[lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, in "Statistical Exclusions": The few respondents who cited salaries greater than US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses throughout this document. Can anybody shed light on what it takes to get

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Doug Hughes
Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, > in "Statistical Exclusions": > > The few respondents who cited salaries greater than > US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses > throughout this document. > > Can a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Atom Powers
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi.  The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, > in "Statistical Exclusions": > >        The few respondents who cited salaries greater than >        US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses >        thro

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Trey Harris wrote: > c) Be "senior", meaning "ten years minimum of hard and accomplished technical > work". > > d) Be able to do more than just keyboard work. Be able to take a project > from conception to completion and not blink when the job requires project > management,

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Tue, 4 May 2010, Aleksey Tsalolikhin writes: Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, in "Statistical Exclusions": The few respondents who cited salaries greater than US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses throughou

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tom Limoncelli
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Matt Lawrence wrote: > It has been my observation that this sort of advancement is no longer > available to systems administrators.  Sysadmin work is now considered low > level technical work and any sort of project management is now done by > technically illiterate

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Doug Hughes
Matt Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010, Trey Harris wrote: > > >> c) Be "senior", meaning "ten years minimum of hard and accomplished >> technical >> work". >> >> d) Be able to do more than just keyboard work. Be able to take a project >> from conception to completion and not blink when t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Brockway
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Doug Hughes wrote: > I'm sorry (or happy?) but you're wrong. Seems like you're in a bad > position. There are others available. It seems to me that many positions that require more than just technical work now carry titles other than sysadmin. I think there is a real confli

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Brodie, Kent
> This has been discussed on SAGE-AU recently. I'm not quite sure what do > to about - try to get the message out there and reclaim the term sysadmin > or accept that it now has a narrow meaning and find another term. I would say this is where we want to go - and what we as LOPSA members should

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread John BORIS
I agree about job descriptions not being what the job entails and that is where organizations like LOPSA have to be on the forefront to have these descriptions to keep the profession (not job) from becoming diluted. In my prior life as a Maintenance Machinist with the US Mint I watched how the Gove

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matthew Barr
On May 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > > I only noticed this fairly recently although I suspect it has been brewing > for a while. What is now called a "technical architect" I might call a > SAGE Level IV sysadmin. Agreed. Sysadmin only goes so high, in some companies. > C

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tracy Reed
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 03:40:09PM -0400, Robert Brockway spake thusly: > Compare system administrator and network administrator. As far as I'm > concerned any senior sysadmin better be a networking guru but I've found > quite a wide variety of opinions on this topic, even among sysadmins. They

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread John Jasen
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of sufficient size or complexity. Of course, having degraded from a generalist systems admin to a security admin might have biased that opinion. Tracy Reed wrote:

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tracy Reed
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 12:00:17AM -0400, John Jasen spake thusly: > Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems > administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of > sufficient size or complexity. How far did/does "generalist" go? Occasionally my boss la

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread unix_fan
(man, yahoo email is sucking lately ... I have to manually reformat ) Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, in > "Statistical Exclusions": >The few respondents who cited salaries greater than US$200,000 are > excluded

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Brockway
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Tracy Reed wrote: > How far did/does "generalist" go? Occasionally my boss laments that > I'm not a Windows guy. I'm pretty much Linux/Unix only. I couldn't > help with most Windows problems if I wanted to. Is the generalist > sysadmin supposed to know all OSs? Perhaps I too ha

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Simon Lyall
On Wed, 5 May 2010, John Jasen wrote: > Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems > administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of > sufficient size or complexity. The impression I get is that for large organisations you get "platforms" run by small

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Simon Lyall wrote: > The impression I get is that for large organisations you get "platforms" > run by smaller teams. I would hope there aren't many places where "root" > access to a machine is given by hundreds of people. I've spent too much time in "services" organizations a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Dan Foster
Hot Diggety! unix_fan was rumored to have written: > In a large diverse company, there may be other such hard to fill jobs, > like freezing your butt off at a research station in Antarctica or > acceptance tests in the bowels of the Amazon. Hey, I'd like to know who I'd have to bribe (or sleep wi

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