Pizza with Pineapple - abomination that tops even Kalakukko!
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Thomas Tanghus <tho...@tanghus.net> wrote: > On Saturday 24 May 2014 21:30 Stefano Mosconi wrote: > > >> PS This thread is for generic guidelines - please keep any specific > > >> issues > > >> out of it. > > > > > > I think grievances about the community or Jolla should be allowed to a > > > certain degree. Non-relevant personal attacks and/or trolling should > not > > > be allowed though. > > > > Hi, > > > > I believe that when there is something wrong (anywhere in the world) > > it's good to point that out and discuss it as much as possible. Only by > > analyzing what went wrong and how it could have gone better we (as human > > beings, community, companies) can improve. > > > > Discussing means (to me) trying to understand the facts, the emotions, > > and the assumptions on how it should have been and then find a way > > forward. Discussion implies an exchange of information (so it's not a "I > > talk when you are done talking" but a "I listen while you talk and then > > I will talk back on the same topic (but stay with me please)"). > > > > Personal attacks or trolling are of course not constructive discussion > > and usually just because personal attacks and trolling are not a > > discussion at all (you need at least 2 to tango). > > Goes without saying. > > > > These things won't happen often - if they do there is something wrong > that > > > should solved instead. Communication is vital for a community to > survive. > > > > And when they happen they are halting the whole community for a long > > amount of time and focusing the eyes of the community on that. > > The community gets halted even longer without proper communication, > meanwhile > drying out a barely budding ecosystem - did that nature analogy go too > far? ;) > > From the recent event - after reading endless emails, tweets, IRC logs > etc. - > I can only deduct, based on what was revealed, that it was personal issues. > Still I don't think Jolla has handled it very well. > Let me give you an example of dealing with such matters. I am aware that > you > don't have the resources to be as thorough, but you should - must - have > the > resources to be as open (github may have their flaws, but non-disclosure > doesn't seem to be one of them): > > https://github.com/blog/1826-follow-up-to-the-investigation-results > > > I refrain from proposing (even without a Jolla hat) how I would > > generally handle trolling. I let you guys figure it out, it's a pretty > > well known problem with well known solutions tested for centuries. > > As I am very new in this community I don't even know if this ml has a > moderator, but obviously there should be one. In general moderation should > be > off, and only turned on when really needed. > In such situations it is not an easy and often not appreciated role to > have. > It should preferably be a well-trusted and of course non-partisan community > member, but in a community with a commercial backing such a person is even > harder to find. > > > As per the tools I think the tools are not so relevant as long as the > > community finds its way to discuss. Personally I don't love forums but > > that is only my preference, as I don't like pizza with pineapple. > > I loathe both of them ;) > > -- > Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards > > Thomas Tanghus > _______________________________________________ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to > devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org >
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