Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

matter of > course providing feedback. I usually do not know who uses my packages except for me. And I am also not interested to track for each of my packages who uses it and on which Fedora release. This is something that can be done centrally if desired. Also one would need to know at lea

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

roblematic updates, e.g. by warning that the dependencies or provides of an update changed when the update is created. Regards Till pgpz8opfnZ2go.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

's machine or the maintainers might use local mock builds instead of the actual update. Off course I do not know, whether any of these possible pitfalls have been hit in the past. Regards Till pgpQGZ93iVbzO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:57:40AM +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > sön 2010-11-21 klockan 11:00 +0100 skrev Till Maas: > > > I guess this can be somehow automated. E.g. change Bodhi to drop the > > karma requirements for packages that had e.g. two subsequent updates >

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 09:59:42PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:35:31 +0100, > Till Maas wrote: > > > > IMHO it is pretty unlikely that people use updates-testing but do not > > care about posting feedback to Bodhi. > > I usually not

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

. a remote code execution vulnerability. And the worst update is afaik that people had to use the command line to update instead of being able to use packagekit or kpackagekit. Regards Till pgp0acY83pfr3.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

lso happens with initial critical path packages, e.g. afaics system-config-keyboard cannot be used in Fedora 14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=646041 (If it can be use, please tell me how.) Regards Till pgpz0AHFsGEU9.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.f

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:43:21AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 19:29 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 02:09:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > I do. I don't believe all maintainers do. It's pretty hard

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17)

did not work at all, because it required an X server. The bug was already reported and fixed, but the update only in testing. Regards Till pgp6ha9vsbZl4.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

at's just a suggestion. Afaik there is currently no distinction between the requirement for non crit-path updates and the karma autopush level. Therefore by default non critpath updates require +3 karma, unless this has been changed since the beginning for the update criteria enforcement.

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:33:35PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 11/22/10 1:50 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:02:49PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > >> On 11/22/2010 11:56 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >>> It was my understanding of readi

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

. Afaik there is no need for a maintainer to set different acceptance thresholds for his updates. At least nobody ever explained to me why this would be helpful. Regards Till pgpcaHpugZR52.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:06:33PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Till Maas wrote: > > Afaik there is no need for a maintainer to set different acceptance > > thresholds for his updates. At least nobody ever explained to me why > > this would be helpful. > > * Upgrade

Re: [HEADS-UP] Moving /var/run and /var/lock to tmpfs in Rawhide

needed before /var is mounted. Regards Till pgplL0HZgkAqX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [HEADS-UP] Moving /var/run and /var/lock to tmpfs in Rawhide

is booted? But then after installing an package that requires files to be created by tmpfiles.d the system needs to be rebooted before it can be used. Or will rpm call something that parses the appropriate tmpfiles.d file when the package is installed / updated? Regards Till pgp7lPygRktty.pgp Descripti

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

ring a release, when I have to update to a new Fedora release, bugs tend to come back. But to prevent this I would like to have automatic tested instead of lots of error prone manual testing. Regards Till pgpZoosXHBRO0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 05:36:58AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 18:15:29 +0100, > Till Maas wrote: > > > > You can very easy report that you have installed some update, used it > > and it did not break. This is afaik enough to justify +1 k

Re: old_testing_critpath notifications

I want to review a package, there are several checklists I could use and there are guidelines that I can easily follow to perform a review. But testing software is not that easy. Also it is not possible to partly test updates and share the effort. E.g. in reviews everyone can comment to get the pack

Re: Is there any value to per-Fedora branch ACLs?

nt Fedora releases are up to date in PackageDB. And there should still be a distinction in PackageDB for different (co)maintainer for different Fedora releases. Regards Till pgpNqLQFLOAXj.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedora

Re: Firewall

ple know the credentials, why don't they know where to enter them? Regards Till pgpwzUVdAMtIV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora default services (was: Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services)

mail many years ago; why hasn't it been done for > other things, such as rpcbind (and RPC services), cups, etc.? These > daemons should bind to localhost only unless otherwise configured. Afaik ntpd, sobby and software written in erlang (e.g. ejabberd) does not support this (complete

Re: Is there any value to per-Fedora branch ACLs?

