On 12/18/2015 08:42 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
Hi Edward,
Your repository works fine with git-buildpackage:
$ git clone https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git
$ rm -rf netman/.git
-
This is beacause git-import-orig doesn't support git meta-datas (but
it supports debian meta-datas).
$ mkdir pzt
I rectify:
On 12/18/2015 09:28 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
$ git checkout gbp-master
Switched to branch 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.
$ git checkout gbp-master
Switched to branch 'gbp-master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/gbp-master'.
Aitor.
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Le 17/12/2015 20:21, Go Linux a écrit :
Marco d'Itri's response to that post is illuminating:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00644.html
"I strongly recommend that the people who cannot live with libsystemd0
installed on their systems leave Debian, because their life is going to
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:22:33AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
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>
> The list of 4583 packages now depending on libsysemd0 includes a
> lot of packages which definitely have nothing to do with it. The
> final lock will happen when the dependency will reach the shells and
> gcc. Given the f
Hi Emiliano,
On 12/17/2015 02:07 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
Thanks aitor_czr!
remover --> eliminar <= synonyms
xinit y iniciar --> xinit*e* iniciar <= ouch!
un gestor de login*para* utilizar --> un gestor de login*que poder*
utilizar <= it's badly conjugated, better use:
"Si todo funci
Didier Kryn wrote:
>The list of 4583 packages now depending on libsystemd0 includes a
>lot of packages which definitely have nothing to do with it. The final
>lock will happen when the dependency will reach the shells and gcc.
>Given the fast contamination, we should expect this pretty soon.
KatolaZ wrote:
>Just a simple question: how are the BSD folks dealing with those>dependencies
>in the ports? I beliebe there will never be a running
>libsystemd0 under FreeBSD, for instance. It might be a good idea to
>"re-port" the ports back into devuan, if you see what I mean...
The pro
LOL no problem,
It must be our (argentinian) dialect. That's why I said I tried to keep it
neutral.
First, we do use "remover" as "remove" in Argentina.
Second, about "...*que poder* utilizar...", we never use that kind of
conjugation in Argentina (in Latin America I dare to say), it's really
st
Hi Aitor,
dpkg-buildpackage succeeds to build two .deb packages but netman/.git
is broken. I have a full system backup including /home from the 8th
December 2015, but that would mean, losing all changes since that
date. Currently, "git status" is saying:
edbarx@edbarx-pc:~/netman-0.1.1$ ls
backen
Le 18/12/2015 11:55, Mitt Green a écrit :
Didier Kryn wrote:
The list of 4583 packages now depending on libsystemd0 includes a
lot of packages which definitely have nothing to do with it. The final
lock will happen when the dependency will reach the shells and gcc.
Given the fast contamination
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:09:46AM +, Mitt Green wrote:
>
>
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
>
>
> >Just a simple question: how are the BSD folks dealing with
> >those>dependencies in the ports? I beliebe there will never be a running
> >libsystemd0 under FreeBSD, for instance. It might be a good idea
Edward Bartolo writes:
[...]
> Changes not staged for commit:
[...]
> modified: netman.desktop
> modified: netman.lps
>
> Untracked files:
>
> debian/files
> debian/netman-backend.debhelper.log
> debian/netman-backend.substvars
> debian/netman-backend/
>
KatolaZ writes:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:22:33AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> The list of 4583 packages now depending on libsysemd0 includes a
>> lot of packages which definitely have nothing to do with it. The
>> final lock will happen when the dependency will reach the shells
KatolaZ wrote:
>Sure, but you would agree that rebuilding an increasing number of
>infected packages in Devuan from upstream would mean a great deal of
>unnecessary work...
It may be unnecessary, that's why I see a couple of ways to solve it:
1) Contacting maintainers directly. This can be unf
Rainer Weikusat writes:
A somewhat loaded "executive summary" of [Russ Allbery's] statement
> could be: > "Considering that systemd was forced into Debian, I
really don't see why
I would want to bother was all this boring tech stuff any longer".
An improbable reading given that Russ voted fo
Didier Kryn writes:
The list of 4583 packages now depending on libsysemd0 includes a
lot of packages which definitely have nothing to do with it. The final
lock will happen when the dependency will reach the shells and gcc.
Given the fast contamination, we should expect this pretty soon.
T
>It's a library whose sole purpose is to make sure that
>packages *don't* depend on
>systemd.
So, you are saying that libsystemd0 is harmless and it
doesn't mean anything unless you install systemd, systemd-sysv and so on?
Mitt
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Le 18/12/2015 15:35, John Hughes a écrit :
The list is, of course, spurious.
$ cat /etc/debian_version
8.2
$ apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 | wc -l
74
Sorry, my primary attitude is to believe what people write. So it's
only 74. Does it include chained dependency?
