Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: > > > > Thoughts? Volunteers? > > > > > > I a

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 01:17:58AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: [cut] > > Something way over my head. > > Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? > > Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? > > I think you're confusing the Linux kernel with GNU/Linux distributions. > > You migh

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 09:53:06, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 01:17:58AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > [cut] > > > > Something way over my head. > > > Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? > > > Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? > > > > I think you're

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: > Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read > through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... There were long standing problems with openssl -- the source code was fully avai

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... There were long standing problems

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 11:52:41PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi again, > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:49, info at smallinnovations dot nl escribió: > > I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what > > other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you > > install

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 06:06:12PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: > > Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read > > through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified...

Re: [DNG] is there a problem with package signing?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:10:41PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > During and after my upgade to ascii, > when I try to install packages > I consistently get messages like > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! > lighttpd > Install these packages without verification? [y/N]

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 01:53 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unju

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Katola. KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > > On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > > > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 02:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Hi Katola. KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Jimmy, El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 02:50:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 01:53 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Literall

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:00:22AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > > This discussion seems bordering on conspiracy theories. Those claim that > > something might be true and sow fear, uncertainty and doubt. Some parts > > of conspiracy theories may turn out to have been true, like for ex

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:12:12PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. > > How can I find out what's attached to this port? > $ netstat -lntpu $ man netstat HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread karl
Adam Borowski: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:12:12PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. > > > > How can I find out what's attached to this port? > > man ss > > ss -lp46 Nice, didn't know about the ss command. You can also use net

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 02:50:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:53 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally any

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 03:22 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:00:22AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] This discussion seems bordering on conspiracy theories. Those claim that something might be true and sow fear, uncertainty and doubt. Some parts of conspiracy theories may turn out to h

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. > Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Please, share some relevant links then, and let us understand what you are talking about.

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:53:01AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > > > > uh?!? o_O > > > > I guess we need to calm down a bit here? Martin expressed his > > view. You Jimmy expressed yours, and nobody asked you to get/stay out > > of the way. I presume you should give to the opinions o

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:42:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > There are lots of people out there who understand a lot more about the > > Linux kernel than many of us here. I simply decided to trust them, > > collectively, because I know that nobody can

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Please, share some relevant links then, and let us und

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 13:02:23, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > what I know is out there for all to read. So give us some URLs to what you have already found. Or are you just trying to waste our time? Antony. -- The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the time,

[DNG] dnsmasq: junk found in command line

2018-07-09 Thread hal
Hi, I am having a problem starting dnsmasq after latest update to my devuan VM. The error is when trying to start the init script: dnsmasq: junk found in command line I think I might be on old Devuan version[1] because /etc/issue says "1". Maybe this is the problem but I see a directory added/

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 04:01 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:42:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: There are lots of people out there who understand a lot more about the Linux kernel than many of us here. I simply decided to trust them, collectively, b

[DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:42:40 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your > kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Well how about shouting: YOU ARE A TROLL! Or is you excuse for your stream of crap a total inability to hav

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:53:01, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:22 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > I guess we need to calm down a bit here? Martin expressed his > > view. You Jimmy expressed yours, and nobody asked you to get/stay out > > of the way. I presume you should give to the opinio

Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 04:09 AM, terryc wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:42:40 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Well how about shouting: YOU ARE A TROLL! Or is you excuse for your st

[DNG] Troll alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:53:01 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > You've been showing contempt and disrespect for me since my first > post in this group, never helpful. No, I'm the guy that is doing that. Every one else is being polite. > Why do you want to stand in the > way of people in this group lo

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Rowland Penny
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:02:23 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> > >> > >> Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check > >> your kernel. Also how you respo

Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 13:13:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I was told this group has enemies, Well, at least we've now clearly identified one of them. > bye, bye. Thank $deity for that. Antony. -- Pavlov is in the pub enjoying a pint. The barman rings for last orders, and Pavlov jumps up ex

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 04:02:23AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your > > > kernel. > > >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:02:23 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > >> > >> > >> Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check > >> your kernel. Also how you res

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 12:15:27PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: [cut] > > Jimmy, please either put up or shut up. > If there are 'backdoors' in the kernel code, tells us where they are, > if you cannot or will not, just shut up. > Again, please, let's do our best to keep this discussion civilise

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:09:14 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people from > taking a interest an their distros security and you are. No more > reply's to you unless you show a interest in helping find malware in > this distro. 1: I already