On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 01:55:26PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 12/07/2010 11:52 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 10:20:28AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > >> While I'm looking into the git setup and ACLs and all this, I have a > >> question. >

Re: Python Packages + Multiple Sources

mmended to have a separate tarbal like > 'cement-all-0.8.12.tar.gz' which would include all parts of the project, and > use that as Source0? I do not see any additional value for Fedora when doing this. Regards Till > [4] > http://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

eges as when he got a shell access to the host directly. Regards Till pgp8FYyQg4Y6e.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /etc/mtab

b. Regards Till pgpKLb6jpxQ4s.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [HEADS-UP] util-linux[-ng] and mtab

n /proc/mounts? Regards Till pgppGRYpkAkGV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [HEADS-UP] util-linux[-ng] and mtab

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 09:31:27PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 08:29:16PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 07:02:21PM +0100, Karel Zak wrote: > > > > > Note, it's possible that NFS umount/remount will not work in some

Re: Security incident on Fedora infrastructure on 23 Jan 2011

handled, but he also might have had push access to the comps repo on fedorahosted. Additionally it would be nice to investigate whether the account was used to access the test machine resources for package maintainers: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Main

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

tion, too. Regards Till pgpByer6izyzd.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 07:53:33PM -0300, Domingo Becker wrote: > 2011/2/19 Till Maas : > > You can try this to install rpms from the local directory: > > yum --disablerepo=\* install ./*.rpm > The command I always use is > > yum install --nogpg my-own.rpm another.rpm &

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 04:26:55PM +0100, Dominic Hopf wrote: > yum localinstall file.rpm install does the same as localinstall nowadays when a filename is given as a parameter afaik. Regards Till pgp06flTaBo6h.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list de

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

h files to serve? Regards Till pgpqv900dTR3o.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

x27;t be enabled. It is pretty easy to notice that a wanted service does not run compared to notice that an unwanted/unused service suddenly runs, because an innocent looking package has been installed. This is a trap that is usually set on Debian systems which everyone I know who uses Debian dislike

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:32:44PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:59:33PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:04:26PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > > And once you've got a default set for the default install, why

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:46:06PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:25:44PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > For me essential services are the services that are required to start > > other services. If there are no services required to boot Fedora, log

Re: Access rights for system logs

d sysklogd in RHEL. > > I am not sure whether wheel is the correct group ... I don't think we > should mix together two different things (who can use sudo, who can see > logs). I like a special group just for accounts that should be able to read all log files, too, e.g. a group logr

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

es and unwanted extra services. There could even be a command that suggest to start all the services that are more or less always useful like udev, cpufreq, irqbalance or rsyslog. Regards Till pgpaIjp89t2zV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

ed after the respective package is installed long after the system has been installed. Regards Till pgpgwAbGQBlNl.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:00:20PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:30:34PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > The services that are started when the respective package is installed > > and the services that are enabled by default by the Fedora installer do

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 07:21:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 04:33:56PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:00:20PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 07:30:34PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > &g

Re: Access rights for system logs

require coordinating a bunch of > changes of packages to have the right group ownership of their log > files. It is only required for log files that are not world-readable. And it can be easily implemented for log files that are not readable for any group. Regards Till pgpXg9ITVd9Rb.pgp

Re: Access rights for system logs

y reasons, logcheck should not be run with root permissions, but it still needs access to the log files to process them. Regards Till pgpOwULgkqLZB.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Access rights for system logs

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 08:26:05PM +1030, Glen Turner wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:20 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:30:43PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > Were you thinking of just /var/log/messages? or all log files? > > >

