

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-11 Thread Andrew Campling
Chris Buckridge To: Hank Nussbacher Cc: dns-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU? Message-ID: <8e01adb6-5af2-4edb-bb89-bea4e4c31...@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Hank, all, A number of us from the RIPE NCC (and others from the RIPE community) were in

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-11 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 08:51:41PM +0100, Erwin Hoffmann wrote a message of 38 lines which said: > Well, I do not expect to convince people to step into this solution > immediately, but for restricted networks (let's say including IoT > devices) it might be a useful alternative. This is a diff

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-11 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 08:01:46AM +0200, Taras Heichenko wrote a message of 27 lines which said: > BTW, did I get right that DNS4EU does not offer protection from this > issue. It just propose to give this info into another hands? May be but, at this stage, it is too early to tell (remember,

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-11 Thread Chris Buckridge
Hi Hank, all, A number of us from the RIPE NCC (and others from the RIPE community) were in yesterday’s HLIG meeting. There was a presentation on DNS4EU, and I’m trying to track down those slides and whether they’ll be made public - at this point, there’s nothing on the site, but we’ll certain

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 08/11/2021 15:54, Chris Buckridge wrote: Anyone here attend yesterday's HLIG meeting and can share a presentation or meeting notes? Thanks, Hank Hi Hank, all, I don’t have a lot that I can add to what Nick and Step

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Taras Heichenko
> On 10 Nov 2021, at 17:34, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 04:24:16PM +0100, > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote > a message of 13 lines which said: > >> The data is not sensitive (the DNS is public), not the fact that you >> request it. > > Correct sentence: the data is no

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Randy Bush
>> Are we sure that 'it' (definition...) will stop at "malware and >> pishing"? > > We can be reasonably sure it will not. If it is actually used, we can > expect IP (not Internet Protocol) lawyers asking for a censorship of > sci-hub.se and politicians asking for censorship of [current political

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Erwin Hoffmann
Salut Stephane, Am Mittwoch, dem 10.11.2021 um 16:34 +0100 schrieb Stephane Bortzmeyer: > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 04:24:16PM +0100, >  Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote >  a message of 13 lines which said: > > > The data is not sensitive (the DNS is public), not the fact that you > > request it. > >

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 04:24:16PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > The data is not sensitive (the DNS is public), not the fact that you > request it. Correct sentence: the data is not sensitive (the DNS is public), but the fact that you request it *is* sen

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Taras Heichenko
> On 10 Nov 2021, at 17:24, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:05:53PM +0200, > Taras Heichenko wrote > a message of 60 lines which said: > >> I am not sure that I understand how a resolver can follow >> GDPR. WHOIS, RDAP – ok, these services really may disclose some

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 03:58:40PM +0100, Ulrich Wisser via dns-wg wrote a message of 40 lines which said: > DNS4EU is intended to provide DNS filtering of malware and pishing. Most malware and phishing pages that are reported to us, as a registry, are not in "bad" domains but under a legitim

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 05:05:53PM +0200, Taras Heichenko wrote a message of 60 lines which said: > I am not sure that I understand how a resolver can follow > GDPR. WHOIS, RDAP – ok, these services really may disclose some > sensitive information. How does a resolver can break GDPR? You shou

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 04:08:20PM +0100, Carsten Schiefner wrote a message of 7 lines which said: > Are we sure that 'it' (definition...) will stop at "malware and > pishing"? We can be reasonably sure it will not. If it is actually used, we can expect IP (not Internet Protocol) lawyers aski

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Nils Wisiol
On Wed, 2021-11-10 at 16:08 +0100, Carsten Schiefner wrote: > On 10.11.2021 15:58, Ulrich Wisser via dns-wg wrote: > > Well, the general idea is that the resolver provides a reliable > > service that strictly follows GDPR. > > Current large open resolvers fall under the US Cloud Act with no > > pri

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Carsten Schiefner
On 10.11.2021 15:58, Ulrich Wisser via dns-wg wrote: > Well, the general idea is that the resolver provides a reliable service that > strictly follows GDPR. > Current large open resolvers fall under the US Cloud Act with no privacy for > non US citizens. > > DNS4EU is intended to provide DNS fil

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Taras Heichenko
> On 10 Nov 2021, at 16:58, Ulrich Wisser via dns-wg wrote: > > Well, the general idea is that the resolver provides a reliable service that > strictly follows GDPR. I am not sure that I understand how a resolver can follow GDPR. WHOIS, RDAP – ok, these services really may disclose some sen

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Ulrich Wisser via dns-wg
Well, the general idea is that the resolver provides a reliable service that strictly follows GDPR. Current large open resolvers fall under the US Cloud Act with no privacy for non US citizens. DNS4EU is intended to provide DNS filtering of malware and pishing. But with the intention of actuall

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Carsten Schiefner
On 08.11.2021 14:15, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 07:12:38AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote a message of 34 lines which said: Does anyone have further insight into the European initiative known as DNS4EU? There is very little actual information published on th

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-10 Thread Carsten Schiefner
Please do, Chris. Thanks! On 08.11.2021 14:54, Chris Buckridge wrote: [...], but minutes are published publicly, and the RIPE NCC can report back to this working group if there are any updates of note.

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-08 Thread Chris Buckridge
Hi Hank, all, I don’t have a lot that I can add to what Nick and Stephane have already posted. But I will note that the European Commission has scheduled one of the regular meetings of its High Level Group on Internet Governance (HLIG) for this Wednesday; portions of those meeting agendas are g

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-08 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 07:12:38AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote a message of 34 lines which said: >Does anyone have further insight into the European initiative >known as DNS4EU? There is very little actual information published on this project. According to some rumors, it would be

Re: [dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
Hank Nussbacher wrote on 08/11/2021 05:12: Does anyone have further insight into the European initiative known as DNS4EU? seems to be a dns resolver service. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52021JC0014&rid=3 Not sure what value this will bring to humanity. Ni

[dns-wg] DNS4EU?

2021-11-07 Thread Hank Nussbacher
Does anyone have further insight into the European initiative known as DNS4EU? Quoting CENTR: https://www.centr.org/news/eu-updates/june2021.html "On 10 June, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the EU Cybersecurity Strategy, calling for inte