-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/20/2015 09:30 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2015 20 Feb 05:55 -0600, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: >> I would say +1 for everything that is written with this e-mail and above. >> However, there's one thing here, >> there are more people running servers than people running linux on their >> desktops, so IMHO devuan should first focus on the servers. > > Focus is fine, but I trust the team when they state Xfce will be the > default DE that they are taking a very pragmatic approach. For one, I > believe there are many more Linux desktop users than we ever know. > Informally, I know of many hobbyists who use Linux as their desktop. > They do not appear on sales numbers anywhere as they are likely > converting a Windows PC to run their Linux desktop. To intentionally > lock these users out would be a grave disservice, IMHO. Hopefully, the > systemd regressions introduced into Xfce will be easy for the team to > revert (actually, I wonder whether the problem is in Xfce upstream or > the way the Debian maintainers built their packages so that without > systemd running as PID 1 the Xcfe power manager becomes a lame duck as > does LightDM). > > Dropping Gnome will not be a loss nor will dropping KDE (or whatever > they are calling it these days) from Devuan as these projects pretty > much have a philosophy opposite of that expressed by the Unix > philosophy. IMO, Xfce is more of a loose confederation of programs that > work well together as a "desktop", than an integrated whole. For > example, Thunar and Xfce Terminal run just fine as stand-alone apps > inside a bare OpenBox session, at least on Wheezy. > > As a home user of Debian running Xfce and also with a strong hobbyist > interest and advocate for Linux systems, I do not wish to be excluded by > Devuan and, at least for 1.0, that does not appear to be in the plan. > > - Nate > FreeBSD supports XFCE Via its package manager (pkg) or /usr/ports, so it must be possible to run XFCE w/o the systemd daemon(s) or shared objects.
Also, I configured server farms for decades (retired now) and a simple GUI was convenient. People, even highly technical one, are pictorially oriented; as a species we relate to images. In that context we ran the CDE (common desktop environment) and its derivatives at Bell Labs (AT&T) using Sun SPARC and HP RISC servers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlTnYn8ACgkQpY/BHpBmP2pnAwD9F46ZClMvqan4wimNYndHH8Op fMIJ7ghWP4/kbwKwO38A/2FOzxNpGFCWpzFgLBADHV+cfvFoXBsFtBrnSi7SvshT =qF8g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
