On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Didier Kryn wrote:
> I must confess I discovered ZeroMQ recently; it looks like the
> thing the programmer always needed since the advent of networking.
> I was blaming myself for not having used it in a
> multi-host+multi-language project started 7 years ago,
Le 20/02/2015 16:25, Gravis a écrit :
D-Bus has existed for about a decade if not more. As far as I can
tell, ZeroMQ has existed for a few years. Also, D-Bus is written in
the fashion that matches how the GTK API which is a C API. libdbus
has lots of language wrappers.
D-Bus is more for R
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 01:58:59PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
>
> I don't see what's the fuss about server-oriented vs desktop-oriented.
> As long as it's not monolithic anyone can/should be able to install a
Even monoliths can be tolerated if they do not exclude other ways of
running the syst
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> As a home user of Debian running Xfce and also with a strong hobbyist
> interest and advocate for Linux systems, I do not wish to be excluded by
> Devuan and, at least for 1.0, that does not appear to be in the plan.
+1
I don't see what's
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 14:32 -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC (ONCRPC) before
> either GNOME or KDE existed
>
> interesting I'd never read about those until now. however, there was no
> GPL (compatible?) version for Linux (still isn't?) and the intern
> RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC (ONCRPC) before
either GNOME or KDE existed
interesting I'd never read about those until now. however, there was no
GPL (compatible?) version for Linux (still isn't?) and the internet didn't
have it's information as organized back then. su
Svante Signell:
>Hurd does also run xfce4 without problems, and don't have anything
>*systemd* installed :)
If i wish to install xfce4 on my mostly stable Gentoo, there is one
package in the dependencies where systemd is mentioned.
hafi@i5_64 ~ $ emerge -p -uDN xfce4-meta
[...]
xfce-base/xfce4-s
On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 11:36 -0500, william moss wrote:
> On 02/20/2015 09:30 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > * On 2015 20 Feb 05:55 -0600, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> > As a home user of Debian running Xfce and also with a strong hobbyist
> > interest and advocate for Linux systems, I do not wish to be
Nevertheless, RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC
(ONCRPC) before either GNOME or KDE existed. Heck, the earliest versions
predate Linux.
Given the combined functionality offered by PolicyKit/Polkit and dbus, I'm
beginning to think that FreeDesktop has succeeded in re-inventing
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42:43PM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > CDE (common desktop environment)
> > Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
That's it. By the way, it does work on Debian (though I'm not sure if the
sysvinit scr
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:42:43PM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > CDE (common desktop environment)
> > Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
>
> now what is "Inferno"?
Long answer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(opera
> > CDE (common desktop environment)
> Not familiar with that. Is it related to Inferno?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
now what is "Inferno"?
--Gravis
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Hendrik Boom
wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36:20AM -0500, william moss wro
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:36:20AM -0500, william moss wrote:
>
> FreeBSD supports XFCE Via its package manager (pkg) or /usr/ports, so it
> must be possible to run XFCE w/o the systemd daemon(s) or shared objects.
>
> Also, I configured server farms for decades (retired now) and a simple
> GUI w
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On 02/20/2015 09:30 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 20 Feb 05:55 -0600, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
>> I would say +1 for everything that is written with this e-mail and above.
>> However, there's one thing here,
>> there are more people running serv
* On 2015 20 Feb 09:03 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Guys, I don't think there is contradiction between server and
> desktop. There is a difference in the user base and installed
> applications, not in the OS. dbus and udev/eudev/mdev/vdev/ are just
> useful services which make life easier if th
> But I wonder why people have developped dbus instead of using a
ready-made, well-tested, lightweight, language-agnostic middleware? Yes it
exsts; there's at least one, ZeroMQ.
D-Bus has existed for about a decade if not more. As far as I can tell, ZeroMQ
has existed for a few years. Also, D-Bu
Concerning dbus, there is a need for publisher/subscriber communication on
> the desktop. But I wonder why people have developped dbus instead of using
> a ready-made, well-tested, lightweight, language-agnostic middleware? Yes
> it exsts; there's at least one, ZeroMQ.
>
Something something conte
Le 20/02/2015 13:48, Martijn Dekkers a
écrit :
I would say +1 for everything that is written with
this e-mail and above. However, there's one thing
here,
* On 2015 20 Feb 05:55 -0600, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
> I would say +1 for everything that is written with this e-mail and above.
> However, there's one thing here,
> there are more people running servers than people running linux on their
> desktops, so IMHO devuan should first focus on the servers
> I would say +1 for everything that is written with this e-mail and above.
> However, there's one thing here,
> there are more people running servers than people running linux on their
> desktops, so IMHO devuan should first focus on the servers.
>
I strongly believe that if we manage to pull tog
On 20.02.2015 12:54, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
>
>
> BTW I think nobody here cares about having Devuan support Gnome.
> The do-it-all DEs,
> those providing their own integrated replacement for every
> application, are, by design,
> opposed to the Nix principles. It is not a
>
> BTW I think nobody here cares about having Devuan support Gnome. The
> do-it-all DEs,
> those providing their own integrated replacement for every application,
> are, by design,
> opposed to the Nix principles. It is not a surprise that systemd and Gnome
> are working
> together.
>
I would
Le 19/02/2015 18:05, John Crisp a écrit :
The short version of this whole thing is that Poettering - and with him,
RedHat - are trying to take the kernel away from Linux Torvalds. They
are doing so by creating another kernel in userland that everything
depends on. Once they have enough stuff jac
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100
John Crisp wrote:
> I read the following article a while back and the one reply that
> really actually made the most sense to me and summed up my feelings
> that there are wider political issues at stake - this was on page 3
> of the comments by Trevor Potts.
>
On 19/02/15 18:38, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100
> John Crisp wrote:
>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/
>
> Trade mag journalists. Can't live with them, can't live without
> them. :-)
>
LOl - yeah. But it was t
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100
John Crisp wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/
Wow, this article (the article itself, not the replies) has a mislead
right off the bat:
"The dispute centred on plans to replace the sysvinit init sys
On 19/02/15 13:36, hal wrote:
> Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it
> doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except in a tangential aspect.
>
> I've always thought it a bit odd that just a handful of people, leading
> certain Open Source projects, coul
it's my understanding that most additions to the kernel from hardware
companies are for drivers. i can only assume the rest are for new features
they want to use or random bug fixes. i think the linux kernel itself is
safe from needless radical changes because the linux kernel people actually
get
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