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 09:30:48PM +1000, terryc wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:09:14 -0700 > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people from > > taking a interest an their distros security and you are. No more > > reply's to you unless you show

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Rowland Penny
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:27:03 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 12:15:27PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Jimmy, please either put up or shut up. > > If there are 'backdoors' in the kernel code, tells us where they > > are, if you cannot or will not, just shut up. >

Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:19:40 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > Thank $deity for that. Whoever He or She is, should not we accord Him or Her the civility of an upper-wase variable name as $DEITY ? ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- A good question is never answered. It is

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:34:44 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 09:30:48PM +1000, terryc wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 04:09:14 -0700 > > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > > There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people > > > from taking a interest an their distros sec

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jim Jackson
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your > > > kernel. > > > Also how you respo

[DNG] He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:06:39 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > What you can do is look for malware, do some investigative > > research, just educate yourself, what I know is out there for all > > to read.

Re: [DNG] [BACK ON LIST] [OFFLIST] Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Rowland Penny
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:16:01 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 12:55:39PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:27:03 +0200 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 12:15:27PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > > > > Jimmy, p

Re: [DNG] dnsmasq: junk found in command line

2018-07-09 Thread Irrwahn
hal wrote on 09.07.2018 13:08: > Hi, > I am having a problem starting dnsmasq after latest update to my devuan VM. > The error is when trying to start the init script: > >dnsmasq: junk found in command line > > I think I might be on old Devuan version[1] because /etc/issue says "1". Maybe > t

Re: [DNG] [BACK ON LIST] [OFFLIST] Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:49:44 +0100 Rowland Penny wrote: > Yes, it would be nice, but in the meantime, I think 'Jimmy' should > have his posts moderated. AOL!, which means +1 for the kiddies who don't know the historical reference. I agree entirely with Rowland's post. Even down the pub(bar) with

[DNG] DSA Ascii July9

2018-07-09 Thread leloft
Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:57:52 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 4241-1] libsoup2.4 security update 2.56.0-2+deb9u2 Confirmed asci-security, ascii-proposed-updates Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:34:23 +0200 [SECURITY] [DSA 4240-1] php7.0 security update 7.0.30-0+deb9u1 Confirmed asci-security, ascii-proposed-updates Tue, 3 Ju

[DNG] Weird jessie to ascii upgrade issue (WAS: Re: who's tying up my ptr 80

2018-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:12:12PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I can't start lighttpd because something is already bound to port 80. > > How can I find out what's attached to this port? No one was on port 80. Startup of lighttpd failed for an even stranger reason: /etc/lighttpd/conf-enabled:

[DNG] probably SOLVED: is there a problem with package signing?

2018-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 11:27:16AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:10:41PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > During and after my upgade to ascii, > > when I try to install packages > > I consistently get messages like > > > > WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticate

Re: [DNG] He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jim Jackson
Dear Terry, Oh dear, just because I have the same initials and first name :-( It really is embarrasing. I apologise for not editing properly I should have deleted an extra attribution line in my reply, but like you I was/am hacked off with Jimmy whatsits ramblings. I was accusing HIM of being

Re: [DNG] nonexistent partition as swap drive.

2018-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:36:19PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:46:45PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > update-initramfs sets a nonexistent disk as a swap device. > > Check /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume. One line only: RESUME=/dev/hdc1 Looks like it's been there s

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 at 14:24:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/08/2018 02:25 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> Good sources > > > > Who / where? > >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 18:06:12 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: >> Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read >> through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... > > T

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 16:10:02, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Actually the Linux kernel is the most scrutinized and secure piece of > software that's around. Interesting claim. Citation/s? Antony. -- Don't procrastinate - put it off until tomorrow.

[DNG] Woops, apologies all roudns Re: He's Baaaack! Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:50:55 +0100 (BST) Jim Jackson wrote: > Dear Terry, > > Oh dear, just because I have the same initials and first name :-( > It really is embarrasing. Woops, part of brain brain did twigg it was just Jim, but rest of it didn't follow to further check. My apologies for not c

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:03:11 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message <20180709090311.dfizki4zlq6ru...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 11:52:41PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:49, info at smallinnovations dot nl escribió: > > > I am not a kernel guy

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 16:15:20 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Monday 09 July 2018 at 16:10:02, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> Actually the Linux kernel is the most scrutinized and secure piece of >> software that's around. > > Interesting claim. > > Citation/s? https://www.linuxfoundation.org/