Every single function
On 18/12/15 15:50, Mitt Green wrote:
It's a library whose sole purpose is to make sure that
packages *don't* depend on
systemd.
So, you are saying that libsystemd0 is harmless and it
doesn't mean anything unless you install systemd, systemd-sysv and so on?
Exactly.
(aargh. resending 'cos got
On 18/12/15 15:54, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 18/12/2015 15:35, John Hughes a écrit :
The list is, of course, spurious.
$ cat /etc/debian_version
8.2
$ apt-cache rdepends libsystemd0 | wc -l
74
Sorry, my primary attitude is to believe what people write. So
it's only 74. Does it include chained
Hi LOL,
On 18/12/15 12:13, Emiliano Marini wrote:
LOL no problem,
It must be our (argentinian) dialect. That's why I said I tried to
keep it neutral.
First, we do use "remover" as "remove" in Argentina.
Second, about "...*que poder* utilizar...", we never use that kind of
conjugation in A
John Hughes writes:
> Rainer Weikusat writes:
>> A somewhat loaded "executive summary" of [Russ Allbery's] statement
>> could be: "Considering that systemd was forced into Debian, I
>> really don't see why I would want to bother was all this boring tech
>> stuff any longer".
>
> An improbable rea
Mitt Green writes:
>>It's a library whose sole purpose is to make sure that
>>packages *don't* depend on
>>systemd.
>
> So, you are saying that libsystemd0 is harmless and it
> doesn't mean anything unless you install systemd, systemd-sysv and so
> on?
If you look at
,
| if (init_is_systemd
Hi John,
On 18/12/15 16:18, John Hughes wrote:
(I hate Thunderbird -- resending 'cos idiot program chose wrong sender
address*again*)
I use ManJaro Mail :)
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John Hughes writes:
In fact he seems to have resigned because he was pissed off
with Ian Jackson's anti-systemd (pro-upstart) agitation.
Rumour had it that he was offgepissed about the manner of discourse, both
in Debian generally at the time and in particular in the systemd
discussion.
Arn
On 18/12/15 16:25, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
If you look at
,
| if (init_is_systemd) {
|do some systemd stuff;
| }
| else {
|carry on as before;
| }
`
you'll note that the
if (init_is_systemd) {
do some systemd stuff;
} else {
/* syslog(LOG_EMERG, "ESYADMINDEPR
>is nothing but "systemd support code added to some
>package".
If it is so, why there is so much hype about it?
I previously thought that Devuan aim was to remove
*any* of systemd components. Does that mean that
we *should* care of this dependency?
As far as I see libsystemd0 is only a shared l
On 18/12/15 16:51, Mitt Green wrote:
is nothing but "systemd support code added to some
package".
If it is so, why there is so much hype about it?
Hype about what? libsystemd0? The only "hype" about libsystemd0 was
from LKCL who came up with a strange plan to remove it by replacing
libsyst
John Hughes wrote:
>The only "hype" about libsystemd0 was
>from LKCL who came up with a strange plan to remove it by replacing
>libsystemd0 by a library that would dynamically load libsystemd0,
>probably called lib-not-quite-libsystemd0.
No, the actual work on packages that remove libsystem
Go Linux wrote:
>Just a heads up. None of your emails are coming through. Not even in spam. I
>>only know that you've posted when I see quotes in the responses. I have a
>>yahoo address for this list and it has been a problem for me too.
The same thing about you: once you wrote to "Our frie
John Hughes writes:
> On 18/12/15 16:25, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> If you look at
>>
>> ,
>> | if (init_is_systemd) {
>> |do some systemd stuff;
>> | }
>> | else {
>> |carry on as before;
>> | }
>> `
>>
>> you'll note that the
>>
>> if (init_is_systemd)F {
>> do some syst
On 18/12/15 17:18, Mitt Green wrote:
No, the actual work on packages that remove libsystemd0 dependency.
I've done quite of it for my machine. Notable examples include
angband repositories apart from Devuan's own. Adam made a big
base removing the dependency.
But why? What badness does libsys
On 18/12/15 17:27, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
John Hughes writes:
Can't find the string "ESYADMINDEPRECATED" in the source for
libsystemd0.
That's not really surprising as there is no source for
'libsystemd0'. It's a part of systemd,
https://packages.debian.org/sid/libsystemd0
and the source o
On 18/12/15 17:54, John Hughes wrote:
You were implicitly claiming that libsystemd would produce errors if
systemd was installed. I was, perhaps flippantly, noting that it
doesn't.
Duh, systemd *wasn't* installed, I meant.
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John Hughes wrote:
>But why? What badness does libsystemd0 do?
A simple principle: let the end user decide what he is going to run.
