* On 2015 20 Feb 05:55 -0600, Aldemir Akpinar wrote: > I would say +1 for everything that is written with this e-mail and above. > However, there's one thing here, > there are more people running servers than people running linux on their > desktops, so IMHO devuan should first focus on the servers.
Focus is fine, but I trust the team when they state Xfce will be the default DE that they are taking a very pragmatic approach. For one, I believe there are many more Linux desktop users than we ever know. Informally, I know of many hobbyists who use Linux as their desktop. They do not appear on sales numbers anywhere as they are likely converting a Windows PC to run their Linux desktop. To intentionally lock these users out would be a grave disservice, IMHO. Hopefully, the systemd regressions introduced into Xfce will be easy for the team to revert (actually, I wonder whether the problem is in Xfce upstream or the way the Debian maintainers built their packages so that without systemd running as PID 1 the Xcfe power manager becomes a lame duck as does LightDM). Dropping Gnome will not be a loss nor will dropping KDE (or whatever they are calling it these days) from Devuan as these projects pretty much have a philosophy opposite of that expressed by the Unix philosophy. IMO, Xfce is more of a loose confederation of programs that work well together as a "desktop", than an integrated whole. For example, Thunar and Xfce Terminal run just fine as stand-alone apps inside a bare OpenBox session, at least on Wheezy. As a home user of Debian running Xfce and also with a strong hobbyist interest and advocate for Linux systems, I do not wish to be excluded by Devuan and, at least for 1.0, that does not appear to be in the plan. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