Re: [DNG] probably SOLVED: is there a problem with package signing?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:45:36 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > As far as I know, I am now using only devun repositories. I was of > course using Debian repositories on this system before I upgraded to > Devuan. > > Yesterday I noticed some extraneous filed in etc/apt: > > sources.list.etch64 > sou

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/09/2018 04:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 04:02:23AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also

[DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > "Since the beginning of the git era (the 2.6.11 release in 2005), a > total of 15,637 developers have contributed to the Linux kernel; > those developers worked for a minimum of 1,513 companies." > > And this lists only those develop

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 04:15:20PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Monday 09 July 2018 at 16:10:02, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > Actually the Linux kernel is the most scrutinized and secure piece of > > software that's around. > > Interesting claim. > > Citation/s? > This is not a definitiv

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Dave Turner
On 09/07/18 15:59, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 04:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 04:02:23AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Well some of those kernel experts are s

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 07:59:11 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > KatolaZ, I came looking for help. Reading a linux kernel requires > knowledge of software engineering, I don't have that knowledge or > experience, even if I open kernel source I would have no idea what I > was looking at. I just want to

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 07:59:11AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] > > > [PDF]D-Bus in the Kernel - LinuxCon 2014, Tokyo, Japan > > https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/linuxconjapan2014.pdf > > > GitHub - "dbus-like" code for the Linux kernel > https://github.co

[DNG] simple-netaid-gtk is comming soon

2018-07-09 Thread Edward Bartolo
Aitor, aitor whose netaid is going to be preferred? What did you do to the 'infamous' SUID backend? Did you add functions to it? Have you completely revamped it with completely new code and a different algorithms? I say 'Sorry' to Devuan for being absent almost regularly but at the moment I am ind

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:06:55 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 06:06:12PM +1000, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > > > On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread marc
Hello Jimmy > Today Linux is pretty much owned by the NSA, including it's developers, not > many educated eyes out there anymore to spot and report malware. Things have > changed. So there is a nice poster around with a grumpy cat saying "The NSA broke my internet, so I am building a GNU one". I

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > This is not a definitive citation, but looks like a concrete starting > point for a rational discussion: > > https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2016/10/18/security-bug-lifetime/ Kees Cook has always done really good work. > TL;DR: The article shows tha

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting k...@aspodata.se (k...@aspodata.se): > Nice, didn't know about the ss command. You can also use > netstat -tulp > lsof -i :80 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ (My

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:53:01 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:22 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > I guess we need to calm down a bit here? Martin expressed his > > view. You Jimmy expressed yours, and nobody asked you to get/stay > > out of the way. I presume you should give to the opinions of

Re: [DNG] Weird jessie to ascii upgrade issue (WAS: Re: who's tying up my ptr 80

2018-07-09 Thread Stefan Krusche
Am Montag, 9. Juli 2018 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 09:12:12PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > The link 05-auth.conf doesn't have the "../" in it, and so points nowhere. > > Fixing this and doing /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart got the web server > working. Now I don't remember ever m

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Jimmy Johnson - 09.07.18, 12:00: > On 07/09/2018 02:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi Katola. > > > > KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > >> On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 08-07-18 23:32,

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 01:12:58AM +1000, terryc wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 > Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > > "Since the beginning of the git era (the 2.6.11 release in 2005), a > > total of 15,637 developers have contributed to the Linux kernel; > > those developers worked for a

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Harald Arnesen
Rick Moen [2018-07-09 21:01]: > 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only commands that are no better? -- Hilsen

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 22:10:03, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 01:12:58AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > "Since the beginning of the git era (the 2.6.11 release in 2005), a > > > total of 15,637 developers have contribute

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 22:53:19, Fungal-net wrote: > On July 9, 2018 11:35 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > Quite a number of security holes have been discovered in versions of MS > > Windows over the years, and I'm pretty certain that the vast majority > > were discovered by people with n

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:35:37 +0200, Antony wrote in message <201807092235.37608.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Monday 09 July 2018 at 22:10:03, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 01:12:58AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 Alessandro Selli w

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread hal
Harald Arnesen wrote on 07/09/2018 03:23 PM: > Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only > commands that are no better? Can we blame SCO or Microsoft somehow? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/c

Re: [DNG] dnsmasq: junk found in command line

2018-07-09 Thread hal
Irrwahn wrote on 07/09/2018 07:58 AM: > DNSMASQ_OPTS="$DNSMASQ_OPTS `mawk -- '{ printf " > --trust-anchor=.,%d,%d,%d,%s", $5, $6, $7, $8 }' $ROOT_DS`" A purge/install did no better so the line above indeed fixed it. # dnsmasq --version Dnsmasq version 2.72 Copyright (c) 2000-2014 Simon Kel

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com): > Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only > commands that are no better? At your convenience look up how many years the net-tools codebase has been orphaned. Can't remember, but it's many.[1] There is also functionality supp

Re: [DNG] nonexistent partition as swap drive.