Why maintainers push libsystemd0 dependency when they can forget it.
Compare: Xfce devs (package maintainers) never required systemd to
run, Mate maintainers req
John Hughes writes:
> On 18/12/15 17:27, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> John Hughes writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Can't find the string "ESYADMINDEPRECATED" in the source for
>>> libsystemd0.
>> That's not really surprising as there is no source for
>> 'libsystemd0'. It's a part of systemd,
>>
>> https://package
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 05:06:43PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> On 18/12/15 16:51, Mitt Green wrote:
>
> > I previously thought that Devuan aim was to remove
> >*any* of systemd components.
>
> Funny, I thought Devuan was about choice.
Indeed, both are true. Devuan is about choice. Since Debian
On 18/12/15 18:06, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Indeed, both are true. Devuan is about choice. Since Debian is quite
clearly providing the alternative of using systemd,
And the alternative of *not* using systemd.
the main effort here is to provide the alternative of not using systemd.
The main part
On Fri, 12/18/15, John Hughes wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Our friendly community
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 11:27 AM
On 18/12/15 18:06, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Indeed, both are true. Devuan is about choice. Since Debian is quite
> clearly providing the alternative
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:22:33 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> > "I strongly recommend that the people who cannot live with
> > libsystemd0 installed on their systems leave Debian, because their
> > life is going to suck more and more as we will integrate it in
> > every important daemon after jessie wi
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:37:56 +0300
Mitt Green wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> >Sure, but you would agree that rebuilding an increasing number of
> >infected packages in Devuan from upstream would mean a great deal of
> >unnecessary work...
>
>
> It may be unnecessary, that's why I see a couple
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:27:32PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >> you'll note that the
> >>
> >> if (init_is_systemd)F {
> >>do some systemd stuff;
> >> } else {
> >>/* syslog(LOG_EMERG, "ESYADMINDEPRECATED!!!"); */
> >> }
> >>
> >> is nothing but "systemd support code added to some pac
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:51:02 +0300
Mitt Green wrote:
> >is nothing but "systemd support code added to some
> >package".
>
> If it is so, why there is so much hype about it?
> I previously thought that Devuan aim was to remove
> *any* of systemd components.
I think this is settled law, settl
Tomasz Torcz writes:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:27:32PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> >> you'll note that the
>> >>
>> >> if (init_is_systemd)F {
>> >> do some systemd stuff;
>> >> } else {
>> >> /* syslog(LOG_EMERG, "ESYADMINDEPRECATED!!!"); */
>> >> }
>> >>
>> >> is nothing but "system
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:06:43 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> > I previously thought that Devuan aim was to remove
> > *any* of systemd components.
>
> Funny, I thought Devuan was about choice.
Yes and no. This was discussed several months ago.
A huge priority of Devuan is to allow choice. Howev
Rainer Weikusat writes:
> Tomasz Torcz writes:
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 04:27:32PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>>> >> you'll note that the
>>> >>
>>> >> if (init_is_systemd)F {
>>> >> do some systemd stuff;
>>> >> } else {
>>> >> /* syslog(LOG_EMERG, "ESYADMINDEPRECATED!!!"); */
>>> >> }
>>
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:39:26 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> On 18/12/15 17:18, Mitt Green wrote:
> >
> > No, the actual work on packages that remove libsystemd0 dependency.
> > I've done quite of it for my machine. Notable examples include
> > angband repositories apart from Devuan's own. Adam made a
Steve Litt writes:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:39:26 +0100
> John Hughes wrote:
>
>> On 18/12/15 17:18, Mitt Green wrote:
>> >
>> > No, the actual work on packages that remove libsystemd0 dependency.
>> > I've done quite of it for my machine. Notable examples include
>> > angband repositories apart
2015-12-18 17:21 GMT+01:00, Mitt Green :
> Go Linux wrote:
>
>>Just a heads up. None of your emails are coming through. Not even in spam.
>> I >only know that you've posted when I see quotes in the responses. I
>> have a >yahoo address for this list and it has been a problem for me too.
>
> The
Steve Litt wrote on 19/12/15 04:17:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:22:33 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
"I strongly recommend that the people who cannot live with
libsystemd0 installed on their systems leave Debian, because their
life is going to suck more and more as we will integrate it in
every important
On Fri, 12/18/15, Arthur Marsh wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Our friendly community
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, December 18, 2015, 9:08 PM
Steve Litt wrote on 19/12/15 04:17:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:22:33 +0100
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>>> "I strongly recommend that the people who cann
Hi All,
Finally, I fully restored my local netman sources from a full system
backup I made on the 8th December 2015. Updating was a matter of only
deleting the netman/debian directory and using "git pull".
My goal was always to use the least invasive of methods to recover my
sources. This was why
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