Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-25 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
BTW, here is one of those jobs - Finance, NYC http://regionalhelpwanted.com/Search/detail.cfm?SN=204&ID=30173705&jexp=3 Best, -at ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lopsa.org http://lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the Leag

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-16 Thread Troy Davis
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin < atsaloli.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > >The few respondents who cited salaries greater than >US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses >throughout this document. > > Can anybody shed light on what it takes to get to

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-11 Thread Nathan Hruby
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: > Example of the "Master of all trades" that I have been seeing, since the > economic down turn... > > -- > Location: San Mateo, CA > Area Code: 650 > Tax Term: CON_HIRE_CORP CON_HIRE_IND CON_HIRE_

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-09 Thread Derek J. Balling
On May 6, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Matt Lawrence wrote: > Not me. I'm probably a year or two away from being able to comfortably > uproot myself to go overseas. I have looked a little bit at teaching > English in Japan. It is still an idea, particularly if I buy a boat to > travel on and live aboa

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Pam Ochs wrote: > Getting back to the name question; it would be much easier to call > ourselves something else than to change the common perception of > "system administrator". Thai is a good thought. Any ideas on what titles I should be looking at? > p.s. anyone know of an

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Jesse Trucks wrote: [lots of interesting stuff deleted] > That all being said, the job market is a rude and scary place right now, > so sometimes we can't vote how we like when we like. It certainly is. Sometimes I think I should focus on maximizing my income and not worry

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Pam Ochs
Getting back to the name question; it would be much easier to call ourselves something else than to change the common perception of "system administrator". -Pam p.s. anyone know of any overseas openings? :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lopsa.org ht

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Trey Harris
To follow on from what Jesse said: when I'm being interviewed by a technical person who will be doing work similar to mine, I insist on hearing about an area where the person is currently or was recently frustrated (and if they try to tell me about a purely technical problem they can't figure o

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Jesse Trucks
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 12:35:21AM -0500, Matt Lawrence wrote: > > I keep hearing about these mythical places that are dedicated to > excellence, I just never seem to find any of them. I've worked in places mostly as you've described in the removed part of your post. My current job is extremely

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-06 Thread Jesse Trucks
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 01:11:47PM -0500, Matt Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010, Trey Harris wrote: > > > c) Be "senior", meaning "ten years minimum of hard and accomplished > > technical > > work". > > > > d) Be able to do more than just keyboard work. Be able to take a project > > from c

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-05 Thread Luke S Crawford
Dan Foster writes: > Net equation? Worth it to pay someone a lot to take the risks. I spent some time looking into this a few years back... seeing if I could trade a little risk for a little money. I found plenty of six figure cable monkey gigs in Iraq, but I was making six figures here where

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-05 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
unix_fan wrote: > 5. Travel, part 3 - danger bonus: If work involves travel to a State > Department declared combat zone, there are typically significant > bonuses applied. Hint: the list is small - don't assume that car > bombs, armed conflict, or anti-American demonstrations every Friday > mean t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Dan Foster
Hot Diggety! unix_fan was rumored to have written: > In a large diverse company, there may be other such hard to fill jobs, > like freezing your butt off at a research station in Antarctica or > acceptance tests in the bowels of the Amazon. Hey, I'd like to know who I'd have to bribe (or sleep wi

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Wed, 5 May 2010, Simon Lyall wrote: > The impression I get is that for large organisations you get "platforms" > run by smaller teams. I would hope there aren't many places where "root" > access to a machine is given by hundreds of people. I've spent too much time in "services" organizations a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Simon Lyall
On Wed, 5 May 2010, John Jasen wrote: > Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems > administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of > sufficient size or complexity. The impression I get is that for large organisations you get "platforms" run by small

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Brockway
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Tracy Reed wrote: > How far did/does "generalist" go? Occasionally my boss laments that > I'm not a Windows guy. I'm pretty much Linux/Unix only. I couldn't > help with most Windows problems if I wanted to. Is the generalist > sysadmin supposed to know all OSs? Perhaps I too ha

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread unix_fan
(man, yahoo email is sucking lately ... I have to manually reformat ) Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, in > "Statistical Exclusions": >The few respondents who cited salaries greater than US$200,000 are > excluded

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tracy Reed
On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 12:00:17AM -0400, John Jasen spake thusly: > Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems > administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of > sufficient size or complexity. How far did/does "generalist" go? Occasionally my boss la

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread John Jasen
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think the age of the generalist systems administrator is pretty much dead, at least in organizations of sufficient size or complexity. Of course, having degraded from a generalist systems admin to a security admin might have biased that opinion. Tracy Reed wrote:

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tracy Reed
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 03:40:09PM -0400, Robert Brockway spake thusly: > Compare system administrator and network administrator. As far as I'm > concerned any senior sysadmin better be a networking guru but I've found > quite a wide variety of opinions on this topic, even among sysadmins. They

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matthew Barr
On May 4, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Robert Brockway wrote: > > I only noticed this fairly recently although I suspect it has been brewing > for a while. What is now called a "technical architect" I might call a > SAGE Level IV sysadmin. Agreed. Sysadmin only goes so high, in some companies. > C

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread John BORIS
I agree about job descriptions not being what the job entails and that is where organizations like LOPSA have to be on the forefront to have these descriptions to keep the profession (not job) from becoming diluted. In my prior life as a Maintenance Machinist with the US Mint I watched how the Gove

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Brodie, Kent
> This has been discussed on SAGE-AU recently. I'm not quite sure what do > to about - try to get the message out there and reclaim the term sysadmin > or accept that it now has a narrow meaning and find another term. I would say this is where we want to go - and what we as LOPSA members should

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Brockway
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Doug Hughes wrote: > I'm sorry (or happy?) but you're wrong. Seems like you're in a bad > position. There are others available. It seems to me that many positions that require more than just technical work now carry titles other than sysadmin. I think there is a real confli

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Doug Hughes
Matt Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 2010, Trey Harris wrote: > > >> c) Be "senior", meaning "ten years minimum of hard and accomplished >> technical >> work". >> >> d) Be able to do more than just keyboard work. Be able to take a project >> from conception to completion and not blink when t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Tom Limoncelli
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Matt Lawrence wrote: > It has been my observation that this sort of advancement is no longer > available to systems administrators.  Sysadmin work is now considered low > level technical work and any sort of project management is now done by > technically illiterate

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Trey Harris
In a message dated Tue, 4 May 2010, Aleksey Tsalolikhin writes: Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, in "Statistical Exclusions": The few respondents who cited salaries greater than US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses throughou

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Trey Harris wrote: > c) Be "senior", meaning "ten years minimum of hard and accomplished technical > work". > > d) Be able to do more than just keyboard work. Be able to take a project > from conception to completion and not blink when the job requires project > management,

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Atom Powers
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi.  The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, > in "Statistical Exclusions": > >        The few respondents who cited salaries greater than >        US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses >        thro

Re: [lopsa-discuss] SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey and salaries over $200, 000

2010-05-04 Thread Doug Hughes
Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote: > Hi. The SAGE Sysadmin Salary Survey reports for 2006 and 2005 state, > in "Statistical Exclusions": > > The few respondents who cited salaries greater than > US$200,000 are excluded from most of the analyses > throughout this document. > > Can a