Re: Services that can start by default policy feedback

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 02:03:26PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:13:44PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 07:21:30PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > No, but it does mean that what you're proposing would involve adding

Packaging only a subset of a tool collection

disapprove this in a package review? Or does someone else want to package it? ;-) My current in-progress spec can be found here: http://till.fedorapeople.org/tmp/hxtools.spec Regards Till [0] http://jengelh.medozas.de/projects/hxtools/ pgpDrawgY01YN.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel

Re: Packaging only a subset of a tool collection

be > removed). Luckily these are only perl scripts that call binaries like mpg123, therefore afaics nothing needs to be removed from the tarball. Regards Till pgp3OuMqdndNe.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: Packaging only a subset of a tool collection

e review request I opened is located here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683610 Regards Till pgpwBhfvaGhoF.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Updating SSL keys on fedoraproject.org 2011-03-10

ichungen/Algorithmen/algorithmen_node.html http://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/cae/servlet/contentblob/192414/publicationFile/10008/2011AlgoKatpdf.pdf The relevant pages in the PDF document are pages 3 and 4, especially the table on page 4. Regards Till pgp9ItQ2BKdm5.pgp Description:

Re: Updating SSL keys on fedoraproject.org 2011-03-10

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 08:37:39PM +0100, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:22:55 +0100, Till Maas wrote > > > I assume he meant since Januar 2011. This is at least the official > > statement for Germany: > > > > http://www.bun

Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier Lamien

ing that they have not enough time, so that they orphan their packages. It seems to me that mentioning the non-responsive process is needed to get some attention. Regards Till pgpIrATh7pGZr.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraprojec

Security Bug in aircrack-ng (was: Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier) Lamien

my C-skills are lot less advanced. But maybe someone coding regularly in C can help here. Regards Till pgpfZu6izy4WL.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier Lamien

rt that for rawhide when F13 is > released). The upstream release monitoring tool (formerly fever) is not really used to identify such packages, because there is no process to identify non-uptodate packages like there is a process to identify old FTBS-bugs. Regards Till pgpvBlPxA482O.pgp Des

Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier Lamien

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 09:29:37PM +0530, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > On 15 May 2010 21:07, Till Maas wrote: > > The upstream release monitoring tool (formerly fever) is not really used > > to identify such packages, because there is no process to identify > > non-uptodate pac

Re: rawhide report: 20100517 changes

is is not something one can rely on, because it is perfectly valid to change these files. Regards Till pgp0r0oayzc4n.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-05-27 x86_64

k/plugins/tmpfs.py and add "-o", "size=Xg" to mountCmd to provide X gigabytes of space. Regards Till pgp1eKiLraSfa.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

useful to track and resolve > > this issue. > > I will do. I'll gather up all the bits I have an add it to the ticket. I just created a ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/387 Regards Till pgp8dFxTwjVmE.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

g. And I doubt that python scripts in below /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since yum works without any problems, these tons of errors are useless, too. And they make it only harder to find real errors. I did not think more about the other quoted rpml

Re: Package maintainers -- want test results by mail?

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 10:46:51AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 19:41 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > And I doubt that python scripts in below > > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages usually need to be executable. Since > > yum works without any problems, the

Re: i386-class support changed in F-13?

The bug report was there one week before the announcement of the beta: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579838 Regards Till pgp8Bqijkvw0r.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: -upstart subpackage vs tranditional initscripts

or to FESCo's attention, this whole thing seems not to be as bad as it is said here. Regards Till pgp1NTDurNbRA.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: bodhi statistics

as released, since F(N+1) was released. Maybe also the number of karma submitters that submitted at least X comments for each week the release is available. This would imho allow more precise to estimate how many active testers are there. Regards Till pgp1oy9tUDVfk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: dist-git project update

have to > git clone every time I need to do that. I guess you are confusing using "git clone via http" with a web interface to access the repository contents like gitweb. I am pretty sure the web interface will be there anyhow. Nevertheless imho both should only be accessible via https

