Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> This way it would be much easier to count which > release it is, and it would serve as an indication that devuan has > already it's own personality, and isn't only a debian's copy. that is a poor rationale for breaking a logical naming scheme. --Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:44 AM, P. T. Zol

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb william moss: > On 03/04/2015 07:06 PM, Ed Ender wrote: [...] > > Opera for the browser. > Thunderbird or Claws for email, though the Opera client is good. Does it have maildir? All those one-big-file-for-everything mailbox style clients are pestilenze for bac

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis: > > Here is just one example of what I am referring to. > > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google > (like everyone else) complies with the law. if you l

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
Nik, please remove yourself from the mailing list. --Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis: >> > Here is just one example of what I am referring to. >> > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data >

[Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-05 Thread Luke Diamand
Hi! I'm trying to switch over my system to use the devuan packages (amd64 for now, armv7 if I get keen). What do I need to do to for that to work? I've tried adding the devuan repo to /etc/apt/sources.list. The first thing I got was missing the public key (but installing the keyring package

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Matthew Melton
Dragan FOSS wrote > On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote: > > > I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just > > now. > > I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it. > > > http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/ > >

Re: [Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
replace whatever you added with this line: deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ unstable main contrib non-free the run apt-get update. it should complain: W: GPG error: http://packages.devuan.org unstable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the pub

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread shraptor shraptor
On Thursday, March 5, 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: > > Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features, > > it also has no real security support. > > No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security. > The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each t

Re: [Dng] release names

2015-03-05 Thread Jaromil
On March 4, 2015 11:10:24 PM GMT+01:00, Robert Storey wrote: >Quite frankly, I always thought it was rather lame to name Debian >releases >after the toys in Toy Story. Then again, I thought the movie was lame >too. Yes!!! me too!!! ___ Dng maili

Re: [Dng] Ста Деюс: As a russian, I have question for you.

2015-03-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > can we keep politics off this list please. +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:14 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd rather see Devuan default > to Chromium with NAPI support than use Firefox, period. As for > Thunderbird, I see no reason to use Mozilla's version. Unless things have > changed since I last h

Re: [Dng] Ста Деюс: As a russian, I have question for you.

2015-03-05 Thread jaromil
On 2015-03-05 13:55, Nuno Magalhães wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: can we keep politics off this list please. +1 +1 BTW - as people here already know here - we assumed a fairly defensive position towards trolls on this list and the DEFCON hasn't changed from

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > Mutt is on my todo-stack in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at https://www.dyne.org/software/jaro-mail :^) I certainly plan to package it for Devuan.

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-05 Thread Ста Деюс
В Wed, 04 Mar 2015 21:13:43 +0100 x...@openmailbox.org пишет: > I'm not a professional artist, but maybe it's the only thing that I > can collaborate. Please, find attach a link with two images with > sketches for your consideration. There are a logo idea and some > marketing cartoons (similar to

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-05 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Ста Деюс wrote: > В Wed, 04 Mar 2015 21:13:43 +0100 > x...@openmailbox.org пишет: > > > I'm not a professional artist, but maybe it's the only thing that I > > can collaborate. Please, find attach a link with two images with > > sketches for your consideration. There are a lo

Re: [Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-05 Thread karl
Gravis: > replace whatever you added with this line: > deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ unstable main > contrib non-free > > the run apt-get update. it should complain: > W: GPG error: http://packages.devuan.org unstable InRelease: The > following signatures couldn't be ve

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-03-05 Thread Martijn Dekkers
> these sketches by xiep are sweet, but I wouldn't like to follow up on > the monkey metaphore. > Also, Ximian already did the monkey thing... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 05 Mar 07:22 -0600, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > Mutt is on my todo-stack > > in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and > notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at > https://www.dyne.org/software/j

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-05 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 02:02 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Yes. I can't speak for others, but I can implement far more cleanly > designed and reliable solutions using C than other choices. I can > certainly write "less code" using Python or Perl, but I can do exactly > the same thing with C by

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Anto
On 05/03/15 04:54, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote: I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just now. I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it. http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/ - [

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a programmer if at all), [user-to-user] tips: Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux h

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 03/ 5/15 06:38 PM, Anto wrote: Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which is Clean version of init-system-helpers, by Adam Borowski, is also in trios repo http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-syst

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Anto
On 05/03/15 19:36, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 03/ 5/15 06:38 PM, Anto wrote: Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which is Clean version of init-system-helpers, by Adam Borowski, is also in trios repo ht

Re: [Dng] apt repository?

2015-03-05 Thread Jaromil
hi Karl, Gravis, On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Gravis: > > replace whatever you added with this line: > > deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ unstable main > > contrib non-free > > > > the run apt-get update. it should complain: > > W: GPG error: http://pa

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Martijn Dekkers
**Looks around** Full moon tonight? On 5 March 2015 at 19:51, wrote: > I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation. > > But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of > my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a > programmer if

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 03/ 5/15 08:16 PM, Anto wrote: The following packages will be REMOVED: php5-cli php5-fpm php5-imagick Meanwhile, last night, the situation changed .. obviously, at least for php5-fpm :) > But I am not confident enough Whatever you want .. my message about trios repo was just a sugges

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 18:38:23 +0100 Anto wrote: > Hello Dragan, > > Thanks a lot for your efforts. > > Unfortunately, your php5-fpm depends on init-system-helpers. So I can > not test that as I don't want to install init-system-helpers, which > is the helper for systemd *only*. It should be onl

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 03/ 5/15 10:30 PM, Dragan FOSS wrote: Meanwhile, last night, the situation changed .. obviously, at least for php5-fpm I almost forgot .. a few nights ago, also removed dependency in libvirt Forum thread about that: https://foss.rs/threads/libvirt-requires-libsystemd0.3827/ __

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> Really? The Surveillance Engine Terminated All My Videos > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113059 you are not a victim here. your videos were "terminated" because they violated copyright law which they are required to enforce. apparently you are a repeat offender and thus correct

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > **Looks around** > > Full moon tonight? Well, I don't respond in kind. I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora, but my topics and my tips ended up being read and followed. And they are in Gentoo Fora. I'd just point to

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
as a matter of fact, it is! http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php the good news is that friday the 13th wont coincide with a full moon for another 34 years. turns out, the last one was this past June. - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > **Looks

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora why am i not surprised? -_- - Gravis On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >> **Looks around** >> >> Full moon tonight? > > Well, I don't respond in kind. I was derided and

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread miroslav . rovis1
This is textual representation from links -dump https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20150305.194152.e5e48ea9.en.html . ||M...|| Gravis 2015-03-05 05:22 ||M| Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 2015-03-05 08:04 ||.M Dr. Ni

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Gravis
> > you are not a victim here. your videos were "terminated" because they > > violated copyright law which they are required to enforce. apparently > > you are a repeat offender and thus correctly deemed untrustworthy. > You don't know that to be truth what you are claiming. And you are calling me

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

2015-03-05 Thread Peter Olson
> On March 5, 2015 at 11:26 PM Gravis wrote: > the link you posted links to a clip from Al Jazeera that was taken > down due to copyright infringement. you do realize that content from > Al Jazeera is copyright and that posting it without permission is > copyright infringement, right? if you do

Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)

2015-03-05 Thread Anto
On 05/03/15 22:30, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 03/ 5/15 08:16 PM, Anto wrote: The following packages will be REMOVED: php5-cli php5-fpm php5-imagick Meanwhile, last night, the situation changed .. obviously, at least for php5-fpm :) > But I am not confident enough Whatever you want .. my mes