Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-06-04 Thread Stefano Mosconi
My concern was that once the case arises (and IMHO 'doing something' was definitely an option) we can't just make up rules to fit the situation. People need to know in advance both what the guidelines are and what the response will be. Agree with this. However it is possible that as this comm

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-28 Thread Luca Donaggio
+1 On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > It's not massive change to write up a guideline - the guideline does not > even need to address what *can* be discussed, but it can address what > *can't* be discussed, or what tone you need to maintain. > > It doesn't need a process

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-28 Thread Andrea Bernabei
+1 to Ville's post 2014-05-28 13:11 GMT+02:00 Ville M. Vainio : > It's not massive change to write up a guideline - the guideline does not > even need to address what *can* be discussed, but it can address what > *can't* be discussed, or what tone you need to maintain. > > It doesn't need a proc

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-28 Thread Ville M. Vainio
It's not massive change to write up a guideline - the guideline does not even need to address what *can* be discussed, but it can address what *can't* be discussed, or what tone you need to maintain. It doesn't need a process or anything, just write it up and assume people will adhere to it (and d

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-27 Thread David Greaves
On 27/05/14 18:54, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: > Hi Stefano > > Sorry If I distracted the line of argument with the forum vs. ML vs. TJC > thing... > > To directly answer your / David's question: I have been in the ML since pretty > early on, and I have never felt "oh I wish this list was

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-27 Thread christopher . lamb
Hi Stefano Sorry If I distracted the line of argument with the forum vs. ML vs. TJC thing... To directly answer your / David's question: I have been in the ML since pretty early on, and I have never felt "oh I wish this list was moderated, get me out of here ...". Indeed I have welcomed t

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-27 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2014-05-27 9:57 GMT+03:00 Stefano Mosconi : > Just to try to steer the boat back on the original journey this the question > that David was asking at the beginning: > > On 22/05/14 17:18, David Greaves wrote: >> We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is such a >> thing as

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-27 Thread Denis Zalevskiy
On Tuesday 27 May 2014 09:57:26 Stefano Mosconi wrote: > It seems that the original topic was a bit forgotten in favor of the forum > vs. ML vs. TJC (which is a good and intersting topic but no matter what > tool we use we will have to go back to the main question). > > Just to try to steer the bo

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-26 Thread Stefano Mosconi
It seems that the original topic was a bit forgotten in favor of the forum vs. ML vs. TJC (which is a good and intersting topic but no matter what tool we use we will have to go back to the main question). Just to try to steer the boat back on the original journey this the question that David

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Jarko Vihriala
Ham, pineapple and aura cheese. Forever. And lots of garlic. On the topic. I prefer ml,but it's archive should have indexer. On Sat May 24 2014 21:55:18 GMT+0300 (EEST), Goulagman wrote: > Hi, > > > As per the tools I think the tools are not so relevant as long as the > community finds its wa

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Tone Kastlunger
Pizza with Pineapple - abomination that tops even Kalakukko! On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Thomas Tanghus wrote: > On Saturday 24 May 2014 21:30 Stefano Mosconi wrote: > > >> PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific > > >> issues > > >> out of it. > > > > > > I th

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Saturday 24 May 2014 21:30 Stefano Mosconi wrote: > >> PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific > >> issues > >> out of it. > > > > I think grievances about the community or Jolla should be allowed to a > > certain degree. Non-relevant personal attacks and/or trolling

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Goulagman
Hi, As per the tools I think the tools are not so relevant as long as the > community finds its way to discuss. Personally I don't love forums but that > is only my preference, as I don't like pizza with pineapple. > I think it's becoming too personal here. As a fervent defender of pizzas with pi

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Stefano Mosconi
On 24/05/2014 16:25, Thomas Tanghus wrote: On Thursday 22 May 2014 15:18 David Greaves wrote: There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some people have felt they don't want to participate. We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is such a thing as und

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Saturday 24 May 2014 15:25 Thomas Tanghus wrote: > > PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific issues > > out of it. I forgot to mention that I much prefer a mailing list instead of a forum. -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Thomas Tanghus ___

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Lady Karin
Unsubscribe Thomas Tanghus schrieb am 15:25 Samstag, 24.Mai 2014: On Thursday 22 May 2014 15:18 David Greaves wrote: > There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some people > have felt they don't want to participate. > > We need to be careful about over-policing discussi

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-24 Thread Thomas Tanghus
On Thursday 22 May 2014 15:18 David Greaves wrote: > There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some people > have felt they don't want to participate. > > We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is such a > thing as under-policing too. > > How would we (

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Iekku Pylkka
r, Iekku Pylkkä From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Martin Kolman [martin.kol...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:39 PM To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelin

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Martin Kolman
s.org] on behalf of Ville M. Vainio [vivai...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 9:45 PM To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide Some of the discussions here have been borderline illegal; discouraging such behavior even with absence of

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread christopher . lamb
lfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Ville M. Vainio [vivai...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 9:45 PM To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide Some of the discussions here have been borderline illegal; discou

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Jarko Vihriala
org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Ville M. Vainio [vivai...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:01 PM To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide I don't think splitting is the solution, as opposed to draw

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Ville M. Vainio
ep the technological part alive. > > thanks, Jarko > > -- > *From:* devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [ > devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Ville M. Vainio [ > vivai...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 9:45 PM > *To:* Sailfish OS Developers > *Subjec

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Jarko Vihriala
M. Vainio [vivai...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 9:45 PM To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide Some of the discussions here have been borderline illegal; discouraging such behavior even with absence of 'technical' m

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-23 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Some of the discussions here have been borderline illegal; discouraging such behavior even with absence of 'technical' moderator tools (like you have even on barbaric environments like phpbb) is not necessarily a bad idea. On May 22, 2014 5:53 PM, wrote: > Seconded. I could not have put it bette

Re: [SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-22 Thread christopher . lamb
Seconded. I could not have put it better myself. Since the early days I have enjoyed the very open nature of this forum where pretty much anything goes that is vaguely Jolla / Qt / Open Source / technical. From my recollection the number of threads that struck me as "definitely better els

[SailfishDevel] Acceptable Behaviour Guidelines - you decide

2014-05-22 Thread David Greaves
There's been enough noise on this mailing list recently that some people have felt they don't want to participate. We need to be careful about over-policing discussions but there is such a thing as under-policing too. How would we (community, not Jolla) determine the line? and what measures do we