Re: sudo-1.7.2p6-2.fc13

ording to the Bodhi web interface it is a security update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sudo-1.7.2p6-2.fc13 If it is not in some other interface, it usually helps to specify where it is not. Regards Till pgpDz13VImGcx.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: How to unorphan/unretire a package?

pleted (it has been re-reviewed), but even after a CVS admin and rel-eng have been informed and some technical steps have been performed, nobody really knows what has to happen to get it transfered to the new owner for the devel branch and un-deprecated. The review request is here: https://bugzilla.re

Seeking new maintainer for lzip

, I'll orphan it. Regards Till pgp51UZEitJ8x.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Seeking new maintainer for lzip

, orphan and I'll take it. Thank you, it is orphaned. Regards Till pgpGvuf28aOgF.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: How to lure me to updates-testing

Actually bodhi -T seems not to require a Fedora account / cert anymore. \o/ And for fedora-easy-karma or karma submission in general, only an account and the password is required. Regards Till pgp27E65hASMk.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedor

Re: How to lure me to updates-testing

s enabled, yum --enablerepo \*-testing might be a even better choice, e.g. to avoid dependency problems with gstreamer plugins from rpmfusion. Regards Till pgpXHWuTj9KH2.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

t; options to list only critpath updates, or only critpath updates which do > not yet have sufficient feedback; I'm talking to Till about this now. Just to make sure, that this is not overseen. fedora-easy-karma will only list the critpath updates that are currently installed, not the one that are

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

last Bodhi statistics showed 595 unique karma submitters for F13 and there seem to be 1035 approved packagers currently in Fedora. So if only packagers submitted karma, it would be the majority. But since there are a lotsmore users and also dedicated testers for Fedora, it does not look like

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 12:31:06AM -0400, James Antill wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 00:20 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:50:53PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > You can already view all pending critpath updates in Bodhi's web > > > i

Seeking new maintainer for iasl

better off with someone who knows more about it, because there are still new releases made for it afaics. So if someone uses this package, please tell me and I will orphan it: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/iasl Regards Till pgppbS4yfAkxL.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel

Re: Seeking new maintainer for iasl

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:52:29AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 12:49:27PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > Hi, > > > > a long time ago I packaged iasl, because it is a BR for VirtualBox. I > > even received once a bug report for it,

Re: Seeking new maintainer for iasl

f it steps up. Thank you, I just released ownership: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/iasl Regards Till pgpvjIlMyBwsY.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 02:13:59PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 7/1/10 2:48 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > How do you know who is a minority and who is not? I still wonder why > > there are so many claims that the majority of Fedora maintainers or > > users want to manually

Re: who is Petr Pisar from redhat ?

d starting a rebuild takes about the same time to read and write a mail. Regards Till pgpHVrjtcSqVR.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 03:13:55PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 7/1/10 2:55 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > But I guess somehow it boils down to > > "the majority wants that other people to work for them", which might > > even be true. But in a FOSS community I doubt i

Re: who is Petr Pisar from redhat ?

e members would like to maintain alone without all the bureaucracy of acking changes to the package by the bad-responsive package maintainer or a package watch list might be another idea to watch these kind of packages. Regards Till pgpJvaUR1J8hT.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: measuring success

will be a broken dependency. I know that the fix is to bundle the builds of both updates into one, but how is this tested? Regards Till pgpvMFOwX1aJA.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

they are about the "important packages", which is a subset of critical path. And the policy says that it is not yet live. Regards Till [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_acceptance_criteria pgpKwhwwnCu8m.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:48:43PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:27:27 +0200 > Till Maas wrote: > >Also they are about the "important packages", > > which is a subset of critical path. > > Superset. :) In any case, the items mentioned th

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

to stable once someone else gives +1 or will a +1 from the update submitter also push the update to stable? Regards Till pgpYW0jnv55eI.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: measuring success