2018-07-09 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 09:55:53AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > One line only: RESUME=/dev/hdc1 > > Looks like it's been there since at lease May 16, 2006. > I presume I can just delete that file entirely? > This machine never gets powered down with intent to resume instead of > to restart from s

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 15:16:27 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Jimmy, you've just won a free procmail trip to /dev/null on my > computer. Isn't this a stylish way to put it? :-) Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyn

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:23:04 +0200 Harald Arnesen ha scritto: > Rick Moen [2018-07-09 21:01]: > > > 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> > > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ > > > > Why, oh why repla

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 at 17:35:01 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/07/2018 05:03 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 >> Jimmy Johnson wrote: >> >>> Good sources tell me we need our own kernel, >> >>Why? What's wrong with the available ones? > > > Devua

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 20:47:01 +0200 marc wrote: > Hello Jimmy > > > Today Linux is pretty much owned by the NSA, including it's developers, > > not many educated eyes out there anymore to spot and report malware. > > Things have changed. > > So there is a nice poster around with a grumpy cat

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 16:15:20 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: [...] Oh my, who are these guys? Received: from pikantus.localnet (cable-78-34-34-47.netcologne.de [78.34.34.47]) by formal.dehy.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id w69EFPKD030503 https://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 12:01:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting k...@aspodata.se (k...@aspodata.se): > > > Nice, didn't know about the ss command. You can also use > > netstat -tulp > > lsof -i :80 > > 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread arne
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:03:11 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 11:52:41PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:49, info at smallinnovations dot nl escribió: > > > I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but > > > what other parts

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread arne
> I think Devuan devs have more important things to do that looking > for a pin in a haystack. > > Alessandro I totally agree. Hard to find that pin. And once found how to get rid of it? Will authorities allow the removal? Think not. John ___

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:02:52 +0200, arne wrote in message <20180710050252.3494d2af@fx4100>: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:03:11 +0200 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 11:52:41PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:49, info at smallinnovations dot

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel? Foreign countries began to develop their own kernels

2018-07-09 Thread arne
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Good sources tell me we need our own kernel, do we have one? > Thanks. > > > This last week I've been testing Slackware and I see Patrick is > dealing with systemd too, Slackware 14.2 is on what seems to be a > ASCII system, except ASCII

[DNG] data reliability (was: Home server replacement hardware suggestions?)

2018-07-09 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 05:09:36 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Do not use the words "USB" and "disk" together, please -- in any > context that involves basic reliability, and, especially, not > corrupting data. I understand there are problems with USB sticks, but what's wrong with that connection for

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread terryc
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:17:07 +0200 arne wrote: > > I think Devuan devs have more important things to do that looking > > for a pin in a haystack. > > > > > Alessandro > > I totally agree. > > Hard to find that pin. Errr, try opening your eyes. Since the floppies came out, there have bee

Re: [DNG] Home server replacement hardware suggestions?

2018-07-09 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 2018-06-25 08:03 AM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: I have an old desktop at home running Devuan ascii for some basic server/file storage functions. Unfortunately the disk sounds like it's almost dead so I took a clonezilla backup and now want to find some replacement hardware. Looking to get

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 05:02:52AM +0200, arne wrote: [cut] > > Hi, > > I don't remind which kernel. > but is was in the press for sure: > USA authorities were given a backdoor > in the kernel. > Could have been 2.6 > For security, fighting criminals whats however. > > There was absolutely no

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Lars Noodén
On 07/09/2018 11:23 PM, Harald Arnesen wrote: > Rick Moen [2018-07-09 21:01]: > >> 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> >> https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ > > Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

2018-07-09 Thread Harald Arnesen
Rick Moen [2018-07-10 00:31]: > Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com): > >> Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only >> commands that are no better? > > At your convenience look up how many years the net-tools codebase has > been orphaned. Can't remember, but it's