On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 06:01:58PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
> projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
> outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider
> instead deploying i
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
KatolaZ wrote:
> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
Why not?
I do think a more modern solution would be a distributed p2p repository
based on a keychain, but a classic, centra
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
> > emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
>
> Why not?
>
> I do think a more modern solut
On 04/06/2018 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
> projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
> outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider
> instead deploying instead one of many ac
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On 04/06/2018 14:07, Mark Rousell wrote:
> it would even give them a root into the resurgent mainframe market.
Doh...
s/root/route/
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Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com):
> To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong?
Autonomy.
The Void Linux distribution is, according to Steve Litt, currently in
semi-chaos because GitHub, Inc. recognises no other user other than the
founder as having authority over the project's
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And
> rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO.
Yes, that really is a serious limitation. The Wikipedia page about the
GitHub codebase mentions only that it's written in Ruby (and some bits
i
On 04/06/2018 16:14, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com):
>
>> To play devil's advocate, what can go wrong?
> Autonomy.
I really can't see anything different about project autonomy before or
after GitHub acquisition by Microsoft. The issue you elaborate on below
is
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 02:07:04PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> > For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
> > projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
> > outsourcing your entire source code re
Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill open source. # Serge
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Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com):
> I really can't see anything different about project autonomy before or
> after GitHub acquisition by Microsoft. The issue you elaborate on below
> is certainly real but Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub doesn't seem
> likely to make any differen
Is this a case of mass US based industrial espionage now?
It's been said that Microsoft makes a great deal of monies from Linux
with patents in play.
I see this as a perfect solution for Microsoft to go after every man and
his dog using github to see if there are any patents to win more money
ove
On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to
> kill open source.
>
> # Serge
>
I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source.
Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub?
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On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> unprecedented accuracy.
But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or
anyone else) would have ha
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
> > Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to
> > kill open source.
> >
> > # Serge
> >
>
> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open so
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> > unprecedented accuracy.
>
> But if most of those p
On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> unprecedented accura
On 04/06/2018 17:52, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>
>> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source.
>>
>> Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub?
>>
> No, they just own the largest corporate account on git
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in
hell before I opted for a Microsoft versio
On 05/06/18 03:06, Mark Rousell wrote:
> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
> from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source*
> contributions (admittedly dating from 2016).
>
> Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-
Andrew McGlashan wrote on 05/06/18 03:18:
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day
I deleted my linkedin account a few years ago. Almost immediately I
started receiving invitations from some people that I only knew
peripherally. Why would they care? None of the people I knew well ever
said anything about my leaving. It didn't take long to write a procmail
recipe to send all s
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
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>
> I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a
> fan of Microsoft but...
>
> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
> from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *o
On 2018-06-04 12:06, Mark Rousell wrote:
Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9
'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an
important way'.
OT: This site wouldn't let me view content with an adblocker enabled.
I made a quick exit a
On 04/06/2018 18:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a
>> fan of Microsoft but...
>>
>> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
>> from
On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
> brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very c
Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit :
On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I wou
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool
> > projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community
> > with an unprecedented accuracy.
>
> But if most of those proje
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 19:10:42 +0100, Mark wrote in message
<5b1580a2.8000...@signal100.com>:
> On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> > On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> > Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> > NO WAY! It's bad enough with R
Hi all,
Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub. No
more.
GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too:
systemd, Caldera going to the dark side, etc.
My understanding, from reading man pages of a very few git commands, is
that git comes with a
KatolaZ wrote:
> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
> stole DOS.
While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought it
outright for what the person selling it accep
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 21:07:24 +0200, Didier wrote in message
:
> Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit :
> > On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >> On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> >> Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> >> NO WAY! I
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:34:48 -0400, Steve wrote in message
<20180604153448.5a9ec...@mydesk.domain.cxm>:
> Hi all,
>
> Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub.
> No more.
>
> GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too:
> systemd, Caldera goin
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > I also bet for RHEL because
> > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will be
> > placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS!
> > 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by forc
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
> > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
> > stole DOS.
>
> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they did
On 04-06-18 22:45, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
>>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
>>> stole DOS.
>> While I am no f
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:36:39 +0200, Adam wrote in message
<20180604203639.cp7x6wnnaywnq...@angband.pl>:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > I also bet for RHEL because
> > > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will
> > > be placed in
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and
> > > never will. It
I have a GPE calendar, which I still use daily, and some GPE contacts.
The machine these run on is starting to fail -- spontaneous reboot,
random battery life, and the like.
It still runs well enough that I can *copy* the GPE data bases.
Any ideas how to move the data to a modern format? And
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:38:16PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message
> <20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> > > KatolaZ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whatever
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:32:32PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
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>
> I do not have strong opinions about Microsoft buying Github. Just the
> notion that paying such amount of money means some strategic move which
> will not necessarily means it is in the best interest of cu
On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider
instead deploying instead one of many actua
> On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:02, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>> For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
>> projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
>> outsourcing your entire source code repos to G
On 06/04/2018 06:53 PM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:02, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
outs
Steve Litt wrote on 05/06/18 05:34:
Hi all,
Timing is everything. I was about to put my Stylz project on GitHub. No
more.
GitLab's a maybe, but unexpected bad stuff happens in Open Source too:
systemd, Caldera going to the dark side, etc.
My understanding, from reading man pages of a very few
On 04/06/2018 at 12:44, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
>>> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
>>
>> Wh
On 04/06/2018 at 18:40, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
>> Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to kill
>> open source.
>>
>> # Serge
>>
>
> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source.
Really? Are yo
On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
>>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
>>> stole DOS.
>>
>> While I
On 06/04/2018 08:27 PM, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
[snip]
> Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years;
> i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having
> always been there.
>
> Ralph.
Good point but I'd say that's only if it's knowledge in an area near an
On 06/04/2018 09:10 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
[snip]
> I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-)
[snip]
It's called "Azure Sphere OS" and it is 100% dependent on M$ products.
You cannot use it without M$ Azure and you cannot develop for it without
both M$ Windows and M$ Visual
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