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 06:31:35AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 07/02/2010 08:12 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > > Btw. on a related issue:How do provenpackagers properly test for broken > > deps manually? > Like ordinary packagers should do ;) > > The only difference

Re: concept of package "ownership"

on that now. Most of the packages listed here are not up to date: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&query_format=advanced&bug_status=ASSIGNED&email1=upstream-release-monitoring%40fedoraproject.org&product=Fedora Regards Till pgpIMNkrEmu

Re: measuring success

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:27:50PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:12:26 +0200, Till wrote: > > > Btw. on a related issue:How do provenpackagers properly test for broken > > deps manually? > > Every packager can [configure and] run repoclosure

Re: measuring success

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 01:03:41PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:50:15 +0200, Till wrote: > > > This is not true, because there can be runtime dependencies on another > > update in -testing that is not build dependency, e.g. if an python app > >

Re: measuring success

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 01:03:41PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:50:15 +0200, Till wrote: > > Also Bodhi does not allow to [...] > > Bodhi ought to meet the package maintainers' requirements, not vice versa. > If you determine a problem with the

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 10:33:04PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:48:43PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > I have updated the page. > > > > Does it look clear now? Re-wording or tweaks very welcome. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

t; options to list only critpath updates, or only critpath updates which do > not yet have sufficient feedback; I'm talking to Till about this now. If anyone wants to use this feature, download http://fedorapeople.org/gitweb?p=till/public_git/fedora-easy-karma.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora-easy-kar

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

ording to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal#When_and_how_to_determine_packages_within_the_path :-/ I objected to this on the Talk page, so hopefully this will change. Regards Till pgpTEpOvaaibt.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list

Re: Requires --> BuildRequires (was: Re: measuring success)

lly is considered to be a benefit. Regards Till pgpIvW0sBt3DB.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:34:59PM +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 01:32:16AM +0200, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > > >> Could a flag be added to only output the package names, so

Re: measuring success [was Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release]

gt; ghc-time-doc-1.1.2.4-2.fc12.x86_64 requires ghc-doc = 0:6.10.4 > ghc-time-prof-1.1.2.4-2.fc12.x86_64 requires ghc-prof = 0:6.10.4 Yum does not report any problem here when I try to install ghc-time-devel and ghc has the matching version: 6.10.4-2.fc12 Regards Till pgpdUR0Nn

Re: measuring success [was Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:06:08PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:32:14 +0200, Till wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:31:57PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Broken deps in Fedora 13 + updates + updates-testing when > > > also

Re: measuring success [was Re: Bodhi 0.7.5 release]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:47:19PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:40:20 +0200, Till wrote: > > > > It's fairly easy to verify other broken deps, too: > > > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/compat-db-4.7.25-3.fc13 > > > >

Re: Non responsive maintainer: cheese ?

sive_package_maintainers#Fast_Track_procedure Afaics there have been several tries to contact him already: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585817#c4 But it would be better to collect all these contact attempts in the FESCo ticket. Regards Till pgpc52HaUyM3g.pgp Descriptio

Re: CVS connection time-outs

> > Saturday (EET) > > Thanks for the info. I have to say that under the current conditions, > the common/cvs-import.sh script is unusable. The Fedora Infrastructure issue tracker can be accessed here to report a problem: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure Regards Till p

Re: Non responsive maintainer: cheese ?

better to ask for help here even on a shorter vacation. Also there is a wiki page to document absence: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation Regards Till pgpzbEBQ03z1O.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically?

n responsive maintainer process is followed. Regards Till pgp0MpQEZeurp.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-07-06 at 19:30UTC)

at will be discussed in the next meeting? Then there could be a report about all meeting items that are not a next_meeting item but have not been touched for e.g. 2 weeks to easier spot items that are unhandled. Regards Till [0] https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/370 pgpoqrQnOvC8G.pgp Description:

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